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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: princess41 on Sunday 25 September 11 12:48 BST (UK)
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My brother and I have spent decades doing family research and am trying to get information on the Ferguson's family from Newton, Limavady.
My great grand father was Edward Augustus Ferguson born in Newton, Limavady 4.9.1938. He lived in Catherine Street and later came to Australia and marries Elizabeth Blackburn whose family came from Ballinrobe, Mayo.
His father was William King Ferguson who married Ellen Jane Osborne of Balteagh (Terrydremont) year unknown. Death date unknown. Occupation was a hatter. William King was born in 1804 (?) in Antrim.
Also his father was William King Ferguson who married Hanna Wilson on 3.12.1793 in either Knockbreda or Antrim (?) Belfast. He is buried in the graveyard at the Church of Ireland Drumachose 28.9.1839 aged 76. Hanna also buried there 26.3.1830. She was born 28.2.1777 at Mayo, Crossmolina.
My brother says some of these names ring a bell.
Can anyone throw any links on the above information.
Thanks
Princess from Australia
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Hi,
17 Nov 1837 William H Ferguson married Ellenor Osborne in Bovevagh Presbyterian Church, Newtownlinavady (nowadays officially known as Limavady)
Regards
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Thanks Kingskerswell.
On the birth certificate of Edward Augustus Ferguson it shows his Mother was Ellen Jane Osborne. It is also on the marriage certificate for Edward Augustus Ferguson & Elizabeth Blackburn.
I think it is another William Ferguson & Ellenor Osborne is probably different to Ellen Jane Osborne.
Can anyone help us with this William King Ferguson & Ellen Jane Osborne and also William's father?
We are trying to trace the Ferguson family back. Does anyone know if there may be any brothers or sisters?We have been researching for 3 decades so would love some help.
Thanks
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Ellen/Helen/Eleanor are all variations of the same name so it's more than likely the 1837 marriage is correct.
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Hi,
There is a large one-name study of Fergusons in Co. Londonderry in Rootsweb. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~colin/FergusonsOfIreland/Derry.htm
Regards
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Thanks for your help so far. There is a bit there for us to read over. I noticed there was a William King & Ellen Jane Ferguson who had a son Edward Augustus. I could not see any other children listed from that marriage.
Regards
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Spent all day today in our National Archives in Canberra, Australia looking for leads on our family history in Irish & Australian records. We found nothing. Was told that a lot of Irish records were destroyed in a fire in 1922 and we may never find anymore information. Is this right?
Could you please tell me where you found a record for a wedding between William H Ferguson & Ellenor Osborne? These are slight variations to what we were looking for so how do we know if they could be our ancestors? We can find no record of Edward Augustus Ferguson ever coming to Australia.
Cheers and thanks for any help that anyone can provide.
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Hi,
Yes, thousands of Irish records were lost in 1922 during the Civil War. They were stored in a strong room of a building known as the Four Courts and this was shelled by pro government forces and the cause of the fire is disputed. Some say that anti-government forces had stored ammunition there and it exploded,causing the fire and others say it was as a direct result of the shelling. Either way about a thousand years of Irish records were destroyed.
Regards
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No civil birth/death/marriage records were destroyed and the church records that were destroyed were Church or Ireland ones which had been sent to Dublin for safekeeping. Some pre-1901 census records were pulped by government order earlier.
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Princess41,
My great great grandmother was Jane Cunningham (nee Ferguson). Jane was born at Gortnessy in 1829 and married Samuel Cunningham at Gortnessy Meeting House, Glendermott on 17 Feb 1847. She died in 1893.
Jane was the daughter of Daniel (1789-1862) and Hannah Ferguson (as far as I know nee Hassan but I am not certain of that). They married about 1809 or 1810 I think. Daniel was born in Argyll, Scotland in 1789, and died in 1862. Hannah was born, possibly in Wales, in 1792 and died in 1870, but again I am not 100% certain that I have the correct Hannah.
Does this sound like one of your Fergusons?
Cheers,
Terry
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canberraterry
I don't think there are any links with the details you have provided. Keep searching and good luck.
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My OSBORNE'S are from Newtownlimavady, Altmover, Dungiven and Bovevagh Parish, Londonderry.
This would have to be a match. But I don't know how.
William H. Ferguson married Ellenor Osborne on 17 Nov 1837 at Bovevagh Presbyterian Church, Newtownlinavady (nowadays officially known as Limavady)
Who are the parents of Helen-Ellen-Elenor Osborne?
In my research it looks like she would/could be the daughter of William Osborne and Martha Ledlie?
George Speer
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RE FERGUSON & OSBORNE FAMILIES (LIMAVADY, DRUMACHOSE, LONDONDERRY)
WILLIAM -WILLIAM KING FERGUSON & ELLEN-ELLEN JANE-HELEN-ELLENOR OSBORNE. (VARIATIONS)
MY GREAT GRANDFATHER EDWARD AUGUSTUS FERGUSON (BORN Drumachose 4.9.1838)
Greetings from Australia George.
Thank you for your enquiry. I am very interested.
The Irish research has been very difficult. It would be wonderful if we could find a link to the Ferguson, Osborne families. I will tell you what I have and hope you or someone in Ireland can do some work on this and help both of us out. My Brother & I have been on this for 35 years. It is very, very difficult in Australia and we have sought help many years ago but it led nowhere.
I have a recorded birth for Edward Augustus Ferguson (4.9.1838) stating his Father was William King Ferguson and his Mother was Ellen Jane (nee Osborne.) The birth was in Drumachose, Londonderry, Nth. Ireland. (Taken from the Established Church, which is Church of England, sometimes known as Church of Ireland of the Drumachose Parish Records.)
The Marriage Certificate for Edward Augustus Ferguson ( 2.10.1867, Maryborough, Queensland, Australia) states his Father was William Ferguson and his Mother Ellen Osborne. It states his birthplace was Newton, Limavady, Derry, Ireland. William's Profession was a Hatter.
The Death Certificate for Edward Augustus Ferguson (20.5.1918 Dunwich Benevolent Asylum, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia) states his Father is William Ferguson and his Mother is Ellen Osborne. It states he was born in Londonderry.
OTHER INFORMATION which may help. I think there could be a link to William King Ferguson living at 63 Catherine Street, Newton, Limavady. This appeared in one the Census.
This is not certain because we don't have proof but it could be that Ellen Jane Osborne may have been the second wife of William King Ferguson. Did she marry someone who had a previous marriage?
We do not have a marriage certificate for Ellen Osborne & William Ferguson. We do not know when she died. We do not have death certificates. We do not have birth records for Ellen Osborne or William King. However, in the graveyard at Drumachose, Limavady there is a William King buried 28.9.1839 aged 76 years. If you have a record of Ellen or (whatever her proper Christian name is), when was she born?
The past family says that Edward Augustus Ferguson came to Australia some time in the 1850's with his Grandma and we think if that is correct it would have to be the Mother of Ellen Osborne. They were supposed to go to the State of Victoria, Australia to work in the family business. Do you know if that ties in with your family history? Are you aware of any Osborne's in your family who moved to Australia? The earliest record I can find of Edward in Australia is about 1861/1862 in Queensland. I cannot find his Immigration record. Help, help, help. I know lots about him in Queensland.
It would be absolutely fantastic Gerry if after all these decades we can get a breakthrough.
If anyone out there can help, please, it would be very much appreciated.
Princess
Glenys
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Hi,
The only records you will find for your ancestors are those available in church records where these exist. Civil registration of Protestant marriages did not start in Ireland until 1845 (Catholic marriages in 1864) and all birth registration in 1864 so these dates are the start of marriage and birth certificates.
Regards
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There seems to be a bit of confusion about the church "Taken from the Established Church, which is Church of England, sometimes known as Church of Ireland of the Drumachose Parish Records"
Christ Church, Limavady is Church of Ireland and was at one time the Established (i.e. State) Church (Church of England is in England) and the old name for Limavady was Newtownlimavady. Drumachose is the name of the Parish not to be confused with Drumachose Presbyterian Church or the old Drumachose burying-ground outside of Limavady.
http://ireland.anglican.org/information/dioceses/parish/11280
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11287317@N04/2725799569/
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Could this possibley be Edward's father?
From the Coleraine Chronicle.
30-Mar-67
'At Ipswich, Queensland, on the 24th December last, William Ferguson, formerly of Newtownlimavady, county of Londonderry, aged 60 years.'
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There are many William Ferguson's. I don't know the birth date of our William Ferguson who married Ellen or Elleanor Osborne yet.
I have very much appreciated the last three emails because it helped me understand many things like names of places and the church set up so thank you for that.
Princess
Glenys
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I cant find a match for your William Ferguson who married Ellen or Elleanor Osborne.
Does your Ferguson Family marry into the Ledlie Family?
George Speer
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No. I have never heard of Speer or Ledlie in our research. Thank you.
Glenys
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In the same time period The Ferguson Family married into the Ledlie and Clark Family of Maghera, Co. Londonderry
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Do you know if any of them came to Australia?
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My Name is Matthew Ferguson and the posting from Princess41 and Terry make ref to Cunningham. Wm. Matthew Ferguson 1873-1915 married Mgt. Cunningham 1875-1948 in Limavady 1895. William and Margaret are my Great Grandparents. Do you think you have a connection their?
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Hi
I am Princess 41. I don't believe I have a connection with the Cunningham's. I wish I could find my Irish Roots.
All I know is my Great Grandfather Edward Augustus Ferguson born 3 September 1838 in Drumachose came to Australia some time in the 1850's early 1860's. He died 20 May 1918 in Dunwich, Queensland Australia.
His Father was William King Ferguson and on Edward's marriage certificate it states his father was a hatter & his Mother Ellen Jane (nee Osborne).
I had heard Edward lived in 63 Catherine Street, Limavady. Does anyone in that part of Ireland know this address or any history of the Ferguson's at that address? What about the history of the house? If anyone knows where he is buried could they please send me records of his death or information regarding the grave. And what about Ellen Jane Osborne, does anybody know anything of her family. Is anyone related to them through sisters and brothers.
Come on you good Irish folk. I just know that you would love to help and brighten up the day of an Aussie down under. You are great, generous people.
Many, many thanks.
Glenys
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"I had heard Edward lived in 63 Catherine Street, Limavady. Does anyone in that part of Ireland know this address ..."
You can find the address quite easily on sites like Google Maps. If you drag the little orange man on left side of screen onto the map you will see what it looks like now.
The original name for the town was Newtownlimavady (changed to Limavady in late 1800s).
If you read through this thread from the start you will see that some of your questions have already been answered.
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Kingskerswell
You made reference on 25 Sept 2011 about the marriage of William King Ferguson to Ellenor Osborne. Does the record you have list any of their Parents or Sister or Brothers?
As always, I thank you for your help.
Glenys
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Does the record you have list any of their Parents or Sister or Brothers?
17 Nov 1837 William H Ferguson married Ellenor Osborne in Bovevagh Presbyterian Church, Newtownlinavady (nowadays officially known as Limavady)
Post registration (1845/1864) marriages will list fathers' names not mothers of other relatives (unless they were one of the 2 witnesses- but relationships of witnesses are not stated).
Early marriages- such as the 1837 one above- usually only show date, bride and groom and witnesses.
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If you have access to the listing, can you see if any witnesses are listed?
Thank you again.
Glenys
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You need to check the church records to see if any witnesses are listed.
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Thank you for that advice. A good reason to take a holiday in Ireland. I can do family research and the other half can golf. That's fair, don't you agree?
Glenys
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Hi Glenys,
Sorry, my source only gives the date, names of the bride and groom and the name of the church.
Regards
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Hi,
I am not sure if you have seen the 1831 census returns for Co Londonderry. You can access them at the link below.
http://www.billmacafee.com/1831census.htm
A lot of Ferguson families!!
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Hello Glenys, yes * and still alive and William Ferguson born in Limavady in 1865 and died in Charters Towers in 1938.
Matthew.
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Thank you for the link to the census. I can see it confirms that William King Ferguson was in Catherine Street and I believe number 63. It lists 2 families. How could I find out who the other family was?
I am curious as to why William's middle name is 'King'. Is this common because I have not seen it as a second Christian name for anyone else before?
Glenys
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Hi Glenys,
A little more information from 1831 Census for Wm King Ferguson.
Unfortunately you will not be able to find the name of the other family. The only information available is that there were 4 males, 2 females and 1 female servant living at No.63 Catherine Street. All 7 were members of the established church.
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Thank you Cyclamen for that information. You say they were members of the Established Church. Living in Limavady, would the church they attended be the Christ Church? Does it still exist? What is the likely graveyard William King Ferguson would be buried at?
If I wanted to check the church records for that church would I do that at that church now or would I have to go to some other place in Ireland?
Glenys
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Hi,
Yes, Christchurch in Limavady still exists and it has a large graveyard with many old graves. The parish registers are available in Proni and in Coleraine library on microfilm. This is not of much use to you so in the coming week I will have a "dander" around the graveyard to see if I can find anything.
Regards
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The Ulster Historical Society sent my brother a letter in 1976 saying there was a gravestone listing the death of William King Ferguson 28.9.1839 aged 76 and his wife Hannah Wilson death 26.3.1830.
Are there two William King Ferguson's or did he marry again to Ellen Osborne? There would have been a big age difference if she had Edward Augustus in 1838 and then there is the death in 1839???
Can anyone find a marriage of Ellen Jane Ferguson (nee Osborne) to a James Montgomery? This could have been a second marriage for Ellen or Ellenor.
If anyone can locate the gravestone would they please take a photo of it.
Thank you for your help.
Glenys
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Glenys,
I had a good look around the graveyard of Christchurch Church of Ireland this afternoon but to no avail. In this area many of the older headstones were made of a type of sandstone which has not weathered well. Many were illegible. As the local parish is called Drumachose and as there is also a Drumachose Presbyterian Church, I also had a look around their older headstones, again to no avail.
Regards
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There's also the old Drumachose burying gound at Drummond but only a few surviving headstones and not many readable there.
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A very special thank you for wandering around the graveyards for me. I am touched by your kindness. I was hoping that something may have turned up.
Am I likely to find records on micro film at the Coleraine Library? Does PRONI have the same records? If I were to do a trip to Ireland where would I be best to go?
Is anyone able to locate a marriage between James Montgomery and Ellen or Ellenor Ferguson (nee Osborne)?
With thanks.
Glenys
Australia
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Glenys,
It is not clear what records are held in Coleraine or indeed PRONI for this church. However as many microfilms are in poor condition and difficult to read it may be better to see the originals. I would advise contacting the rector to make an appointment well in advance. Remember the rector is a very busy man. See http://derry.anglican.org/index.php/en/parishes/item/120-parish-of-drumachose-christ-church to contact the rector.
Regards
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Thank you Kingskerswell.
You have been very kind to help me and I shall follow your advice. Thank you.
Glenys
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THERE HAS BEEN A DEVELOPMENT IN THIS FAMILY RESEARCH.
Ellen Jane Osborne was married to William King Ferguson and had a Son Edward Augustus Ferguson born 4.9.1838.
Ellen Jane Osborne was born abt 1818 in Inneskillen and her parents were Joshua Osborne and Nancy Sproule.
On 9 Oct 1840 in Limavady Ellen Jane Ferguson (nee Osborne) married Henry Montgomery who was born abt 1820 in Balteagh and his Parents were James Montgomery and his Mother Mary ?
In April 1841 they travelled on the 'James Matheson' to Australia and settled in the State of New South Wales. Edward Augustus Ferguson who was 3 did not immigrate with them to Australia. Someone must have reared him back in Ireland, probably Limavady. Ellen & Henry had another 12 children in Australia. Ellen died in 1896.
Is anyone familiar with these details and may know something of the Ferguson family involved or of the Osbornes.
Thank you.
Glenys
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There's an Edward Ferguson age 63 in 1901 census born Co.Derry-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Waringstown/Warringstown/1244654/
However, Edward could have died as a child/before the start of civil registration of deaths (1864) or left Ireland, or changed his name to that of whoever reared him.
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I should have added in the previous post that we know Edward came to Australia. We picked him up there in 1862.
I am only concentrating on the period 1841 to 1862. I suspect that a Osborne or Ferguson or Sproule may have reared him in Limavady.
Thanks for your reply.
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YES it could well be. And QLD death certs are VERY informative including parents names as well as his age and place of birth and names of wife and children/age of each marriage AND how long in the colonies AND where buried and the informants name address and relationship to the deceased.
If this were my tree I would get the death cert before I followed up on anyone else in my tree.
Cheers JM
Could this possibley be Edward's father?
From the Coleraine Chronicle.
30-Mar-67
'At Ipswich, Queensland, on the 24th December last, William Ferguson, formerly of Newtownlimavady, county of Londonderry, aged 60 years.'
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I have the death cetificate from Queensland for Edward Augustus Ferguson. He died 1918 and had been in the colony for 57 years.
Glenys
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Yes, but majm is suggesting you get the death certificate for William Ferguson that was mentioned in January.
Could this possibley be Edward's father?
From the Coleraine Chronicle.
30-Mar-67
'At Ipswich, Queensland, on the 24th December last, William Ferguson, formerly of Newtownlimavady, county of Londonderry, aged 60 years.'
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Yes I realised that BUT the chap who died Dec 1866 in QLD and the newspaper cutting shows where HE was from COULD be Edward's father as the QLD index shows the 1918 dc has that Edward's father was William Ferguson. The info on any death cert is only as reliable as the informant's own knowledge. What if the 1866 death has YOUR Edward Augustus Ferguson as the Informant...
You would then have first hand info from your Edward about his knowledge of his parentage... Surely that would be more reliable than third hand info passed down through generations since 1866?
That cutting shows me that someone wrote (so could read and write) to Ireland about the death of William.... So wrote to William's family at an address known to the letter writer.
JM
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So a letter had been written and posted and travelled by seamail and received and read and a notice placed in the newspapers HALF a world away in less than 3 months from the death of William Ferguson ... So the letter writer well knew
who to write to
what address to write to
ADDING and the person receiving the letter knew the sender and believed the contents of the letter.
JM
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I think the William Ferguson who died in Ipswich is William Leckey Ferguson who died 23 December 1866 in Ipswich, Qld. He came from Drumachose.
Glenys
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I did not realise you already had that 1866 QLD cert.
Who was the informant please?...
JM
I think the William Ferguson who died in Ipswich is William Leckey Ferguson who died 23 December 1866 in Ipswich, Qld. He came from Drumachose.
Glenys
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I think the William Ferguson who died in Ipswich is William Leckey Ferguson who died 23 December 1866 in Ipswich, Qld. He came from Drumachose.
Glenys
Drumachose Parish/Newtownlimavady is the same area. Since you think this is the same William who died in Ipswich it sounds as though you have not already purchased the certificate.
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I have not purchased this certificate for William Leckey ferguson. I found the information on Ancestry.
Glenys
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I think the cert would be on my 'MUST HAVE' list. Is the info on Ancestry on a submitted tree or on an Ancestry online Index? If on a tree perhaps you could contact the tree owner and ask for a transcript of the dc on which they based their submission for that entry. They may even send you a photocopy. Otherwise save up your pennies and order it from Qld BDM
Only my suggesions of course BUT I think that as you have been looking for 35 years for your G father that you should fully check that William out with the document itself.
JM
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There is a photo of the death certificate on Ancestry. I have seen it.
We know that Edward's Mother Ellen Jane Osborne had a second marriage to Henry Montgomery. She wouldn't have married Henry if William were alive so I am sure he had died in Ireland before 1840. We aren't talking about the 21st century where people are in and out of relationships and marriages all the time.
Ellen Jane's death certificate lists Edward Augustus as child to her first marriage & husband William King Ferguson.
Glenys
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We aren't talking about the 21st century where people are in and out of relationships and marriages all the time.
Actually, there was quite a bit of people re-marrying without spouse being deceased since divorce was usually only an option for the wealthy. Also, it was quite common to state you were married when only living together.
Since you've seen the William Ferguson death certificate- what are the personal details? Even if he's not Edward's father he could still be related.
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NO You know from a NSW dc that a lady who died in 1896 was twice married. Firstly to FERGUSON and then to MONTGOMERY You know that her daughter advised there was a son from that Ferguson marriage and that son was named by his half sister as Edward Augustus Fergusn .. The earlier generations are based on your recent research from that dc surely ... I remember searching for a James Montgomery for you and then you found his given name was Henry ...
Sometimes you need the certificates.
JM
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While you are checking the personal dtails could I ask also for the burial info from that dc and the informants name address and relationship as per the dc.
JM
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The death certificate shows William Leckey Ferguson Bricklayer married to a Mary Jane Given. The story on Ancestry says there were 3 sons and five daughters and lists their names. There is no Edward Augustus. Two of the Sons Robert & John migrated to Australia prior to William Leckey & Mary arriving in 1863 and the other Son Alexander stayed behind in Ireland.
Looking closely at the death certificate it says the death is 24 December 1866.
Name and surname of Father John Ferguson Bricklayer
Name and surname of Mother Elenor Williamson
Certified in writing by David McLaughlin Carpenter Ipswich
Death Certificate states 5 Sons 4 Daughters
Death Certificate states he married at 25 years. He married in Newtown Limavady
Death certificates states he had been in Qld. for 3 years.
Glenys
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Mary Jane Ferguson (nee Given) died in 1905 so if William was born 1806 and was 25 when he married Mary then that would be about 1831. Both were still married when they came to Australia in 1863. He wouldn't have married Ellen Jane Osborne.
Thanks.
Aghadowey, did you read over the message I sent you a few days ago?
Glenys
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So that info is showing us that it was possible that others surnamed FERGUSON were in Queensland in the same era as your Edward Augustus FERGUSON, and that they came from the same district in Ireland as he came from. 1866- 3 years = 1863. It could well be that the info on Edward's 1918 dc re his length of time in the colonies is suspect. It could be he arrived in the Colonies around the same time as this William Ferguson. Afterall you have already noted you can find Edward from circa 1862 in Qld. The William Ferguson who died Dec 1866 in Qld could well be a relative to your chap. Perhaps an uncle or a cousin.
I have forebears who arrived in Australia long before the 1850s. I think of two brothers, aged 13 and 10 who came half way around the world in a sailing ship (sails only, no auxillary power) without any relatives accompanying them. Neither of the boys could read or write. I actually doubt if your Edward Augustus FERGUSON was accompanied by his aged grandmother (Nancy OSBORNE) on his voyage to Australia.
Many of the immigration records for arrivals to Qld were lost in the great floods of 1893. Some of the surviving records have been transcribed and are available at this link
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/Indexes/Immigration/Pages/Immigration1848.aspx
Cheers, JM
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Hi,
Firstly I apologise for the long post. I hope it will help advance Princess' quest.
Info from a Qld dc uploaded to the web includes some information that is written in by hand, and suggests to me that it is NOT part of the original certified certificate, but added by the person uploading it to the web. The actual document was extracted on 11 Feb 1987 as per the certification section of the certificate. The added handwriting reads “ CH 31 MAR 1805 DRUMACHOSE L’DERRY IRE” (it is added at far right hand side nearest to “ Sex and Age”
My transcription of the online document:
1866 Death in the District of IPSWICH registered by William Hendren.
Number : 868 691
When died and where : 24 December, Ipswich
Name and surname; profession, trade or occupation: William FERGUSON, Bricklayer
Sex and age : Male, 60 year
Cause of death : Continual Fever
Duration of last illness : One month
Medical attendant by whom certified : Dr Challinor
When he last saw deceased : 23 December 1866
Name and surname of father : John Ferguson
Profession, trade, or occupation : Elenor Williamson
Signature, description and residence of informant : Certified in writing by David McLaughlin Carpenter Ipswich
Signature of Registrar : Wm Hendren
Date: 24 December 1866
Place of registration : Ipswich
When and where buried : 25 December 1866 Ipswich
By whom certified : Geo Dowden
Name and religion of minister and/or names of two witnesses of burial : Revd. McMosely, Minister of the Church of England
D Lauglan R Harvey
Where born and how long in Australian States, stating which: Ireland 3 years in Queensland
If deceased was married
Where : Newtown Limavady Ireland
At what age : 25 years
To whom : Mary Jane Given
Issue living in order of birth, their names and ages Living 5 boys 4 Girls
Deceased, number and sex : Deceased
There is also a photo of the Headstone (Again this is my transcription):
PEACE In Loving Memory of William Lecky Ferguson Died Dec 24, 1866 Aged 60 years
Also his wife Mary Jane GIVEN Died Brisbane Jan 1 1905 Aged 93 years
Erected by their son, George.
On the 1905 dc for Mary Jane FERGUSON, nee GIVEN her then living descendants were named as Robert 65, Martha Jane 63, Mary Eliza 58, George Given, 55, Helena Jane 48, Whilemina Lavina 42. There were 4 Males deceased.
May I suggest that you contact the tree owner and ask if they have information about the extended family of their William FERGUSON. I do urge this as the tree owner has noted “There seems to be some difference of opinion as to when Mary Jane Ferguson (nee Given) died, I can find no official document for her death in 1863 but did find one for 1905 in the Queensland Births Deaths and Marriages”. That comment suggests to me that there are areas of doubt that the tree owner recognises.
Princess, you have been searching for 35 years for your chap. It could well be the tree owner has been searching for a similar period. The Qld dc for William Ferguson that he holds was issued in 1987.
Cheers, JM
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I just uncovered some more clues for your Ellen Jane Osborne of Terrydremont who was married to William King Ferguson.
Some back ground: Rev. Joseph Osborne 1742-1800 is my 5th great granduncle.
In the book: Limavady and the Roe Valley by Rev T.H. Mullin, pub 1983, ISBN# British 941.62/n1H2m, pages; 33c, 94,95,121(Edwards),125(Osborne)
This book states: Rev. Joseph Osborne married again late in life [Miss Sproule?] and his gt-grandson is Edward Osborne of Terrydremond. This location could be a old spelling and today it could Terrydremont. This Edward Osborn is connected with the Dodds of Enagh, Limavady.
Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Balteagh, County Derry
Robert D.(Dodds?) Osbourne: Terrydremont South, Balteagh, Derry. Terrydremont is the name of a townland near to Limavady
George D. Speer Sr.
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Hi,
I think that the Robert D. Osborne of Terrydremont was Robert Dickson Osborne. He died on 25 Oct 1867 and Letters of Administration were granted to his wife Hadassah Osborne nee Black.
Regards
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kingskerswell, Thank you for your reply.
Tell me more about this Hodassah Black?
1901 Irish Census: House 1, Enagh, Fruithill, Londonderry
Dodds Solomon 53 Head of Family Presbyterian
Dodds Hodassah 37 Wife Presbyterian
Dodds Matilda K. 15 Daughter Presbyterian
Dodds Robert O.[Osborne?] 14 Son Presbyterian
Dodds Hodassah 12 Daughter Presbyterian
Here is some more of my research:
1901 Irish Census: house 10, Terrydremont South, Fruithill, Londonderry, Ireland
OSBORNE Edward age 50 Derry, Presbyterian
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Fruithill/Terrydremond_South/1525390
1911 Irish Census: house 10, Terrydremont South, Fruithill, Londonderry, Ireland
OSBORNE Edward age 65 Derry, Presbyterian
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Fruithill/Terrydremont_South/596475
1901 Irish Census: House 1, Enagh, Fruithill, Londonderry
Dodds Solomon 53 Head of Family Presbyterian
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Fruithill/Enagh/1525556
1911 Irish Census: House 7, Enagh, Fruithill, Londonderry
Dodds Solomon 65 Head of Family Widower, Drumachose
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Fruithill/Enagh/596633
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The Will of Matilda Dodds [Widow]late of Enagh County Londonderry Widow deceased who died 12 February 1883 at same place was proved at Londonderry by William Kennedy of Gortgarn and William M'Cormick of Carn both in said County Farmers the Executors. [Sons Solomon, David, John Dau. Elizabeth.] GDSS
Granted 7 Mar.1883 Effects : £935 9s. 6d.
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Dodds Solomon of Ennagh county Londonderry farmer died 4 November 1923 Probate Londonderry 27 November to Robert Dodds farmer. Effects £866 11s. 8d. GDSS
Effects : £866 11s 8d
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PRONI Reference : D1118/14/O/10
Title : Robert Dickson OSBORNE of Terrydremont,
Dates : 1887
Description : Robert Dickson OSBORNE of Terrydremont, farmer, letters of administration.
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THE BELFAST GAZETTE, FEBRUARY 18, 1927 also MAY 6, 1927.
Holdings subject to Rents other than Judicial Rents.
EDWARD OSBORNE DOBBS, Terrydremont, Barony Keenaght, Terrydremont South, 34 Acres
http://www.belfast-gazette.co.uk/issues/306/pages/400/page.pdf
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George,
Sorry, but I have no information on the lady other than her marriage to Robert Dickson Osborne in the Coleraine area in 1846.
Regards
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Happy New Year
I will be holidaying in Ireland this year and would like to do some Family History while I am there. I need help with planning and who better to task than the people who live there.
We will have a car. We can spend up to four weeks.
Where would you recommend stayng for at least a week so I can include Limavady and surrounding areas and also get into PRONI to do some research?
Can you please advise me on areas to visit in Ireland both South and North and places that are a must to see.
My husband isn't into Family History but loves golf and is a member of The Royal Canberra Golf Club in Australia. I am hoping he will play golf while I do a bit of the Genealogy.
Many thanks.
Glenys
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Hi,
Try the Roe Park Resort. It is an hotel with a golf course attached on the outskirts of Limavady. See http://www.roeparkresort.com/
Regards
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Thank you for the link to Roe Park Resort. Looks good. We would be interested in a Self Catering cottage also if we are going to be in the area for over a week. Probably June or July.
Can you do the Giant's Causeway in a day ? (May seem like a silly question but Australia has huge distances to cover. It takes four and a half hours to fly from East to West in a large jet.) I would still like recommendations on other places to stay & visit.
Glenys
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Glenys,
If you want more advice or assistance please contact me using the PM system.
The Giants Causeway is easily accessed in one day from Limavady, it's only about 20 miles.
Regards
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You can do Giants' Causeway (https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/giants-causeway/), Bushmills Distillery (http://www.bushmills.com/) & as much of the Antrim coast road as you want in 1 day.
Brown Trout, Aghadowey (about 15 miles from Limavady) has self-catering cottages & golf course and is closer to Giants' Causeway.
http://www.browntroutinn.com/
Derry city well worth visiting for a day- last 20 years has seen great improvements to centre & it was 2013 U.K. City of Culture.
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Thanks for those suggestions. I will look into the information you provided.
Glenys
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Hi
I was just googling dodds family tree . I came across this site . My grandmother was one of the dodds family who was brought up in enagh . I have done a little on the family tree and a lot of the surnames match . I was wondering if you had any information .
Thanks
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Yip check reply 65 which is grand parents family
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In my research I have found a JAMES KING FERGUSON born in 1823. He married a Sarah Wiley, daughter of John Wiley in 1868 in Londonderry. This is all I have been able to find so far on James. I have reached a brick wall with James. What I found interesting is the name 'King' as the second Christian Name and want to look into it further to see if it could be a relative of William King Ferguson.
In one of my earlier posts I made mention that William King Ferguson's first wife was Hannah Wilson and that they were married in 1793 in Knockbreda. I visited PRONI in July this year and only saw a marriage between William Ferguson & Hannah Wilson so I cannot say this is the Hannah that William King Ferguson married. The death record in the Drumachose Parish in 1830 only states Hanna Ferguson, wife of William King Ferguson. Sometimes we may be given misleading information in good faith.
Also in the Drumachose Church William King Ferguson bought a church pew with a John Ferguson in 1820. If anyone is able to help me with this John Ferguson I would very much appreciate that.
I am not sure if I should have started a new post with James King Ferguson or kept it with William King Ferguson!
Thanks for any help anyone can give me.
Glenys
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In the Sydney Morning Herald 12 April 1859 there is an article from a John McIlroy, 217 Cumberland Street, Church Hill, Sydney looking to find Edward Augustus Ferguson Osburn from County Derry. Anyone who knows him would they please send his address or would he make contact with the above.
This has now thrown up a new lead and it looks like EAF was in Australia in the 1850's. Why would he not be just under the name of Edward Augustus Ferguson? It seems like he may be using his Mother's maiden name which was Osborne but this spelling is Osburn.
Maybe John McIlroy was a friend in Derry. I will have to search the above address and also look and see if there was a John McIlroy coming to Australia.
Any suggestions from anyone if he could be a friend or a business person?
Glenys
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13023598 The Sydney Morning Herald 12 April 1859. It is a paid classified Advertisement, rather than an article written by a newspaper reporter.
You were given the tip about that advertisement by one of the RChatters posting on your current thread on the Australia Board. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=710726.0
The advertiser was likely a Mr John McILROY, 217 Cumberland St, Church Hill, Sydney.
Cheers, JM
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In the Sydney Morning Herald 12 April 1859 there is an article from a John McIlroy, 217 Cumberland Street, Church Hill, Sydney....... I will have to search the above address and also look and see if there was a John McIlroy coming to Australia.
The occupier of 217 Cumberland St as per the 1861 Assessment Book for the City of Sydney’s Gipps Ward (which includes Church Hill) was a William McIntyre. The Owner or Landlord was SUTTON, and it was a House (not a Warehouse or Shop), of Stone (not of Brick, Wood or Iron) and the Roof was Shingled (not Slated or otherwise). It was of two floors, and there were seven rooms, and for rates purposes its Gross Annual Value was £75. SUTTON owner/landlord the Store nextdoor at 219. (So perhaps it was a boarding house? .... seven rooms ......)
City of Sydney Archives
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/house-and-building-histories/assessment-books
http://www.insidehistory.com.au/2013/01/expert-qa-sydneys-history-and-genealogical-record-with-lisa-murray/
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections
Cheers, JM
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There are advertisments in Trove for rooms to let at that address, 217 Cumberland Street.
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Many thanks. I will look through all that information later after I have washed and walked the dog!! My Son's dog I am baby sitting.
I never cease to be amazed at the information you folk can turn up.
Glenys
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Majm
I have replied to you in the Australia Forum. Thanks for the links. Fantastic. Forgot to say I thought I saw the name McIlroy in the Drumachose Parish. Another thing I will have to look into.
Glenys
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You were wondering about the source of the "King" middle names. I can't really help apart from to point out I have "William King Stevenson" in my family. I believe his mother was Elizabeth King, and I'd guess her father was William King (Co Donegal I think). People quite often gave the name of the mother's father to the eldest son.
I came to this thread because I have links to Osbornes of Altmover and Fergusons of Cookstown area (and McCauslands of Limavady). I've only really skimmed through the thread, so I'm not sure whether or where we join up.
I think you said you've been to PRONI and you picked up a few dates, but your not sure of some if they're your family. I wonder if you've scanned through the BMD notices on the Belfast Newsletter? You mentioned Ancestry.com, so you probably have a full subscription - they have scanned images of the Newsletter up until about 1925 (with only a few small gaps):
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2193&path=
Don't rely on the searches from Findmypast, The British Newspaper Archive, etc, because they don't pick up everything (nowhere near as good as Trove in Aus). If you know the exact date, just find the next day in the Newsletter and work through up to 2-3 weeks after the date. Not every family posted BMDs in the Newsletter, particularly not in the early years, but I think it's worth a try.
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Thank you MFGilbert for your contribution. I agree with you that the King is probably from the Mothers Father.
In the Drumachose Parish there are Ferguson's & King's in the early 1700's. Unfortunately the records are missing between approx 1750 and 1804 so if there was a marriage at that time I may have no luck in finding it unless there is a bible with a record or I find someone who knows something.
I have not looked at The Belfast Newsletter. I no longer have Ancestry but will check with the National Library in Canberra if they have access to the Belfast Newsletter.
Good luck with your research. I will be interested to see where it goes, especially with the Ferguson's and Osborne's.
Cheers
Glenys
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Oh, I actually just (finally) came across a record last night to confirm my ancestor “William King”. He was apparently of “Timra, Co Derry”, though I’m not convinced that shouldn’t be “Trimra, Co Donegal”.
Anyway, if we are linked through the Osbornes it *might* be through the Rev. Joseph Osborne mentioned by George Speer at the top of page 8 in this thread. According to George, Rev Joseph had a 1st cousin called Samuel Osborne who we believe may have been grandfather to my ggg grandfather Samuel Osborne McCausland (there’s that name thing again). Samuel McCausland's parents were a William McCausland (of Streeve I think) and a "Miss Osborne of Altmover".
If you are going to a library I suppose you might as well try to get your hands on the Londonderry Sentinel and any other local newspapers. Though I think only the Newsletter covers the 1700s? There is an index for the Belfast Newsletter for that period, though there weren’t so many BMDs in those days (mostly death notices for the better off):
http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/
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Hi,
I think that "TIMRA" should read TIMRAGH and you are correct - it is a townland in the Letterkenny District of Co. Donegal.
Regards
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Thanks, I think I'll go ahead and post about the Kings in the Donegal forum (hadn't been sure where to put it).
Edit: Just came across a tree on ancestry - might not need to.
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Thanks MFG for your contributions. I will keep an eye on your posts and if I see anything that rings a bell let you know.
Do you think there was a lot of movement with families between Donegal and Limavady mid 1700's early 1800's?
Glenys
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I've no evidence our Kings are related - I just mentioned them because the name became a middle name in both our families. And then after I posted I found proof of my original theory, so I mentioned them again ;)
I don't know of any particular movement between Limavady and Donegal either. My Donegal Stevensons+King branch is seperate from my Limavady McCausland+Osborne branch (until 1915, by which time they were in Belfast).
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By the way, this is what my gg aunt Ky McCausland (1889-1998) wrote about the Osbornes in 1937:
"My Great Grandfather was called William McCausland and was born in Dungiven about 1775 and married a Miss Osborne of Altmover near Dungiven. The Osbornes have only left Altmover about fifteen or perhaps twenty years ago when the entail was broken. My grandfather Samuel Osborne McCausland had no brothers and one sister who became a Mrs Glenn and was buried in Dunluce Graveyard near Bushmills (I think Mr Glenn went (undeclared) to America!!!). My grandfather was born in 1800 and was ninety five when he died ... My Great Grandfather and his wife are buried I believe at Strieve near Dungiven ... I possess a brooch and nine old teaspoons which belonged to my Great Grandmother who was Miss Osborne. The Osborne connection I know as some of them are now in Belfast - and they have many connections."
By the way, if anyone has any idea from the above where I might be likely to find the grave (if there is one) of William McCausland and his wife please do tell. We're a bit confused about the references to "near Dungiven" because it had been our understanding that our McCauslands were from Limavady - perhaps my gg aunt's geography was just a little off?
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Hi,
The following death extracts from the Londonderry Sentinel may be of interest.
3 Mar1839 Jane, beloved wife of William Osborne, Ballyhargan (sic) Esq. county of Londonderry and daughter of Rev Joseph Osborne, formally of Newtownards
13 Jun 1850 at his residence Altmover, Dungiven, the Rev Joseph Osborne, senior minister of the Unitarian Church of Newtownards at the advanced age of 88years.
( Altmover appears to be a small area in the townland of Ballyharigan. In the 1858 Griffiths valuation it seems to cover the Osborne farm, no 17a,b,c,d,e, in the Griffiths list.
Regards
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Ah, thanks. I'd assumed Altmover was a townland, but I see it now.
I have those notices from other newspapers actually. There's a long extract from an address given at the funeral of Jane Osborne in 1839 reproduced in "The Bible Christian" available online. Not hugely helpful from a genealogical perspective.
The death notice I have for Rev Joseph Osborne is from the Freeman's Journal, 10th Jan 1850 (not June). Neither of the notices give the date of his death, but George Speer has it as 13th Dec 1849, which more or less fits with the January notice.
This Rev Joseph Osborne is apparently the son of William Osborne, brother of an earlier Rev Joseph Osborne who died on 17th Sep 1800. George has this one's DoB as c1709, which I'm a bit dubious about because it would make him 30 years older than his brother William.
The earlier Rev. Joseph Osborne is the person who *might* be the common ancestor between myself and princess41. I've tried to find a notice of his death, with no success.
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Hi,
I have double checked and you are correct. The date of the Journal was 4 Jan 1850 and the text gives the death as "13 ULT" which I assume refers to 13 Dec 1849.
Regards
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Oh good, thanks :)
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Hi,
The McCauslands have been a prominent family in Limavady since about 1790 when the forebear of the family was the Agent for William Conolly who bought the Limavady estate from the Phillips family. This link gives some idea of the family. http://www.kelcran.com/Genealogy/sources/mccausland/mccausland%20of%20drenagh%20-%201958.pdf
Regards
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Yup, but we have had great difficulty finding where our William McCausland born c1775 fits in. The family tradition is that our McCauslands were from Strieve/Streeve, and therefore presumably we are descended from Frederick McCausland and Rachel Hillhouse.
I have recently ordered a DNA kit for a McCausland cousin of mine in the hope that it will one day help solve the problem.
My great x3 grandfather Samuel Osborne McCausland was born on Christmas Day 1800. Probably as a teenager he went to Londonderry where is served an apprenticeship in “commercial pursuits.” In 1825 he moved to Belfast where he set up his own business in North Street. In the same year he married Jane Killen of Glenwherry. The business is still going strong, still being run by his descendants.
My grandfather wrote a history of the firm in 1975 to mark its 150th anniversary, and this is part of what he said of Samuel McCausland:
Who was this young man, so confident of his ability and merit? We know that he came from Limavady. We know that his father’s name was William McCausland, that his mother’s name was a Miss Osborne, that his maternal grandfather had an estate of some eight hundred acres between Limavady and Dungiven. We know also that there was an old-established county family of M’Causlands or McCauslands in Limavady. Their descendants are still considerable landowners in the district. It seems therefore almost certain that Samuel McCausland was born and brought up a gentleman, with all that that implied in those days, when class distinction was very much more rigid than it is today. It is also clear that by ‘entering into trade’, as the phrase went, he had committed social suicide. This is supported by something told me by his grandson, who had it from his father. He said that when the McCauslands of Limavady wanted to make use of them in any way they were prepared to acknowledge the McCauslands of Belfast as cousins, but that at all other times they ignored them. This is in no way a reflection on the McCauslands of Limavady. As any reader of Jane Austen will know, the gentry of that period regarded ‘being in trade’ as demeaning. If one had relations in trade, or had been in trade oneself, one did one’s best to hush it up. It was a skeletion in the family cupboard. By setting himself up as a grocer young Samuel McCausland had brought no honour to the family name. Probably the family thanked God that the dreadful deed had been done in distant Belfast, not in more familiar Londonderry or even Limavady itself.
Samuel McCausland was mayor of Belfast in 1868. He lived in Cherryvale, the demesne of which is now the Cherryvale playing fields (the house no longer exists). He died on 22nd April 1895.
This is the first time in a while that I’ve properly read the above extract, and the first time I’ve taken in about the maternal grandfather with 800 acres. I suppose there’s probably a way for me to find out who this person might have been – there can’t have been many Osbornes with 800 acres between Limavady and Dungiven in the late 18th century. I shall have to look into that...
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Good Morning from Australia!
Kingskerswell, You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge. I don't know what we would do without you. Thanks.
MFG
I am looking at the information I have on the Osborne's, parents of Ellen Jane Osborne.
The shipping record to Australia 'James Mathieson' 1841 for Ellen Jane who is now married to Henry Montgomery, after the death of William King Ferguson, states she is from Tillydrimmy Londonderry. Father is Joseph Osborne a farmer & Mother Nancy Sproule and following it says living dead. Just who is alive and who is dead I am not sure but I wonder if it could mean Joseph living & Nancy dead. Ellen Jane was approx 18 in August 1840 & Presbyterian. Person certifying Registry Baptism George Stern. (Maybe you couldn't immigrate unless you were baptised.) Things sure have changed in this country!!!! Henry was a Stone Cutter & Ellen Jane a Dairywoman. Both could read & write. They came out to Australia under the Bounty Scheme. No children allowed.
On Ellen Jane's death certificate 11 July 1896 it states Father Joseph Osbourne, occupation Overseer and says Ellen Jane was born in Inneskillen, Ireland. Remember this is what gets passed down verbally.
The children in that marriage were Anne Gordon Montgomery, Ellen Susan Frances (also noted as Eleanor & Helen), Mary, Elizabeth, Catherine, Jane, Hannah, Henry, Agnes, Deborah, Rebecca & Nancy. (Only one son but eleven daughters in her second marriage.) Sometimes it helps to look at the names as they repeat through the generations.
I wish I could find a bit more on this Nancy Osborne (Osbourne) nee Sproule. It would be really helpful if I could find out if she remarried if Joseph died first and I have tried to find her date of death but haven't had any luck.
Can someone tell me what an Overseer is again please?
Can you be an Overseer and a farmer?
Cheers
Glenys
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MFG
Great reading about the McCausland's. I think I have a few dates and names amongst my bits and pieces for the Limavady family. Will have to hunt them down for you.
Glenys
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13 July 1810 Elizabeth McCausland Streve Hill marries Hugh Boyle Balteagh.
Glenys
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Hi,
According to the 1858 Griffiths valuation William Osborne held the whole townland of Ballyharigan "in Fee" ie he owned it. This townland was 774 acres and he sublet most of it.
Regards
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Glenys,
I can't help much but I can give what I think are some minor corrections to the shipping record. I think that Tillydrimmy should read Terrydremont. In 1858 a Robert D. Osborne farmed there and on the 1831 census a Edward Osborne lived there. The baptism recorder was the Rev. George Steen who was the minister in the Presbyterian Church of Drumachose from 1833 until 1845 when one of the many arguments in the church took place and he became the minister of Second Limavady Presbyterian church from 1845 until 1897 just before his death. It may be of interest that he was also appointed as the Presbyterian minister of the workhouse in Limavady.
I also think that Iniskillen should read Enniskillen which is a town in Co. Fermamagh and many miles from Limavady.
Regards
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Person certifying Registry Baptism George Stern. (Maybe you couldn't immigrate unless you were baptised.)
Yes, the minister's name was George Steen. Do you have the exact wording of the document? Baptism in any religion was not a requirement to travel but does the letter possibly say that she was baptised and is a member of his congregation in good standing (or words to that effect)? When a Presbyterian was going to leave their own congregation they would get a letter of recommendation from their minister (or clerk of Session) to bring to their new church (known as lifting your lines).
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Kingserwell,
Thanks for that info. I think you told me once before it was Terrydremont and when we were in Limavady last year we drove all over that area hoping to maybe locate where the Osborne's lived. Interesting that name of Edward Osborne. I wonder if he could have been Joseph's father or a brother. Maybe that is where the Edward comes from with EAF.
That Presbyterian Church that George Steen was at, was it the 1st Presbyterian Church?
Henry Montgomery's native place is listed as Bellamully, Londonderry. I can't find anything on that when I google it. Any idea where that is or what it should read?
Aghadowey
I have a copy of the original handwritten Government document on their arrival. It just says, Person certifying Registry of Baptism and it says George Steen. Next it says Character and Person certifying the same..Same as husband. State of bodily health, strength, and probable usefulness...Very good P. No it wasn't a letter stating she was a member of a congregation. Just an official document.
Thanks.
Regards
Glenys
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She would have retained the letter from her minister, Rev. Steen, to present to a new congregation, but seems to have used it as a character reference when entering Australia.
I would suggest that 'Bellamully' was the townland of Ballymully (also in Balteagh civil parish).
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Thanks again for helping with Ballymully. There are so many place names in such a small area. It is really hard to comprehend it all back in Australia. Even though I spent two weeks in the immediate area it is hard to get my head around all these town lands. It must be where Ballymully Cottage Farm is. I just did a google search. Thanks.
Glenys
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Glenys,
The Rev Steen was minister of 2nd Presbyterian Church when it opened in 1845. The church is situated in Irishgreen Street. Limavady 1st Presbyterian Church is situated in Church Street which used to be known as Brewery Lane many years ago!! Drumachose Presbyterian Church is also in Church Street. The comparatively new Roman Catholic Church of Christ the Redeemer sits across Scroggy Road from 1st Presbyterian Church.
Regards
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Kingskerswell,
Thanks. It has all come back to me. I remember looking at the gravestones.
Glenys
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The shipping record to Australia 'James Mathieson' 1841 for Ellen Jane who is now married to Henry Montgomery, after the death of William King Ferguson, states she is from Tillydrimmy Londonderry. Father is Joseph Osborne a farmer & Mother Nancy Sproule and following it says living dead.
Hi there,
Excuse me, but may I gently mention that It does NOT say "living dead". It says "his wife dead".
Princess, please have a good look through the images for other passengers on that same voyage, or at least other voyages of bounty ships in that era, and note there's other instances where it reads "his wife dead" on several other passengers entitlements. It is a fairly standard comment for that era on those records.
Here is my transcription of both Henry's and Ellen Jane's entitlement certificates.
My transcription of two pages from the Entitlement certificates of persons on bounty ships, Series 5314, Reel 1329 for the Immigrant Ship James Matheson arriving in Sydney 14th April 1841. Originals are held by the New South Wales Records Office. : (I understand that the National Archives of Australia’s Canberra facilities would likely have copies of these in their holdings).
JM notes the words in bold are on the printed forms. The words in italics are my transcription of the longhand responses on those forms.
Henry Montgomery
Married Male Immigrant
Arrived by the James Mathieson
Brought out by A B Smith & Co
A Native of Beliamully – Londonderry, son of James a farmer dead and Mary Lochery his wife there.
Calling Stonecutter
Age on Embarkation 20 years May 1840
Person certifying Registry of Baptism Geo Stein (P. Minister)
Character, and Person certifying the same Geo. Stein – Minister Jas Anderson &c.
State of bodily health, strength and probable usefulness V Good
Religion Presbyterian
Remarks R & Writes
Ellen Jane Montgomery
Married Female Immigrant
Arrived by the Ship James Mathieson
Brought out by (JM notes there’s no response to that heading)
A Native of Tellydrimmy – Londonderry – daughter of Joseph Osborne a farmer and Nancy Sproule his wife dead.
Calling Dairy woman
Age 18 years in August 1840
Person certifying Registry of Baptism Geo Stein
Character, and Person certifying the same Same as husband
State of bodily health, strength and probable usefulness Very Good P
Religion Protestant
Remarks Reads only
Male Children, exceeding one, and under eighteen years (JM notes there’s no response to that heading or its subheadings : Names Ages Persons certifying Rgistry of Baptism)
Female Children, Exceeding one , and under Fifteen Years (JM notes there’s no response to that heading or its subheadings : Names, Ages, Persons certifying Registry of Baptism.) [So, the couple did not bring any children aged one year and upwards with them, although there were other couples who did bring their children with them on that voyage as per other entitlement certificates and the passenger list itself]
So Henry was noted as Presbyterian and Ellen was noted as Protestant .....
. Both could read & write. They came out to Australia under the Bounty Scheme. No children allowed.
I wish I could find a bit more on this Nancy Osborne (Osbourne) nee Sproule. It would be really helpful if I could find out if she remarried if Joseph died first and I have tried to find her date of death but haven't had any luck.
Princess, please please please go back through some of your threads and check where we clearly established that Children WERE allowed under the Bounty Scheme, and also that Nancy was already dead when the Montgomery couple embarked. You might also note that Ellen could read, but not write, and that she was not Presbyterian.
I have edited this post to fix some grammar, add some words to help make my comments more readable and to add the bold/italics :)
Cheers, JM
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=640766.0 children and the Bounty Scheme discussion
Cheers, JM
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Hi Majm
I remember that earlier discussion on the Bounty Scheme but thanks for the reminder. I will read through the old threads again after I send you this reply.
It has been ages since I looked at the passenger list for the James Mathieson. I more than likely looked over it at the National Library or on Ancestry. You have mentioned the National Archives to look at the entitlement certificates and I may have a chance to follow that up tomorrow. I only have a copy of Ellen Jane's amongst my records but I have info on Henry from one of the ancestors.
I believe you are correct with the writing 'his wife dead'. I had to get out the magnifying glass and sure enough that is what is says. That is a real breakthrough because I always thought that she could possibly have reared Edward. Thank you Majm for picking that up. You're a gem.
Regards
Glenys
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Although it says Henry was Presbyterian and Ellen was 'Protestant' they would both have had to been Presbyterian for Rev. Steen as he certified BOTH baptisms.
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Thanks Aghadowey. Ellen Jane was Presbyterian and she married WKF in Bovevagh Presbyterian Church. Probably her church. A lovely little church.
Regards
Glenys
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Glenys, thanks for the notice about Elizabeth McCausland of Streve.
Kingskerswell, 774 acres, that’s a good match I’d say. Thanks :)
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I have to say I’m getting a bit confused with the main discussion here. I’ve gone back through everything to see if I can understand it all. Correct me if I’ve got any of this wrong...
William King FERGUSON son of William King FERGUSON (c1762-1839) and Hannah WILSON (c1777-1830) was born about 1804. He married Ellen Jane OSBORNE on 17th Nov 1837. She was the daughter of Joseph OSBORNE and Nancy SPROULE. They had a son called Edward Augustus FERGUSON born on 4th Sep 1838 in Limavady.
Ellen Jane went on to marry again to a Henry MONTGOMERY and she went out with him to Australia leaving her son behind. The couple had several children which have been listed. Ellen’s son Edward Augustus FERGUSON went out to Australia a little later, in 1853 (aged 12, though he would have been 14/15?).
There’s a couple of trees on Ancestry which have Ellen Jane Osborne. One says she was born in 1795, the other that she was born in about 1818 and died in July 1896. The Australia Death Index has Ellen J Montgomery, died Norwra, NSW in 1896, parents Joseph and Nancy – so that’s her. I’m assuming this in the Maitland Weekly Mercury (18th 7 1896) is her...?
“Mrs Ellen Montgomery, a resident for nearly 40 years in the Shoalhaven district, died suddenly in Ewin’s produce store at Nowra on Saturday. The old lady, feeling faint, went into the store to sit down, and died immediately. The deceased, who was 74 years old, was well known. She was considerably well-to-do, and leaves a grown-up family of sons and daughters.”
Going back to her parents, have we considered what George Speer posted at the top of page 8?
I just uncovered some more clues for your Ellen Jane Osborne of Terrydremont who was married to William King Ferguson.
Some back ground: Rev. Joseph Osborne 1742-1800 is my 5th great granduncle.
In the book: Limavady and the Roe Valley by Rev T.H. Mullin, pub 1983, ISBN# British 941.62/n1H2m, pages; 33c, 94,95,121(Edwards),125(Osborne)
This book states: Rev. Joseph Osborne married again late in life [Miss Sproule?] and his gt-grandson is Edward Osborne of Terrydremond. This location could be a old spelling and today it could Terrydremont. This Edward Osborn is connected with the Dodds of Enagh, Limavady.
The Rev Joseph Osborne apparently died in 1800, so too early to have been Ellen Jane’s father. But it seems likely that he had a son called Joseph who might have been the farmer/overseer (whatever that is) who married Nancy Sproule.
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A few questions that occurred to me as I read through...
“William King Ferguson’s first wife Hannah Wilson.” Who was his second wife, or what was the evidence that he married again?
“William King Ferguson bought a pew with a John Ferguson in 1820.” I wonder if this John Ferguson could be the John Ferguson, father of William Lecky Ferguson who died in Australia in 1866 aged 60...?
Edward Augustus Ferguson may have at some point used his mother's name, "Osborne" in Australia. I know that's only from a small notice placed by a third party, so isn't necessarily reliable.
I have twice come across cases where a son reverted from his father's name to his mother's. In the first it was because the parents had never actually been married in the first place (though strangely only the father's name was put on the birth certificate). In the second case the parents underwent a (presumably acrimonious) divorce, I think after the mother had an affair (and later married) her husband's nephew (!!). In both cases the son only appears to have adopted his mother's name after emigrating (one to America, the other to Australia).
So was Edward using his mother's name? If so why? What is the latest thinking of what happened to his father William King Ferguson?
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MFG For your info. Hope this clears things up a bit for you.
It is after 1am here and I am off to bed shortly.
I started this journey 37 years ago with my brother and in that time thought there may have been two William King Ferguson's. That is not so. There is only the one (as far as we know) and he died in 1839. I have seen the records in Drumachose C of I Parish. His age 76 so that means he must have been born around 1763. No birth record found.
Hannah Ferguson died in 1830 and I have seen that record in the Drumachose Parish also. States wife of William King Ferguson.
Then there is the marriage of these two. My brother believes it is the one in Knockbreda in 1793 between a William Ferguson & Hannah Wilson. There are no other details so I don't necessarily think that is correct. There are loads of William Ferguson's. As far as I am concerned there is nothing more substantial to back it up so at this point of time I cannot confirm that. Maybe somewhere there are children from a marriage with Hannah the first wife.
Marriage between Osborne & Sproule correct.
EAF (b.4.9.1838) is Son of William King Ferguson & Ellen Jane Osborne. Baptised Drumachose Church of Ireland.
Ellen Jane Osborne & William King Ferguson married 1837 in Bovevagh Presbyterian Church. Names in record, Eleanor Osborne & William H (error) Ferguson.
I am looking into John Ferguson, father of William Leckey Ferguson in relation to the church pew. This seems to be the only John in the church that fits age wise.
Latest thoughts regarding William King Ferguson. I don't know where he has come from but I believe he was of a strong Christian faith. He is a mystery up to 1812 but I can track him after that and his involvement in the Parish. 1831 census said he was living 63 Catherine Street, Limavady. Family story passed down said his death was caused by falling through a loft. (One will never know)
Ellen Jane married Henry Montgomery 1840. Yes they went to Australia 1841 on the James Mathieson.
Not sure yet when EAF arrived in Australia. Looking into a Augt. Ferguson 1853 on ship 'Asia'. Ages don't match and not full name. Working on this one. (Someone is looking for him in NSW. in 1859 in relation to that advertisement. May not be reliable, could be.) I have lots on Edward in Australia from 1861 in Queensland. He has always used the name Edward Augustus Ferguson on everything and I am talking hundreds of documents and pages. I have not found anything under Osborne.
Yes Ellen Jane Montgomery died Nowra 1896. I have lots on her here in Australia. On her death certificate Edward's name is mentioned but he is left out of her will. She may never have seen him after she left Ireland.
I have read the threads of George Speer over and over including a few times today. Possibly a link there. I agree about the Rev. Joseph Osborne not being Ellen Jane's father. He would have been dead, 1800, before she was born. Could be the younger Joseph???
I don't think Ellen Jane really knew her age or birth date. It varies about 2 to 3 years.
I looked up Overseer in the dictionary. It is like Supervisor, Manager, in charge etc.
On Ancestry, some of the information is wrong. People put things up that aren't right. I have contacted one lady telling her the information she has is incorrect but she hasn't removed it. Just be a bit careful with that.
Even my research on RootsChat is not clear over the years as new things pop up.
Just post any other questions.
Good night from rainy Canberra.
Glenys
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Thanks for going clearing things up.
I’m not convinced that there was only one William King Ferguson. At the moment it looks like he was about 67 when his wife Hannah died in 1830. It’s not impossible, but wouldn’t it be a bit far fetched for him to go on to marry a ~20yo Ellen Osborne in 1837 when he was about 74?
I admit that the death of William King Ferguson in 1839 would fit with Ellen remarrying in 1840.
I see now you probably already know all about the family in Australia, but just since I’d already looked it up - Henry Montgomery died in 1888:
On Friday, the 8th instant, another of the old residents of Shoalhaven died at Nowra. We refer to the late Henry Montgomery, who arrived in this district in the year 1840. The deceased was a native of County Derry, Ireland, and was 70 years of age. He leaves a wife, one son, and nine daughters. The remains were interred in the Presbyterian portion of Nowra Public Cemetery on Sunday the 10th: the Rev. J.A. Bowring (in the unavoidable absence of Dr Grant and Mr J Dobbie) officiated at the grave. [The Shoalhaven Telegraph, 27 Jun 1888]
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I know that it can be difficult to get as much documentation as needed for such an early peiod and family stories can be a great help in providing details not found elsewhere or giving clues for further searching, However, there seems (at least on this thread) to be quite a bit of assumption and not listening to advice.
As a researcher based in Northern Ireland (with ancestral links to Limavady area and living only a few miles away) I would be extremely puzzled by a couple in Limavady area where the bride was supposed to be from Enniskillen and even more puzzled by an early marriage in Knockbreda (Belfast).
There are also statements like "Latest thoughts regarding William King Ferguson. I don't know where he has come from but I believe he was of a strong Christian faith. He is a mystery up to 1812 but I can track him after that and his involvement in the Parish." Other than his religion recorded in the 1831 census and a burial in the Parish (Church of Ireland) churchyard (which was actually open to all denominations) I can't see why you would believe that he was very religious.
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Aghadowey, do you happen to know where the McCauslands of Streeve/Drenagh etc buried their dead? Do you know if there's a private burying-ground on the estate?
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Hi,
There is a McCausland grave in Aghanloo Parish church but I think it was for a member of the family who was killed by the IRA in in the 1970/1980s. If I had to guess I would think that some are buried in the old parish church graveyard which nowadays lies within the walls of the Drenagh estate. There may also be more recent graves in the Parish Churchyard (Christchurch) in Limavady.
Regards
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Hi,
I have copied some lines taken from a book by Julia E Mullin, The Presbytery of Limavady. The lady was the wife of The Rev TH Mullin already mentioned. She wrote about Scriggan Presbyterian Church which stood about half a mile south of Bovevagh Presbyterian Church on the Ballyquin Road. The congregation was dissolved in 1905 and the church was demolished in 1930. A private house now stands there.
" The Rev Joseph Osborne was installed there on 14 Jun 1799. He was the second son of William Osborne, a merchant in the parish of Bovevagh and his wife was a daughter of Dr. Edwards of Straw House , Bovevagh. The Scriggan minister was a relative of the Rev Joseph Osborne, minister of Newtownlimavady congregation being either a grandson or a nephew. Educated at Glasgow, he was licensed by the presbytery of Londonderryin 1791 and ordained in Corboy on 16 Mar 1792. He Married Mary Mease of Gortin, Co. Donegal. The marriage settlement, made in March 1794 conveyed the townland of Ballyhargin (sic) to trustees to hold for Mary Mease, the intended wife of Rev Joseph Osborne of Bracklin, Co. Longford.
On 9 June 1801 Mr Osborne accepted a call from Newtownards Non Subscribing Congregation and he remained a minister there until he retired in 1827. His only child, Jane had married William Osborne of Altmover near Dungiven but she died in 1839 aged only 37 leaving one surviving child. The rev Joseph died at his son-in-law's residence in Altmover on 13 December 1849."
Regards
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Thanks very much for all that information Kingskerswell. :)
I’ve been looking into the Osbornes of Ballyharigan (several other spellings available), trying to unravel to ownership of the townland.
There are a couple of things I’m finding confusing at the moment. The first is that the candidate for my ancestor who is supposed to have owned 800 acres had lots of children including several sons, yet it is his cousin (once removed), William Osborne who owned the land by the time of the Griffith’s Valuation.
The other, and I’m hoping someone might know about this, is records I’ve found relating to a sale under the encumbered lands courts:
[Dublin Evening Mail, 25 7 1855]
In the court for the sale of encumbered estates in Ireland ... in the matter of the estate of William Osborne, Esq., owner and petitioner, and in the matter of the Estate of said William Osborne, and of Joseph Osborne, an infant, Owners; Exparte, John Bates, Petitioner .... pursuant to the orders made in these matters, bearing date respectively the 24th day of April 1854, and 8th day May, 1855, Mr. George Walters, Auctioneer, will on Wednesday, the 10th day of October, 1855, at his auction Mart, situate in the city of Londonderry, at the hour of 12 o’clock at noon on said day, set up and sell in five lots, as specified below, the townland of Ballyhargan, otherwise Ballycarrigan, situate in the barony of Kennaught and County of Londonderry, containing 775A 0R 18P statute measure, held in fee-simple, and producing an annual rental of £512 10z 0d sterling....
[PRONI D120/53]
7 February Irish Encumbered Estates Court Rentals. Rental and particulars of the estate of the said parties. Parties: Estate of William Osborne, Esq., and Joseph Osborne, an infant, owners, John Bates, Esq., petitioner. Relates to Ballyharigan, otherwqise Ballycarrigan, Co. Londonderry.
[Allnut’s Irish Land Schedule, 15 Feb 1856]
RESULT OF PUBLIC SALES: Showing the number of years purchase each lot has realieed (?) amount of purchase money, and name of purchaser ... William Osborne (late owner); Ballyhargan &c (includes Altmover, Termalin, Knockanalara and Mill Farm); for a total of £9820 ... William Osborne (purchaser).
My understanding is that the encumbered estates court was set up to sell land belonging to families which had fallen into debt, and to use the money to pay back the creditor(s). According to the table in the Allnut’s Irish Land Schedule it looks as though land formerly belonging to William Osborne was sold, at public auction to ... William Osborne. Is it possible that it was the same William Osborne, or must it have been someone else – perhaps a cousin, or his son?
Why is a “Joseph Osborne, infant” being mentioned? How old (young) did you need to be to be described as an infant. Under 1, under 3, under 8?
And who was John Bates? Could he have been the man to whom money was owed?
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There are at least six headstones for the MCauslands of DaisyHill, Streeve Hill and Drenagh in Drumachose Parish Church, Limavady. The McCauslands of Bessbrook are buried in Ballykelly C of I.
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I should have said that you can find these on line at colerainefhs.org.uk. Hope this helps.
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I do remember seeing some McCausland stones at Christ Church, Limavady but I think you need to be a member of Coleraine NIFHS to see these records?
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The headstone inscriptions are not in the Members' Area of the Coleraine Branch of NIFHS . As far as I know they are freely available.
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Why is a “Joseph Osborne, infant” being mentioned? How old (young) did you need to be to be described as an infant. Under 1, under 3, under 8?
In a legal sense, INFANT was a person who had not yet reached their majority and was therefore not recognised by a court of law as being able to speak on their own behalf at the court. In that sense "Infant" is another word for "minor".
Please remember that a person who was not yet "full age" needed to have recorded on the record of their marriage that someone responsible gave consent .... and so if you remember that is indicating the bride/groom has not been able to give their own consent to their own marriage, and the reason they could not give their own consent was simply that they were not yet 'full age' .... :) :) :) .... well, family history buffs say the underage persons were "minors" .... as they had not yet reached their 'majority'. In the 19th century NSW courts, particularly in the 1840s (when some of my ancestors wills were being probated) some of the beneficiaries were referred to an Infants .... even though their actual age was also mentioned. One beneficiary was noted as "an infant, in her twentifth year" on the court document. I am sure similar meanings were used throughout the British Empire.
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Yes Ellen Jane Montgomery died Nowra 1896. I have lots on her here in Australia. On her death certificate Edward's name is mentioned but he is left out of her will. She may never have seen him after she left Ireland.
Information on NSW death certificates includes the informant providing answers to many many questions about the deceased. (Where/when born; parents names, including mum's nee name; how long in the colonies ... including each colony; where married and age at marriage, including name of spouse/s and listing children of each marriage and their ages, and listing known deceased children at the end of the lists of children....) etc etc. NSW BDM does not cross check the validity of the information. And of course the informant's own knowledge is often affected by their own grief and by their duties to other family members, and in making the funeral arrangements.
Cheers, JM
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In Irish records I've only ever seen a very young child described as an infact- perhaps 1 year of younger but certainly not over two years.
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=692074.msg5359520#msg5359520
In common law an "infant" was one who has not completed his or her twenty-first year. In text books and statutes the words “infant” and “minor” are interchangeable and are used to describe a person who has not come of age. ………
There's other 'definitions' on that thread too. :)
Cheers, JM
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That may be but I have never seen it used for an older minor in Irish legal records.
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Hi aghadowey,
I defer to your knowledge of the Irish legal records.
Cheers, JM
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Thanks very much cyclamen. Yes, the Coleraine branch of the NIFHS offers the graveyard inscriptions for free on its website – I’d actually already glanced through a few of the graveyards, but not Drumachose yet, so thanks for pointing it out.
As you say, several McCausland headstones. Unfortunately none with my William McCausland.
There is also an early Osborne grave at Drumachose: In memoriam / Henry Osborne / died 1777 / Mary Haslett Osborne / his widow / died 1812
Also, by chance, as I was browsing for a McCausland notice, I found this:
[Belfast Newsletter 25 Jun 1824]
At Newtownards, on Friday the 18th inst. in the 17th year of her age, ELIZABETH MARGARET, youngest daughter of the Rev. Joseph Osborne.
Thanks for the discussion on the use of the word ‘infant’. The message I’m getting is that “Joseph Osborne, infant” was almost certainly a baby/toddler, but there is a chance the word was being used to mean “minor”.
It has been suggested to me before that I may be a descendant of Abraham Hillhouse McCausland and his wife Elizabeth Anderson, because on Familyfinder DNA I match two descendants of Andersons who were probably relatives of the above Elizabeth. The family is very tangled, not as simple as it sounds, and I’m not 100% sure I’ve got that right.
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Hi,
The Mary Haslett (1738-1812) who married Henry Osborne was the daughter of my 4xg grandfather, Henry Haslett. Using a document in PRONI, D1550/162/0/2A, I have a list of their children but none were called Joseph.
Regards
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Oh, interesting, small world. George Speer who's posted here has a (tentative?) line of Altmover Osbornes going back to the 1600s:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=malise&id=I8796
I think it's only in the previous generation that there's Henry in the direct line.
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Does anyone know what (n.c.) means after a Christian name in relation to a Baptismal Record from The Latter Day Saints. Also I see (n.d.) after some Christian names.
Thanks
Glenys
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I had the same problem when I was searching the Drumachose Co I records in Limavady. I asked a number of people, one of whom was a C of I minister but even he didn't know.
I personally think it may stand for Non Conformist i.e. Anyone who did not belong to the Established Church but I could be totally wrong.
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Does anyone know what (n.c.) means after a Christian name in relation to a Baptismal Record from The Latter Day Saints. Also I see (n.d.) after some Christian names.
I had the same problem when I was searching the Drumachose Co I records in Limavady. I asked a number of people, one of whom was a C of I minister but even he didn't know.
I personally think it may stand for Non Conformist i.e. Anyone who did not belong to the Established Church but I could be totally wrong.
Has anyone asked the LDS ?
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Main_Page
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Help:Guiding_principles_and_policies (There's a search box there, perhaps try using keyword 'abbreviations' may be a starting point )
Cheers, JM
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Thanks for the tips. I will reply back when I find out what it means. Maybe it will help someone else.
Glenys
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I recently attended a family history seminar and made an enquiry about the abbreviation n.c.
I was told it meant no charge.
Glenys
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I am wanting some help with a headstone inscription photo. I have tried to copy what I can read. I cannot say if there is Ferguson on it but I think I can read uson and some of the dates could be relevant to the Ferguson's. John is on it. A long shot. It is from Drumachose C of I.
Should I place the photo here hoping someone recognises it or put it on the photograph decipher, restoration site, or both? Thanks for your advice.
Glenys
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I have four transcriptions for Ferguson from this graveyard.
The one with John reads as follows:
FERGUSON Julia D15 Nov 1882 - 22 - John D 13 Sept 1888 - 73 - His wife Mary D 8 Feb 1907 - 86. - Their Dau Margaret D 12 April 1907 - 42
Hope this helps.
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Thank you Cyclamen for replying. I have many records from this church for the Ferguson's. It is linking the family members and I thought if this was a Ferguson headstone it could hold some valuable information. The dates are 1830's , 1850's. What I am after.
The photo is large 5MB. If I reduce it then it will be impossible to read. Any suggestions? If anyone is interested I can send the photo by email.
Glenys
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I found this on old Irish Wills. A Will for James Ferguson 25 April 1791
Does the Parish refer to Christchurch Parish Drumachose?
I assume Janet is his wife and the other names mentioned are his children. Do you agree?
What does Narrate Y p 10 Nov.2 1810 mean?
FERGUSON, JAMES, Kenaghs, parish of Drumachose, Co. Londonderry. 25 April 1791. Narrate Y p. 10 Nov. 2 1810.
To Janet Ferguson all the houses and lands he possessed in the townlands of Kennaughs she keeping his family together provided she did not marry. To his eldest son Rob Ferguson one half of his lands and the other half of his son John, they paying five guineas to his daughters Mary, Janet and Elizabeth Ferguson, and four pounds ten shillings to his daughter Ann Ferguson. Exors. Wm. Ross and John Alexander, Newtown Limavady. Witnesses: John Miller, Bolea, Saml. McClelland and James Ferguson, both of Kenaghts. Memorial witnessed by: said Saml. McClelland and Ed. Boyle, Newtown Limavady. 630,128,431619 John Ferguson (seal) Sworn at Newtown Limavady 1 Nov. 1810.
Thank you.
Glenys
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Sorry to bring this back to the Osbornes again – I did think of posting a new thread, but then I thought it’d have to be in the general Ireland forum, because this strays into Counties Antrim and Down…
I have finally found an exact date for the marriage of my ggg grandparents Samuel Osborne McCausland and Jane Killen:
Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 9 Jul 1825:
At Ballymena, on Tuesday, the 5th inst. by the Rev. Joseph Osborne, of Newtownards, Mr. SAMUEL McCAUSLAND, of Belfast, to JANE, third daughter of Mr. John Killen, Ballymena.
What I’d like to do now is find the church marriage record (if one survives) because I’d like some proof that Samuel’s father was called William (as recorded by family tradition).
Should I be looking to Ballymena or Newtownards?
I was actually looking for newspaper clippings for “Joseph Osborne” when I found the above notice. This is more evidence that the families are linked (again, I lack the proof).
Looking at what I currently have on the Osbornes, it looks like the Rev. Joseph Osborne was either an uncle or a 1st cousin twice removed of my Samuel O McCausland. I shall explain why I’m confused about this on a separate post…
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Staying in Limavady. Can someone please help me here.
Is it possible to view papers and see who owned properties in Limavady between 1700 and 1840 and the names of the people who paid rent to the owners? Were these owners, Estate Owners? Do the records still remain and would they be in PRONI? I am thinking of Catherine Street but not just that one.
What about people who lived between Limavady and Bovevagh? They would have rented their little bit of land also and those bits of land would they have been divided up from a larger estate??? If available is it possible to view the name of the tenants and dates and would they be in PRONI?
Was most of the land only owned by a small number of Estate Owners?
Thank you.
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The whole of the Limavady estate, from Ballyquin on the Dungiven road to the mouth of the river Roe was taken over from the Phillips family by a Mr. Connolly in 1698. I have a map of the whole estate showing the town and the surrounding countryside dated 1699 and giving the names of the tenants and the amount of land they held. If you give me the names you are looking for I will check to see if any come up.
Regards
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Thank you Kingskerwell for your reply. Is there mention of a tenant Robert Ferguson?
I am trying to find any information on Robert Ferguson, who lived in Kenaught, NLimavady and was buried in the Parish of Drumachose on 25 August 1838 at the age of 70. This is all I know of him.
Glenys
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Glenys,
There is no Ferguson listed as renting a property directly from Mr. Connolly in the town but several people rented several properties and undoubtedly sub-let to other tenants. However in the section entitled "Parkes of Newtoun Lemavadie 1699" there are two Fergusons, James Fferguson who rented land of 6 acres and 15 perches and a William Fforgison who rented 5 acres 2 roods and 14 perches of arable land and 5 acres 3 roods and 18 perches of bog and heath.
note - I have used the original spelling. It may be significant that these properties are adjacent to one another on either side of a track which would be Irishgreen Street today and approximately where the Roman Catholic church stands.
Regards
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Thanks Kingskerswell. Love the spelling of Newtoun Lemavadie. Interesting that these two properties are adjacent to each other.
Any idea of the population of Limavady around 1700?
Still looking for information on Robert Ferguson, who lived in Kenaught, NLimavady and was buried in the Parish of Drumachose on 25 August 1838 at the age of 70. This is all I know of him.
Regards
Glenys
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I am trying to find information on Alexander Ferguson born 18 October 1846. Son of William Leckey Ferguson born 31.3.1805 & Mary Jane Given.
When William Leckey Ferguson, Mary Jane & some of their children arrived in Australia in 1863 it states that Alexander didn't come out with them. He was married and remained in Ireland. Then I see it is written he died 29 December 1874 in Ipswich.
I found a record for a daughter named Anne being born to a Alexander & Elisabeth Ferguson at Drumachose on 16.9.1874. Not sure if this the same Alexander.
Then there is this death in Queensland just over 3 months later so not sure if it is the same person, taking into account the travel time, but not knowing the circumstances or movements of the above Alexander and Elisabeth at this time.
If anyone can help if there were other children and did they survive or if they know anything on Alexander I would be very appreciative.
Many thanks Glenys
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This record? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5TT-8MY
No such birth showing in GRONI’s database or Irish Genealogy
The closest birth registration is this one-
Annie Ferguson, born 9 June 1874 Ballyclose Limavady, parents Alexander (loom tenter) & Annie McKay
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03153/2156801.pdf
I also can't find a marriage for Alexander Ferguson (son of William Lecky Ferguson) in the Newtownlimavady area 1863 or earlier. Closest one is this couple-
Alexander Ferguson to Margaret Jane Moore (1863 Coleraine district) but his father is a Frederick Ferguson.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZW-HRR
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Aghadowey, thank you for the links you sent me. I will look over them.
Glenys
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Hi Cyclamen,
Could you possibly post transcriptions of the other headstones you mentioned. I photographed a Ferguson headstone at Christchurch, Drumachose, with the names Elizabeth, Matthew and James, but I can't make out any other details, so would love to know more.
The family for the transcription you posted is John Ferguson, born c1815, lived in Ballykelly, occupation, Mason. He married Mary Glenn, born c1827 (death cert says she was 80 when she died, not 86). Their daughter Margaret was born on 20 Nov 1864, and her death was registered by a married sister called Isabella Hunter. I have not yet traced Isabella's marriage. Mary and Margaret were living in house number 19, Ballykelly at the time of the 1901 Census.
I have four transcriptions for Ferguson from this graveyard.
The one with John reads as follows:
FERGUSON Julia D15 Nov 1882 - 22 - John D 13 Sept 1888 - 73 - His wife Mary D 8 Feb 1907 - 86. - Their Dau Margaret D 12 April 1907 - 42
Hope this helps.
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FYI
As I have just stated in a pm to princess41 (Glynis) I was mistaken in my last posting about my lines having a proven DNA link to William Leckey Ferguson. The link is actually to the descendants of Robert Ferguson (c1832-1882) who married Sarah Ann Johnston in 1856 in Londonderry and emigrated to Australia.
I do suspect a link to the William Lecky Ferguson branch, but this has yet to be substantiated, so I do not want to confuse or mislead anybody else researching any of these Ferguson families.
Apologies,
Fiona
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Princess41,
My great great grandmother was Jane Cunningham (nee Ferguson). Jane was born at Gortnessy in 1829 and married Samuel Cunningham at Gortnessy Meeting House, Glendermott on 17 Feb 1847. She died in 1893.
Jane was the daughter of Daniel (1789-1862) and Hannah Ferguson (as far as I know nee Hassan but I am not certain of that). They married about 1809 or 1810 I think. Daniel was born in Argyll, Scotland in 1789, and died in 1862. Hannah was born, possibly in Wales, in 1792 and died in 1870, but again I am not 100% certain that I have the correct Hannah.
Does this sound like one of your Fergusons?
Cheers,
Terry
I descend from Jane's sister Agnes Ferguson. I am trying to confirm the parentage of Daniel Ferguson and Hannah Hassen, as well as determine who the parents of Daniel and Hannah are. Some records say that Agnes' parents were born in Ireland, others say Scotland. Have you gotten anywhere on this?
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To save double ups and repetition of search effort there is another Ferguson thread here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=811819.0
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There is a separate thread for the work that Kristen2344 is doing to research the Daniel Ferguson/Hannah Hassan links to her family ie Agnes Ferguson Sandersfield.
This is the link.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=862933.new#new