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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Seoras on Wednesday 05 October 11 12:23 BST (UK)
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Anyone about who is related to Alexander Watt Beveridge born about 1835 in Torryburn,Fife and his wife Elizabeth born about 1839 Dunfermline? They lived in Edinburgh 1891 and 1901 census.
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Hi George :)
Not what you are asking I know! Have you come across his and wife Elizabeth's burial details www.rootschat.com/links/0fdo/
Monica
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Thank you for that Monica.While you are here could you tell me what was the role of a non practicing advocate.Could they also have another trade?
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Not an area I have any knowledge on George, sorry :-\
Monica
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But Monica,I have come to rely on you as the fount of all wisdom,it's just not good enough ;D ;D ;D
On saying that,I haven't a clue either.
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I could make guesses, but given it is legalese, I'll refrain ;)
Monica
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Not what you are looking for either, but may be of interest George:
Auction House: Spink and Son
Auction Location: United Kingdom
Auction Title:
Auction Date: 1994
Description: [ Medals ] Abyssinia 1867-68 ( Asst Surgn A. W. Beveridge 5: By 25th Bgde R. A.), nearly extremely fine Surgeon Major Alexander Watt Beveridge, M.D., appointed Assistant Surgeon, 1857; served with the 78th Highlanders during the Indian Mutiny and was present with Outram's Force in the Alumbagh which included the repulse of numerous attacks and operations ending in the final capture of Lucknow; Surgeon, 1872; placed on half-pay, 1879
http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/medals-abyssinia-1867-68-asst-surgn-a.-w.-b-1-c-keo5y9332t
Is this your man? If so there is quite a bit about him around, which you may have already. Seems to have had son of same name also a Doc. and several other children.
PM :)
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That's the man PM,he did have a son of the same name and also one of the daughters with the mothers name.He retired as a Surgeon Major.
Nice to see you about,our paths haven't crossed for a wee while. :)
George.
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George, how does the 'non practicing advocate' connect to A W Beveridge...?
Monica
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Hi Monica,it relates to his father Henry who on the 1851 census is transcribed as 'advocate not practicing'.Him his wife,Alex and two other sons David and Henry are lodgers at Auchinearn House,Cadder which appears to be the home of John Leslie and family.
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Ok, see where you are at with this.
A little bit here for background http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocate#Advocates_in_Scotland (likely better sources I am sure, but sometimes top line info is good!)
Likely that it is as simple as it has written up - i.e., his father Henry is an Advocate, who was not at that time in practice?
Have you got lots on this line?
Monica
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My links to the Beveridge name are tenuous Monica,however I have been researching the family due to a photo I own.I thoght perhaps if a direct descendent could be traced they may like to see one of their ancestors.Here she is,the youngest of Alexander and Elizabeth's children,Marianne Hazel Beveridge :).
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Put a child in a picture and I am won over!
I am seeing nothing on possible descendants though which is a pity :-\
From A W Beveridge's death announcement in the Scotsman in April 1916, 6 living children showed at that time (1916), three boys and three girls (unnamed).
Monica
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Children I have are:-
Erskine b 1875
Amelia B b 1877
Alexander W b 1879
Elizabeth M b 1881
Marianne Hazel b 1882
I thought there could be another,possibly Frances,which would make Marianne next youngest.Marianne it seems appears on passenger lists to and from Canada but I haven't been able to access them.
You are right though Monica,this was a girl on a photo and to round her family out is fantastic.
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Scrub the Frances Monica,wrong family.Marianne was the youngest,the other child was the eldest Henry.Erskine was born in England,in 1901 he is an artist in Kelvin,Glasgow.
For anyone tuning in whose rellie's may have worked for them,their staff in 1891 were:-
Mary A. Brown nurse b 1848 Edinburgh
Margaret Campbell cook b 1866 Bridge of Earn Perthshire
Catherine Begg housemaid b 1863 Portsoy Banff
Barbara Banks housemaid b 1871 Edinburgh
Margaret Wilson tablemaid b 1862 Edinburgh
Jessie McCleod laundreymaid b 1866 Inverness
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Elizabeth Mary and A W Beveridge were cousins? Elizabeth b. 8 Sept 1838. and A W b. 4 June 1835, see Burke's Landed Gentry of GB, pg. 70 www.rootschat.com/links/0fe4/
Monica
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Amazing where it can take you Monica.I am over in Fife at the moment (online not reality)Where another Erskine Beveridge is getting married in 1908.This one is older however 56,son of another Erskine,landed proprieters and linen manufacturers.I wouldn't mind betting they are all of the same family.Now off to look at your link.
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Excellent link Monica,the Erskine getting married is Elizabeth's brother.Her son Erskine named after her father and Henry after Alexanders.
I think it's safe to say my Beveridge link will not be these ;D
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The Erskine who was getting married in 1908 Monica,his second marriage.He was Marianne's uncle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erskine_Beveridge
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Hi George,
I was awy for a while soaking up sun and left the laptop at home. Vert nice photo - i think I saw at least one of those Children in canada when I was looking For Alexander WB earlier, on an Ancestry tree. Scooting off to have a look now :)
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Hi PM,yes please do,Marianne should be on passengers lists for Canada.
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Seems her uncle Erskine is quite famous.Just been looking at his photographic collection of Scotland.
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In the Times:
The Times, Saturday, Jun 20, 1925; pg. 17; Issue 4399
Amelia Boyd eldest dau of late Alexander Watt Beveredge marries John Stewart Lindsey Long . Her address is 26 Buckingham tce Edinboro'
Maybe Marrianne was a bridesmaid? PM
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Good find PM.On An*****y it has Marianne H Beveridge listed as passenger outgoing and incoming to and from Canada.No idea when or on what ship as yet though.
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Anyone wants to see the wonderful colourings restorers have done to the photo,this is the link.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,558965.0.html
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Seoras, I only have the cheap UK-Ireland version of Ancestry - so cannot look up the Passenger stuff. I have been looking at a tree for Amelia's husband, which gives no children alas, says she died on 1st Nov 1954.
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Me too PM but I do know someone in the USA who I did some digging for in Scotland so now is the time to ask a favour ;D
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Grave number: 74269
Image number: 12776
First name on the monument: Louisa Beveridge
Name on the monument Mary Anne Hazell BEVERIDGE
Cemetery name: Dean 2h
Cemetery location: Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland
From that list posted earlier. I have sent off for the image, though their calculated dates don't fit.
http://www.forum.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?available=yes&fullname=Mary%20Anne%20Hazell%20Beveridge&grave=74269&personid=157048
But it is possible that "our" Marriane was called after her.
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Children I have are:-
Erskine b 1875
Amelia B b 1877
Alexander W b 1879
Elizabeth M b 1881
Marianne Hazel b 1882
I thought there could be another,possibly Frances,which would make
The eldest son is not on this list, I found him on a marriage notice in the Times, Capt. H, as the son of late AWB, Maj-Sgn 78th. Same address as for the daughters marriage. Just tracking him down....He married a Marjorie Shuttleworth of Sailsbury in August 1918. Marjories father is given as J Shuttleworh Rendell JP, so her surname may be the full lot. PM
later...saw you figured henry in earlier posts, anyway, he did marry.....
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He's in the post below it PM,Henry.Last few months of WWI,did he survive and did he stay in the English west country?
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No obit, so I think he did, George. I found a potential only son and daughter, son died at 19, dau married, to a Major H Beveridge in Sailsbury. I can't link them directly, though. Henry and Marjorie got married in the Hague, according to the press cutting.
This one is really tricky!
PM
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A few details of Alexander Watt Beveridge M.D. Surgeon major 78th Highlanders Regiment ( even if it does not answer the main question - has he any living relatives who might like his daughers photo might as well put them down here for anyone looking)
He Married Elizabeth Mary Beveridge at 9 Belgrave Crescent, Edinborough on June 18 1873. She was the third daughter of the late Erskine Beveridge of Brucefield, Dunfermline.
Source:The Dundee Courier & Argus and Northern Warder (Dundee, Scotland), Friday, June 20, 1873; Issue 6208.
The year before he married he was in Belfast where the 78th were staioned:
The Belfast News-Letter (Belfast, Ireland), Saturday, October 12, 1872; Issue 55459.
Birth of a dughter at 11 Strahern Place Edinborugh on 3rd Oct 1876
Source: The Dundee Courier & Argus (Dundee, Scotland), Thursday, October 05, 1876; Issue 7239. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
Birth of a dughter at 9 Belgrave Crescent Edinborugh on May 13th 1880
The Standard (London, England), Monday, May 17, 1880; pg. [
He retired on half pay,reported in 1879 The Hampshire Advertiser (Southampton, England), Saturday, May 03, 1879;
PM
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This from Isobelruss re: Marianne.
22 Aug 1936
Departed Greenock
Birth year 1882
Age 54
Teacher
Ship Duchess of Bedford
Last address c/o Thomas Cook & Co Edinburgh
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http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=ducbe
So do you think this is her? Birth date seems right....
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I do PM,birthdate and location,will go see if I can find what she was doing 1n 1911.1901 she is still at home in Buckingham Terrace.I am thinking she didn't marry as she is travelling under her maiden name.
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Just a thought - could Hazel be "Hazell" - Scots surname?
See she is down as Maryanna in the 1901 Census...unles its a transcription error....
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http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/12936469/person/12194812861
This Henry is the brother of Alexander Watt Beveridge. His children
Lartilia Beveridge
1878 –
William Henry Beveridge
1879 – 1963
Annette J Beveridge
1881 –
would have been contemporairies of Marianne and her Ist Cousins. Maybe contacting the owner of the tree would enable Seoras to pass on the image? - or find out if there are closer relatives about. Or hope these names may just jog someone's memory here in due course.
The source for this Harry being Alexander Watt's Beveridge brother:
AN ACCOUNT OF THE BEVERIDGE FAMILY IN DUNFERMLINE (1890). By A W Cornelius Hallen. Commissioned by Erskine Beveridge jnr, .......... The brother of Erskine primus, Henry Beveridge (1799-1863) of Inzievar, was an advocate, and the life of his son, Henry Beveridge (1837-1929) of the Bengal Civil Service, and that of his wife, Annette Susannah Akroyd (1842-1929), has been written by Lord Beveridge under the title of "India Called Them" (1947).
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Just a thought - could Hazel be "Hazell" - Scots surname?
See she is down as Maryanna in the 1901 Census...unles its a transcription error....
Hi PM,yes I saw that but think it is Marianne,it seems to be that mostly and on the back of the photo they have it as Hazel.
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PM,MonicaL has sent me some fantastic info (thank you very much Monica),the ships manifests confirm the name as the same as on the photo Marianne Hazel Beveridge.
In 1932 aged 50 she travelled from New Zealand,on the 'Aorangi'.She had been visiting her brother,a doctor.She arrived in Vancouver,Canada in May and on to the USA via Buffalo,New York.Then back to Canada to sail from Montreal on the 'Duchess of York'.This was the sister ship of the Duchess of Bedford she sailed on in 1936.Arrived in Liverpool.
I think the 1936 trip must have been taking her to Australia as she left there from Brisbane on the 'Nestor' in 1937 via Sydney,Melbourne,Adelaide,Cape Town and Durban and back to the UK.
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Well done to Monica. Does this mean she may have died in the UK? Which brother did she go to see on her travels, and where was he - wonder if he gets a mention in Trove or PapersPast, or BMD announcements. There is some thing in that family book - see 36 post - I'll look it up.
PM
Later..."The sister of Erskine primus, Elizabeth Beveridge (1795-1870) married James Adamson of Crossgates; early pioneers of South Australia, their story, and that of their descendants, has been written by Robert Adamson and Ben Evans in "Dunfermline to Down Under" (1994).
She would be Marianee's grandaunt, so the decendants would be relatives too..
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Her brother Captain Henry Beveridge(who married in 1918 in Salisbury) was in the Dorset regiment.When his father died in 1916,Henry was a prisoner of the Germans and had been for 16 months.
When I bought this photo it was because of where it was taken (Edinburgh) as I have family history in the area and was born not far away.Also the Beveridge name in Scotland as I knew I had a link to that.Alas the nearest any of mine got to cruising was in fishing boats out of Fife ;D.
But,I bought this card not far away from Salisbury,so did her brother settle there,could that be how it ended up here.Somewhat sad,their family history for sale on an antique stall.
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That makes a lot of sense - it is a very appealing photo, it has quite captured my imagination - for different reasons - I may PM you about those later!
We do know from what I found out that her brothers wife, Marjorie Shuttlebuck Rendell was from the area, so there is a link to Sailsbury. I will continue to see if the Major Henry Beveridge who lived and had two children in Sailsbury is in fact her brother. What year did you buy the photo? I could look up and see if there was an auction that year for the three address I have for the Major and the Shuttlebucks, from the marriage and the two birth notices.
Thinking about that Ancestry tree, maybe a simple thing to do would put a comment on Uncle Harry of India and a link to this thread. Marjorie's family have some trees too, but don't give any children, but she is not a central line on those.
I agree, its always sad to find these photos abandoned, but very glad you rescued this one. PM ;)
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Seems to be a death on Scotlandspeople for a Marianne Beveredige in 1946 but I don't have a sub. Anyone able to do a lookup. Think this is the only posible one that fits with her birth date. There is one other, but itis 2000 so too late.
Also wondering if the 1911 gave her an occupation.
PM
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Does it say where PM,on the passengers lists for her travels in 1932 and 1937 she gives her home address as Balquharrie,a large house outside Muthill in Perthshire.It still exists.
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No, I don't have a sub, so can't establish that, alas! busy tonight but will look tommorow re the salisbury connection.
PM
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As George's credit card statements will attest in pain ::), Scotlands People is all pay to view, so no subs. held by anyone unfortunately PM.
Monica
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Ah well, thats a pity. Can't find that death anywhere else, though have discovered that first cousin of Mariannes was this chap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Beveridge
So she has a lot of connections. He is the one born in India in post 36 here.
Still looking at dorset/Salisbury, as that is where the photo turned up.
I wonder if anyone can look up the death of a Peter Beveredge Registered n Dorset aged 19 Midshipman, son of Maj Henry Beveridgie, to see if there is an address.
PM
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Just from general searches, the death for the Marianne you found PM seems to show in Dunoon, Argyll with this Marianne showing a birth year c. 1887 (which is c. 5 years out but as with these things, if it is 'our' Marianne, nobody is counting!).
Monica
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It looks like Doonon is about 50 miles from that house Seoras mentioned - don't know the area at all, but thats google Maps. I may be wrong.
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As George's credit card statements will attest in pain ::), Scotlands People is all pay to view
Oh so true Monica :'(
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Her elder brother Henry's house at Martinstown near Dorchester.Given he was a captain in the Dorsets this would make sense.Built as Townfield Farm House,later Grove Hill Farm House and finally Rylstone.
Added: George, link above not working so added this without the word 'Cached' www.martinstown.co.uk/WEBSITE/VILLAGE/rylstone.htm :)
Thank you :)
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Births FreeBMD Mar 1920
Beveridge Ann H Randall Amesbury 5a 318
Births Mar 1921
Beveridge Peter H Rendall Amesbury 5a 261
Beveridge Male Rendall Amesbury 5a 261
Amesbury 8 miles from Salisbury
These are Marjorie and Henry's children.
Ann married J Whittington of 16 Burford Road in 1967. The Times say she is the only daughter of Mrs Beveridge and the late Major H Beveridge of Homington, Salisbury.
Henry son Of Alexander Watt Beveridge was born on 28 Apr 1874 so six years older than sister Marianne. {FamilySearch]
Peter died in a tragic accident in 1940 according to the Times. His obit describes him as the only son.
So it looks as if Henry stayed in the area during the period 1918 until his death. Marjories brother was also in the Dorsets.
Likely death:
Henry Beveridge
Born 1874
Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec 1957
Age 83 Salisbury
Volume: 7c
Page: 571
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It would seem then that Marianne's niece Ann is the likely last owner of the photo.
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Quite likely George, though one can never be sure! Also 67 is only 44 years back. If Ann Beveridge W had children, they might have been the last owners... but at least we have established a plausible reason why Marianne's photo could turn up where you found it. There is a letter to the Times from a "Mr H Beveridge" from the Martinstown address, on the subject of Classical Cobblers in 1926. Can't find a death for Ann, or birth of children so far.
PM
Later: The regs are held in Wiltshire for the BMDs of Henry et al:
Amesbury covers a wide area - wonder if Martinstown is in it?
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/amesbury.html
Homington is further down the list
Abolished 1.4.1934 and incorporated into the parish of Coombe Bissett. See also Table 2, note (b).
{Footnote to history, just in case anyone comes this way:}
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?queryType=1&resultcount=1&Edoc_Id=6295396
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Alexander Watt Beveridge was my great grandfather. Hazel was my great aunt.