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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: jonwicken on Monday 26 September 11 00:29 BST (UK)
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Sorry for a second post in the same day, but I have just come across some information which may lead to the origins of an elusive ancestor.
Henry Pritty (born before c1742) married Margaret Panks and lived in Southwold. However as yet I have been unable to find his baptism.
However I have just found what appears to be his son Henry Pritty junior (born 1776 in Southwold) aprenticed to a George Pritty, butcher, of 'Wastleton', presumably Westleton, in 1791. As Westleton is only six miles away from Southwold it would seem this is where Henry may have come from.
There are the following burials on the Suffolk burial website for Pritty family members in Westleton:
George PRITTY 23/Jan/1763 inf Westleton
Elizabeth PRITTY 31/Jan/1768 inf Westleton
Elizabeth PRITTY 13/Nov/1772 inf Westleton
Charles PRITTY 1/Mar/1790 92 senr; wdr Westleton
John PRITTY 3/Dec/1794 bch Westleton
Daniel PRITTY 14/Feb/1794 inf Westleton
John PRITTY 8/Jul/1800 mar man Westleton
Susan PRITTY 3/Aug/1808 mar woman Westleton
George PRITTY Westleton 22/Jun/1823 88 Westleton
I would assume the George who died in 1823 is the one to whom Henry junior was apprenticed.
There are no Westleton baptisms or marriages however on the IGI that I can see, so I assume they have not been added to the database.
If anyone has access to the Westleton parish registers and could therefore have a look for a Henry Pritty/Pretty I would be most grateful.
Many thanks,
Jon
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Hi Jon
I searched the Westleton baptisms today from 1726-1745 but could not see any Pritty (variations) at all, sorry.
Anne
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HI Jonwicken, not directly related to yr family but you may be interested to hear info about westleton. I recently visited Westleton and it is a thriving well kept village with thatched church, pond, two smashing pubs with accomodation, bookshop, its lovely place. The churchyard is full of graves with names like Rebecca, Rachel, Isaac, Moses from 1750 + & at first I wondered if there was jewish connection but what happened in those days was many suffolk people were actively non-conformist, preferring orginal biblical names and simple services (check out walpole chapel on internet) this was a big part of the history of that part of the country (also some Cromwell links) so to understand the history of our families in those days its good to know something about this topic (google nonconformism 18th C England or similar).
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DollyBee - we were a very pious, non conformist county ::)
Did you realise that dear Bob's bookshop is housed in the former Methodist Chapel?
Most of the villages had their own non-conformist chapels, often the large villages and small towns had several, Congregational, Baptist, Methodist, Wesleyan Methodist, Primitive Methodist, Unitarian etc etc.
By the way, non-conformists usually have their own section of the churchyard for burials, the Anglican worshippers of the church would be elsewhere. In some cases, you find there is a brick wall in the churchyard with non-conformist buried on the other side of the wall.
Pat ...
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Thanks so much for looking Anne, you really are my Suffolk Saviour at the moment. Thanks also to the other interesting posts about Westleton.
As there are no baptism entries for the period 1725-1745, I assume that the family moved here from elsewhere at some point prior to 1763, when the first burial takes place.
I have found a Henry Pretty born c1791-1792 in Westleton on the census, so I would assume he was probably a son of George or John. Charles senior could perhaps have been George's father.
Not sure what all their relationships were to each other yet, but hopefully some more digging will unearth something.
Thanks again,
Jon
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The following may be of interest to you.
In my researches into the Fletcher tree I have found a Sarah Fletcher nee Pritty b. 4 April 1792 Middleton Suffolk. She married my 3xG grandfather William. They are buried in Middleton Churchyard. Sarah died in 1835.
Regards
Clive
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Thanks for this Clive. Do you happen to know the parents' names?
Kind regards,
Jon
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Any help ?
The Bury and Norwich Post, March 09, 1858;
Death on the 22 nd inst at Southwold aged 88 Ann relict of Mr Henry Pritty
1851 HO107; Piece: 1803; Folio: 854; Page: 25
Southwold
Ann Pritty 78 lodging house keeper b Pakefield
An addition to the results page gives the name Ann Colby
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Dear Jon
Sorry at this stage I do not have any further info at this moment as I have only just discovered Sarah. I will be in touch as soon as I have anything.
Regards
Clive
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OK thanks Clive and thanks wilcoxon for the newspaper article.
This Ann Colby/Pritty was the sister-in-law of my ancestor George Pritty (1784-1861).
It is interesting that three of George's siblings (Henry Pritty, Susanna Pritty and half sister Maria Panks) married three siblings from the Colby family. The Ann you post about was one of them.
I have yet to find a burial for their father Henry Pritty which I would expect to have taken place at Southwold. However no burial seems to be there. His second wife was however buried there in 1826.
Henry married his first wife in 1763 so must have been born before c1742. His last known child was born in 1784 so he died after this date.
There is a Henry Pritty who with Priscilla Critten was witness to the marriage of John Sterry and Mary Strange at Southwold on 24 June 1796. I would assume this was him but it could have been his son who was born in 1776.
I am hoping that the Suffolk parish registers will all appear online at some point for me to have a look through the images.
Kind regards and thanks,
Jon
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Hi, My name's Tom (Thomas) Pritty from Birmingham.
We know that my grandfather, John Pritty, came here from the Hackney area of London, but his precedents came from Suffolk, around Hollesley/Rendlesham.
One of his forefathers was Haile Pritty, who lived in Rendlesham and married Sarah Read (daughter of John Read) there at the parish church in 1843.
Haile's father was John Pritty (as on marriage certificate).
Does anyone know something about this branch of the Pritty family?
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Hi Tim,
I have actually got your Haile Pritty in my research as I believe his family originally came from the Westleton area and as I think my Pritty line probably do too, I have researched them.
However Haile was baptised in Hollesley on 20 October 1822 to John and Sarah Pretty. Haile is in fact living with his father on the 1861 census and this places John Pritty's birth in Westleton in 1778/9.
However the 1851 census for Rendlesham - where John is living next door to his son with a grandson Charles Parker - shows he was born in Worlington. I don’t know which is correct but the mention of Westleton shows he was presumably connected there. Other evidence I will list later seems to confirm this.
The 1841 census for Haile’s father John Pritty in Rendlesham (where his name has been transcribed as Rittey) shows the above Charles Parker in his house (but curiously in a separate household). I have no idea who Charles Parkers parents were although his mother must have been a daughter of John’s.
Also in John’s house are two females with the Pritty name, who it would be supposed were John’s daughters. One is Mahalia Pritty aged 15 and the other Charlotte Pritty aged 20. I assume they were his daughters but Charlotte comes after Mahalia on the census so could have been a different relative.
Also the census enumerator appears to have written in pencil on the form first in the top part of the line and then written in pen after. To me the age of Charlotte looks different to 20 in the pencil version (perhaps 30?) so there could be a possible question mark over her.
Anyway regardless of this the name Mahalia along with the name Haile are big indicators of other family relationships to Pritty lines in the area.
The name Haile is so unusual it must surely be derived from Hailestone Pritty/Pretty, of which two men also bore this name in the area. One Hailestone Pretty was baptised in Eye in 1752 to James Pretty and his wife Anne Daye, while the other was baptised in Westleton in 1799 to John & Elizabeth Pretty.
The name Mahalia is another clue for there is a Mahala Pritty baptised in Eye in 1772 to Robert Pretty and Mary Plamkin. However this does appear to be a more common name in Suffolk than you would imagine. The Hailestone forename, however does seem very unusual.
I have been putting together a tree of these Pritty lines but will not put them here as these are very tentative at this stage.
However we know from a post in this thread that there were no baptisms for Prittys in Westleton between 1725-1745. I therefore think that this Pritty family originated in Eye, then after 1745 a branch moved to Westleton and then another branch (mine) moved on to Southwold.
Only the later parish registers for Westleton may assist further, but aside from burials, the baptisms and marriages do not appear to have been fully transcribed.
Please do let me know your thoughts.
Kind regards,
Jon
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Also just come across this website which states what records survive for Suffolk and what has been transcribed:
http://www.sterryworldwide.com/suffbdm.htm
Westleton St Peter (Baptisms 1662-1667, 1672-1810-PR [Note: Baptisms 1780-1799 almost illegible]; Baptisms 1813-1837-PR; Baptisms 1857-1864-IGI; Marriages 1545-1748-Modern Transcript; Marriages 1545-1750-Boyd's; Marriages 1750-1812-PR; Burials 1704-1760, 1774-1774 1779-PR; Burials 1545-1899-NBI; Burials 1545-1899-SUI)
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Hi Jon
I've had another look at the Westleton parish registers today (post 1745) but the writing is quite illegible in places - several pages on the fiche are totally unreadable. The following was all I could manage to glean, I'm afraid.
George Pritty infant buried 23rd Jan 1763 (I looked back for his baptism but just could not see it, sorry)
Susanna d/o George Pritty and Susanna his wife baptised 25th Dec 1764
Elizabeth d/o George Pritty and Susanna his wife baptised 15th May 1769
Elizabeth Pritty infant buried 31st January 1768
Elizabeth Pritty infant buried 13th november 1772
James s/o John and Elizabeth Pritty baptised Feb 8th 1787
Daniel s/o the above May 17th 1789
(I'm sure there were probably more baptisms within this gap but just couldn't read them)
Mary d/o the above Oct 15th 1797
Hailstone s/o the above Feb 17th 1799
Henry s/o the above 7th March 1802
John Pritty OTP SM
Elizabeth Bunn OTP SW
Married by banns the 11th day of February 1778
Both signed X
In presence of Joseph Bullen (X) James Blowfield (signed)
Banns 25th Jan, 1st Feb, 8th Feb 1778
I checked a couple of times but the marriage of George and Susanna Pritty does seem to have been at Westleton.
I can see from the posts above that you already have some of this information but hopefully you might be able to find something new here.
Anne
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I'm very grateful for the information you've both passed on. When I have more time I'll look further into it. Thank you - Tom
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Hi Jon and Tom
I had time for a fleeting visit to the RO whilst in town this morning so took a look at Rendlesham for you.
The following is all extracted from Rendlesham parish register.
Charlotte d/o William and Mary Pritty bap 11th March 1832
Mary Anne d/o William and Mary Pretty bap 3rd Jan 1830
William s/o William and Mary Pretty bap 3rd Nov 1834
Hezekiah s/o William and Mary Pretty bap 19th November 1837
Hannah d/o William and Mary Ann Pritty of Eyke bap 21st May 1843
Charles s/o William and Lucy Parker of Ashbocken (sic) bap 15th April 1832
Rachel d/o Haile and Sarah Pretty bap 12th Nov 1843
Harriet d/o Haile and Sarah Pretty bap 8th June 1845
John s/o the above bap 4th Apr 1847
Robert s/o the above bap 24th June 1849
Charles s/o the above bap 10th March 1851
Charles s/o Hales and Sarah Pritty bap 24th May 1853
Amy (?) d/o the above bap 10th June 1855
Emma d/o the above privately baptised 21st November 1858
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Also from Rendlesham parish register.
William Pretty SM OTP
Mary Butcher SW OTP
Married by banns 8th June 1829
Both signed X
In presence of Richard Manthorp (signed) and Jemima Pretty (X)
Haile Pretty - full age - labourer - SM
Sarah Reader - full age - servant - SW
Both of the parish of Rendlesham
He signed his name she signed X
Married 12th November 1843
Fathers: John Pretty labourer, John Read labourer
In presence of: Samuel Newson (X) and Charlotte Pretty (X)
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Hi Anne,
Thanks so very much for all this additional information. It really has helped me work out some of the Pretty relationships alot better.
The only confusion I really have is the Henry baptised in 1802 as there is a Henry born c1791/2 who according to the census was baptised in Westleton. He married Mary Ann Aldred in Frostenden in 1812.
Due to his place of birth as Westleton on the 1851 census, I assumed he was the son of John Pritty and Elizabeth Bunn. However with this 1802 baptism he can't be, unless he was baptised aged ten.
Regarding your line Tom, it seems to be me that given your ancestor's name as Haile and his own name as John, that he is most probably the eldest son of John Pritty and Elizabeth Bunn born c1780. His baptism is probably in the illegible part of the parish registers.
When John married is not known so his wife Sarah's maiden name is unknown, but the marriage from their ages musthave taken palce between c1795-1805 as their first known child William was baptised in Hollesley in 1806.
The John who married Elizabeth Bunn in 1777 it would seem must be the John born in Eye in 1754. The reason for this being that this John had a brother called Hailstone born in 1752.
If correct then your line would go back one step further to James Pretty who married Anne Daye in Eye in 1746.
We know that the Pretty family only appears at Westleton in 1763 and I think that my presumed line with Charles Pritty (c1698-1790) and George Pritty (c1735/6-1824) may well have come from Hoxne.
My ancestor was Henry Pretty of Southwold and I believe he was probably the brother of George as his son Henry Pritty junior was apprenticed to this George of Westleton.
Now in Hoxne (3 miles from Eye) there is a Charles Pretty who with his wife Elizabeth had children there between 1729 to 1748. Amongst them is a Henry Pretty born in 1731 and a George Pritty born in 1736. These could well fit the assumed aforementioned brothers.
However this is still at the early stages of working things out as there is a burial of a Charles Pritty in Hoxne in 1769 which could be him and scupper the 1790 burial in Westleton identification.
I am hoping that maybe the burial of Charles' wife Elizabeth at Hoxne in 1780 (the age on her burial placing her birth year as c1704/5) may state she was a married woman, rather than a widow.
If so it would strengthen the probability that Charles Pretty and his sons Henry and George ended up in Westleton and Southwold and were originally from the Hoxne/Eye area.
Hopefully this may become clearer in future, as might the connection between our two Pretty families.
Thanks so much again Anne for you help and do let me know how your research goes Tom.
Kind regards,
Jon
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Hi there Im doing some research on the Prittys, for my friend, Julie Pritty, she is daughter of John Pritty, whose the son of Frank Pritty,son of John Pritty, all with ties to Aston and Birmingham, we believe he married a Nellie Gould and there are a few siblings whose names seem to tie in, shes just starting up on this, and says she remembers her grandad saying one of her relatives played football called Tom Pritty, all of this seems to match up, could you please help us out if possible, thanks Jo xx
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Hi Jo,
Sorry I have no knowledge at all of your lines as I am only concentrating on the Suffolk lines and this is a thread in the Suffolk rootschat forum.
I would suggust posting a message up on the Warwickshire forum, the link is below:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,38.0.html
I would however give more details with dates and so on about the people you are looking for.
However it sounds to me as if the information you have is too recent for any rootschat posters to be able to help you much.
Good luck with your research.
Kind regards,
Jon
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Hi joflowo, (and anyone else interested) hope you get this message as its quite an old thread I'm resurrecting.
My Grandfather was Thomas Francis Pritty born Aston, Birmingham 1911. His brother George was born 1915 and played for both Aston Villa and Notts Forest.
Their father was John Pritty who was born in the parish of St Pancras London around 1881(which was listed at that time as Middlesex). John Pritty married Ellen (Nellie) Gould in Aston, Birmingham. John Pritty died 1930, Ellen Gould 1969.
PrittyTom who has posted some way down the thread is my Uncle, grandson of John Pritty.
If I can help at all please post :)
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Just to register my own Pritty/Pretty interest ...
Maria Pretty/Pritty married John Vincent in Weybread in 1802. They are my great-great-great-grandparents. I haven't been able to pursue her own ancestors but she could be the daughter of Charles and Elizabeth IF (big IF!) she was the one baptized over the river in Brockdish, Norfolk.
Their son George was born in Fressingfield in 1804. (Not the 1807 George with whom he seems to be frequently confused!).
Thanks everyone.
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It’s been 4 years since the last posting on this thread but I am new to the Pretty line. Just last month, via DNA, I determined that my husband’s great grandfather John Pratt (1818-1904) was actually born John Pretty. He was baptized 13 Sep 1818 in Westleton. His parents were James Pretty/Elizabeth Algar who md there 14 Jul 1818. (I have not seen the original registrations – took info off transcriptions on Ancestry.com.) The family had 6 more children all baptized in Westleton: James 1821, Emily 1823, William 1825, Harriet 1828, Susan 1831 and Henry 1832.
In 1836 the family was transported under the Suffolk Poor Law Union in 1836 to Canada. https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/canada/PLU-Emigrants1836.shtml
The eldest son (my husband’s great-grandfather) was married as John Pratt and retained and passed down the name Pratt. The second son went by James Pratty and later settled in Michigan. The sons William and Henry continued using the surname Pretty. One stayed in Ontario and the other moved to Texas. The daughters all married. All the siblings have descendants who match my husband’s DNA. One daughter named her son Elgar (not Algar). The name Algar was aka Augar.
Given that James Pretty/Elizabeth Algar named their eldest son John, and using the information I’ve gleaned from the prior posting, it would appear that James Pretty b about 1785 was the son of John Pretty b abt 1754 who married Elizabeth Bunn in 1777.
I’ve also been able link my husband’s DNA to descendants of a Jemima Pretty b1795 Westleton who md James Watling in 1814 Westleton. I suspect Jemima to be daughter of John Pretty/Elizabeth Bunn. That family remained in Suffolk.
I also suspect that Hailstone Pretty b 1799 Westleton who md Phoebe Lenney in Westhall in 1822 and then married Charlotte Gooch about 1850 may also be son of John Pretty/Elizabeth Bunn.
Since James Pretty b 1785 disappears from Suffolk in 1836, there would be no descendants in UK searching for him. But it might help others to know that the family emigrated and that two sons revised the spelling of their name to Pratt and Pratty respectively.
Diane Wilson Pratt
Petaluma, CA
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Hi, I'm Tom (Thomas)Pritty, who posted earlier. My father was Thomas Pritty of Nechells, Birmingham, and his father John came from Hackney in London.
I have now traced our lineage back the small town of Eye, going back to Thomas Pritty/Pretty in 1480.
It seems that several generations of Pritty ancestors are buried in the churchyard of the beautiful church in Eye. I found that there were 3 generations of Thomas's back at that time, 500 years ago, with no more Thomas's in that line until now, when there are once again, 3 generations of Thomas's (myself, my father and my son).
If anyone is interested I can give more details.
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Eye is in Suffolk, which seems to be the root area of the Pritty/Pretty clan in the UK.
This area was settled by Anglo Saxons, probably Angles, perhaps around 500 A.D.
Of course it is interesting that the great archaeological discovery at Sutton Hoo in Suffolk was found on land belonging to Elizabeth Pretty.
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Ted Pretty here..my 3rd Great Grandfather was Francis Pretty/Pritty (1808-1885)..an engraver in Lanark, Scotland. His wife was named Janet Lindsay.
My 4th Great Grandfather was Lionel Pritty (1762-1828) from Scotland. His wife was named Anne Frazer.
This is where the search goes cold.
Does Lionel Pritty of Scotland come up in any searches? I cannot find any information on his parents or the parents of his wife, Anne Frazer.
Thank you!