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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: redhugh on Thursday 29 September 11 19:22 BST (UK)
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Have located our Hughs family, after 10+ years of searching. They are from Wicklow...have a baptism record that states, Mullinaskea, in Parish/District of Killaveney...They were Roman Catholic. There were three sons born to James and Julia Redmond Hughs, Thomas, about 1838...John, about 1839...and Andrew, born 1841. James then immigrated to Elmsley, Leeds, Ontario, Canada around 1845. There is a Patrick Hughs and wife Margaret Lacy (Lacey) and a Thomas Hughs and wife Ellen, who immigrated to the same area, about the same time, also from Wicklow. If there are any Hughs out there who wish to know something of what happened to their families after they left Ireland, please get in touch.
I would appreciate some assistance in locating the exact area of Wicklow that Mullinaskea would be located in???? Not sure but think it is a Townland??? one site I found listed Tinahely, Arklow..as part of the location...is this correct??
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Killaveney RC parish is to the west of Arklow parish and covers the civil parish of Kilpipe, which is split between counties Wicklow and Wexford.
I dont see a townland named Mullinaskea in the parish though... maybe it's mistranscribed ? See the townland database at : www.thecore.com/seanruad
Shane
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not in Kilpipe Civil parish, but the closest match I can find is Mullannaskeagh
Townland : Mullannaskeagh
Acres : 263
Barony : Ballinacor South
Civil Parish : Kilcommon
PLU : Shillelagh
County : Wicklow
Kilcommon civil parish is immediately to the west of Kilpipe... so could be close. I'll try to locate it on the OSI map to see how close it is to the parish border..
Shane
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Mullannaskeagh on the OSI Map - link (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,700273,677692,5,7)
It's located on the road between Tinahealy and Hackettstown, and just to the north of Whiterock - link (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Barton+Street,+Tinahely,+Ireland&daddr=whiterock&hl=en&ll=52.813761,-6.490688&spn=0.048764,0.159988&sll=52.822175,-6.339055&sspn=0.195018,0.639954&geocode=FYGjJQMd8Fmd_ylddaml8e1nSDHwc_vBrzlspg%3BFVMRJgMdroCc_ykp5m5U9vJnSDES2Ta7p8cAJg&vpsrc=6&mra=ls&t=m&z=13) (Google Map)
The townland is located approximately 10km to the north west of Kilpipe civil parish, the border of which is to the south east of Tinahealy town.
Shane
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Thanks for the information...am wondering if the townland borders have always been the same? Also wondering what the name means??
Because we couldn't find a baptism record for Thomas or John, it was suggested that they may have been baptized in Wexford, which makes sense if the parish covered parts of both counties.
The spelling of the surname can be confusing. Hughs was also listed as Hues on one census in Canada and I have seen it as Hews...as well as Hughes. Noticed that my Great Grandfather used the Hughs version on the first US census after immigrating to the US but after that it was Hughes. I think they could read and write, so it seems they knew what they were doing when they used the Hughs version while in Canada, as it seems to be used also on the records I have found in Wicklow. Did that same thing happen in Ireland? I can't find any Hughs when I search in today's Wicklow???
It is really great to at least be able to look at the place on a map...never thought it would happen!! Thanks again!
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Hi,
I'm a native to the Killaveney area with Hughes ancestry. I noticed that the parents of Andrew Hughs in the birth record are listed as James Hughes and Judy Redmond (rather than Julia as in your post). I did a check and can see there was a further baptism to the same parents in the Killaveney parish, a daughter Susan in 1834. It may be worth checking this record on rootsireland.ie to see if it gives further information.
I've traced my own Hughes line to Rathshanmore East which is in the Hacketstown Parish not far from Mullanaskeagh. I know that some members of that family emigrated to North America in the Fitzwilliam clearances.
Hope this helps,
Shane
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It would be great if our Hughes lines intersected! It is possible...do you have your tree on-line? Mine is at Ancestry..could send you an invitation..if you go on-line and look for Elmsley, Leeds, Ontario you will find information about the Irish that settled there..many were part of the Fitzwilliam group..again, thanks..Peg
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I was pretty amazed to find this thread as I've also got Hughes (and Lyons) from Carlow/Wicklow.
Looking for the parents of Thomas Hughes, who married Mary Lyons 2 Nov. 1865 in Rathvilly. His father's name is Patrick, and that's about all I've found.
Thomas and Mary had 5 children: Mary, Dora, Patrick, James and Thomas.
They emigrated to New Brunswick NJ in the 1880's.
I know Mary's parents were Luke Lyons and Betty Stewart. I'm looking to see if Patrick Hughes and Betty Moore,married 11 May 1839 in Rathshanmore, had a son Thomas. They had William, and William Hughes and Elizabeth Hughes sponsored Thomas's daughter Mary in 1866.
I guess Thomas s/o Patrick and Margaret Lacy has been claimed.
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@Peg
My sincere apologies, I never saw a notification for your response in October :(
I'm trying to get my family tree online at the moment. I'd love to see your family tree on Ancestry, if you could send an invitation to *.
I have made some more progress lately on the family having seen the Fitzwilliam records at the National Library in Dublin. There are tenant and rental records which should give more information on your family. Unfortunately I do not have the records for the Mullanaskeagh area, but I hope to visit the library again soon so I could look these up.
@Kyushukev
I have tenant records for Rathshanmore for 1827, 1839, 1848 and 1850 but the only Hughes there is Terence Hughes, my ancestor. However, in Rathbawn which is an adjacent townsland there are several Hughes, including 3 Patrick Hughes, a Thomas Hughes and a William Hughes in the 1827 and 1839 listings (unfortunately I do not have the Rathbawn listings for the subsequent years, but these could help answer your question.) You can see these families on the Griffiths Evaluation site:
http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
These families are certainly related to my own as the names all match.
In Rathbawn in 1839 there is a Patrick Hughes, a labourer aged 30 and single - this could well be the Patrick who married Betty Moore the same year. I note from the Hacketstown parish records that Patrick Hughes and Betty Moore also had a son called Laurence in 1842. This is a name that is continued in my own branch of the Hughes.
In Rathshanmore in 1848 there is a Christopher Moore (a labourer aged 40 with a wife aged 24 and one son living at the house).
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Thanks for the quick reply and information, Shane.
Here's my gedcom if you're interested:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=kevrik
I see Laurence married Mary Sweeney and had a William and maybe 6 other children, while I can only find Laurence and William for Patrick and Betty. My kingdom for a Thomas!
Sponsor names haven't been that much help; Moore hasn't shown up in Thomas' children.
Mary-William Hughes & Elizabeth Hughes
Dora-James Doyle & Bridget Dolan
Patrick- Patrick Lyons & Nannie Dunn
James- John Delaney & Elizabeth Lyons
Thomas- William Nolan & Anne Maher
All are in Rathvilly.
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It would seem quite unusual for a catholic family in Ireland at this time to have only 2 children. This was around the time of the famine and it's possible that Patrick and Betty may have been evicted. The RC baptismal records for Carlow are not online so they may have had more children in another parish, possibly a Thomas.
Incidentally, the Patrick Hughes I mentioned that was living in Rathbawn in 1839 was the son of Thomas and Mary Hughes.
I'll check the Rathbawn records for 1848 onwards next time I'm in the NLI to see if the family stayed in the area.
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Thanks again for the help and support. Some years ago I wrote to Carlow, and they found 3 Thomas Hughes births with a father Pat:
1835 Rathvilly mother = Mary Ryan, no siblings found.
1836 Carlow town, mother = Sally Murphy, 2 siblings - Mary 1833 & Patrick 1841
1838 Tullow, mother = Mary Kealy, 1 sibling - Patrick 1841
FYI, there are some Carlow baptisms up until 1835 here:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Baptism_Rathvilly_24.htm
I also thought to check out the name Dora. Unfortunately, Roots Ireland doesn't let you search first names, but I found these:
Church Baptism Darcy Dorothy 1804 Co. Wicklow RATHVILLY (RC)
Church Baptism Moore Dorothy 1798 Co. Wicklow RATHVILLY (RC)
Darcy (as sponsors-so far)and Moore are connected to Pat Hughes and Betty Moore.
Church Baptism Hughs Dorothy 1829 Co. Wicklow AVOCA (RC) Father: Pat
and a Dorothy also in 1869 (like my Dora), in Arklow.
It's not a common name.
Thanks again and take care.
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I think I have a connection in my search for the parents of Thomas Hughes, with the last
two Patricks standing being Patrick in Tullow and Patrick in Clonmore.
I think the Thomas (m. 1865) and Patrick (m.1864) married in Rathvilly are brothers; both
name their father Patt (minor point: Patrick's age matches).
Mary Barret is a witness at both weddings.
Patrick and Thomas named their first sons (in order)Patrick and James.
It looks like baptismal sponsors William Nolan (Thomas) and Kate Nolan (Patrick)are
husband and wife (married in Rathvilly 1859).
Pat in Tullow has the advantage of a recorded Thomas (1838); I'd have to trust fate for
Pat in Clonmore. I only see Patrick b.1843 for them.
Thomas named his first daughter Mary, which is also Patrick in Tullow's wife, Mary
Kealy.(Pat in Clonmore married Margaret Lacy)
This makes Thomas born in 1838 in Tullow, mother = Mary Kealy, 1 sibling - Patrick 1841.
It appears that Martin Hughes in Rathvilly is family; I still think it's his children
that sponsor Thomas' first daughter Mary in 1866
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That's some great detective work!
It would probably be worth checking these families in the Griffith's Evaluation and Tithe Applotment records to see if any of the other family names you have in those records were living in close proximity.
I've also been looking at the Landed Estate Court Rental records lately - you can find these on findmypast.ie. If you are lucky your ancestors may have been the main tenants and the details of their lease would contain information on the previous generations.
Good luck with your search!
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I enjoyed reading the posts concerning the Rathbawn Hughes families.
My gg grandfather's 1845 marriage record (Tyendinaga township, Hastings Co, Ontario)
states that he was the son of William Hughes and Anne Gibbons from Hacketstown Parish,
County Wicklow. His name was Michael Hughes and he came to Canada with his brother Timothy.
Michael died in the early 1850's and Timothy died in Michigan in 1890 with age listed as 72.
We believe that they were sons of the Rathbawn William Hughes though the definitive record has yet to be found.
My uncle was able to look through estate records some years back. Also, I did have somebody
look for Michael and Timothy in the records concerning the Fitzwilliam clearances - no luck - though I think that time frame was be a bit later than I would need.
Best wishes -- Mark Hughes
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Hi Mark,
Good to hear from you.
I'd say the fact that your gg grandfather listed his parents being from Hacketstown Parish, Co. Wicklow would mean they are most likely the Rathbawn Hughes. The Hacketstown RC parish covers parts of Counties Carlow and Wicklow so luckily you can eliminate any Hughes from the Carlow side.
Given the dates it seems like the baptism of your Michael Hughes would have been too early for the Hacketstown parish records which started in the mid 1820s. I did a quick check on the rootsireland website for any baptism records for the Hacketstown RC parish with the parents' surnames Hughes + Gibbons but unfortunately there were none.
Just to let you know what the tenant records list for Rathbawn:
1827 - William Hughes aged 54, farmer with 10 acres, 2 roods and 3 perches. Living with his wife aged 44, 4 sons and 3 daughters. There are also several sub-tenants on the land, namely:
Michael Doyle, 31, Labourer + wife and 4 daughters
Patrick Hughes, 50, Weaver + wife, 2 sons and 1 daughter
Bridget Connors, 70
1839 - William Hughes aged 64, farmer, same land. No wife listed so she must have died in the intervening years, 4 sons and 2 daughters. No sub-tenants listed.
Also:
1827 - Edward and Fergus Gibbons living in Rathbawn. Fergus was 45, wife 43, 2 sons and 4 daughters. Also Catherine Gibbons, widow aged 38.
In 1839, Fergus is listed as being 54, wife 52, 3 sons and 6 daughters. Catherine is listed, again as a widow, and 40 years of age (the ages are not always accurate as you may have noticed she only aged 2 years in 12!)
Hope this helps in your research,
Shane
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Thank you, Shane. Your help is much appreciated ! The records you cite are
very interesting. I'll have to look through the parish records again,
but going from my uncle's previous work, the other sons were named
Patrick and Laurence. (I noticed your mention of a Patrick of the same generation
who was a son of Thomas, so I may have a mistake here.) Years ago, my
uncle (Larry Hughes) was in contact with another Larry Hughes who was
descended from the Rathbawn family. I believe he was living in England.
Thanks again - take care --- Mark
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Dear Shane and RedHugh,
I am excited to reach out here to you. RedHugh, we are DNA matches.. 4/5th cousins on Ancestry. I am thinking we may be connected through your Hughes/ Wicklow - James Hughes' line - his father James Hughes married to Eleonor Kerevan of Killaveny.
Here's what I know -- my great x2 grandfather was Matthew Hughes of Ballysallagh, Hackettstown, Carlow. He married my great x2 grandmother in Killaveny - Mary Byrne. I don't know his parents - not listed / no found records. I have Matthew's marriage cert and death cert. b. about 1821 d 21 Sept 1891. No know burial location. I've worked with a local Carlow-based genealogist and exhausted as much as I could (we think) and the DNA let me here.
Matthew and Mary had 4 known children - Thomas b 1846, Peter b. 1848-d 1922 (NY), Susan b 1851, Margaret, b 1856. Peter was my great grandfather.. emmigrated to New York - Brooklyn.
RedHugh, I am trying to find the link between my Matthew Hughes and your James Hughes (Snr) b. abt 1785- married to Eleanor Kerevan. I am wondering if James was his father, Eleanor his mother. . . and if Matthew is another sibling of James b 1806, Patrick b 1815. John Peter b. 1839, Mary b.?
Shane might you have any ideas here? I find it interesting that the name Susan shows up as my Matthew's daughter, and the name Susan is repeated a few times in RedHugh's tree (descendants of James Hughes 1785). And Matthew marries in Killaveny before living in Ballysallagh when the kids are born by 1846 a lead? And the name Thomas repeats.
I'd love to finally find the birth record of Matthew Hughs abt 1821 somewhere! Been searching for many years.. feet on the ground in Ballysallagh, through Hackettstown. I visited the church in Killaveny where he and my great x2 grandmother married.
I look forward to hearing from you both.. and Thanks in advance :) Veronica
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I have enjoyed all the posts and information! It has been awhile since I have been on. Thanks to you, Shane, I stepped foot on my GGrandparents home land...not once but twice! Am so pleased to now have a DNA connection (to Veronica)...makes it even better. The names; Susan, Thomas, James, Laurence, Patrick, Elaine, Elizabeth, Alice and Margaret are all showing up over and over again. Must have some meaning!! Glad to be back!