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Hi, Everyone,
Have just come across mention of a Rosehill Cottage, Wellingborough, as being the dwelling place of someone who left an 1853 will...
I was wondering whether anyone with local knowledge of the area might know where it might have been situated. I notice that there seem to be houses for sale in an area today called Rose Hill, Finedon, Wellingborough. Might this be a clue to the location of Rosehill Cottage nearly 160 years ago - and perhaps it survived for some time as a dwelling beyond 1853...
Very best wishes,
keith
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Hi Keith
If you give us a name(s) and any more details that you have, we might be able to find it in the 1851 census :)
Linda
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Linda,
It was obviously a bit too late last night for my brain to be working properly! But yes, the man's name was David DULLEY, gentleman, and two years later in 1855 his wife Mary had her will proved too. I'll have a bit of a search at the Censuses myself, but it would be good if someone could find out/knows when or if this cottage might have been demolished...
regards, keith
p.s. And there he is in the 1851 Census as large as life, aged 78, living with his wife Mary at 58, High Street, Wellingborough. He gives his profession as "retired brewer", which I do happen to know was a DULLEY family business. I wonder whether 58, High Street was also known as "Rosehill Cottage", and what stands there today...?
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Hi Keith
It actually just says High Street, Wellingborough.
The 58 is the census schedule number, and is not indicative of where he lived
Linda
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Working from the 1851 census - and with no local knowledge whatsoever ::) - it looks as though David Dulley was living at the south-west end of the High Street
There are about 7 houses afer his, then the listings change to Church Lane (with Church Yard off) and Church Street & the Vicarage - presumably near All Hallows Church
If you google Wellingborough Museum, there is some contact details. They may be able to give you more information.
Linda
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Hi to you both.
There is link showing a map of Wellingborough in 1803 which notes
David Dulley. Plot 16.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fg5/
The Wellingborough Museum is housed in what was Dulley Baths
built by a David Dulley in 1892.
It is where the Northants Family History Society Library is situated.
I have a book of Wellingborough but it mentions William Dulley
having a brewery in 1840 in Sheep Street (behind the Golden Hind Inn)
so longer standing.
I will keep looking to see if I can see mention of David of 1850's.
Oh, also nearly all the houses in High Street still stand.
Sandy
Edited: Must check spelling.
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Linda and Sandy,
This is brilliant, lots of fascinating information about the DULLEY family. Trust me to misread schedule numbers for house numbers, I really must concentrate better at the back of the class...
Thanks particularly, Sandy, for all that local knowledge about the town, and would greatly appreciate any further delving in the records. That link is very interesting indeed...
Very many thanks, keith
(Must get along to Wellingborough again soon, it's only about an hour's drive away. Is the Museum in the old Dulley Baths a good one?)
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Yes it is. ;D
They show brilliant cine films of local historical events as well.
We go to the Railway ones. :)
The book that mentions the family is "A History of Wellingborough"
by Joyce and Maurice Palmer.
Hope you find the cottage, please let us know.
Sandy
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A video clip of Wellingborough Museum,whose future had been under threat.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-15023044
Seems they found the money to keep it going for a bit longer though!
Carol
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Thanks very much again Sandy, and Carol...
I'm sure if I visit in the near future they must have some details about Rosehill Cottage, and what kind of brewing concern the DULLEY family had going there.
My great-grandmother married into the WETHERED brewing family of Great Marlow in Bucks, so I've got a little bit of previous to refer to!
regards, keith
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Morning. :)
Carol, Ian is related to me through his partner. ;D
Keith I think maybe I need to clarify.
The Dulley Brewery was behind the Golden Lion Inn in Sheep St.
There was a place called Rose Cottage which could be the family
home at that time also in the same place which would have been
near the High Street end.
I wish you well in your research.
Sandy
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Sandy,
Had another look at Post 5 on this thread, where you put that link to Wellingborough in 1803, showing who were the proprietors of the various Plots. Noticed that a David DULLY (sic), or even simply plain DULLY was also involved in Plots 96, 103, 197.
I've also read that (presumably this) David DULLY b.1773 d.1853 was one of "the early movers" in the Calvinist Baptist chapel, the Zoar Chapel in Zoar Yard which was built in 1808 but later demolished.
I also discovered from his 1853 will that one of his daughters, Ann, had married a man called Charles DRAWBRIDGE. This is the name of the minister of the High Street Particular Baptist Chapel in the 1851 religious census - it had an average congregation of 140, including the DULLEY's. No wonder there is such little evidence of the family in the Parish records. How often Nonconformist families successfully threw themselves into business, denied entry to other professions.
This is all getting very interesting...
keith
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Hi Keith.
Well he was certainly buried in the Chapel burial ground with his wife
and 5 children.
2 more were buried in Cheese Lane Chapel burial ground and later
removed and re-interred in London Road Cemetery
This info was stated in the "Wellingborough News 1934.
Sandy
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Sandy,
Wow! this is amazing new information...
I really must get across to Wellingborough very soon and have a very good look at things. I don't suppose that any of those Chapel Burial grounds still exist with their graves. I remember going on a very good guided tour of Saffron Walden in Essex a few years ago where we looked at all the rich Nonconformist past there, and most of them had gone - though we did go into someone's private house back garden and were standing on about 300 still-interred burials.
I see that The Golden Lion still exists (mixed messages on the Web about the merits of its food and beer), though apparently it has only been a pub since 1830, even if the building dates from the 16thC. But you say that any trace of the DULLEY brewery behind has long gone...
Do you have any details of those DULLEY family burials - I know about the father David dying in 1853, and his wife Mary in 1855; but according to his will a son James b. 1814 was already deceased before 1849, and his other sons were William b. circa 1798, David b. 1806 and Benjamin b. 1807.
His daughters were Mary, b. circa 1798 (married possibly a man called TUCK); Ann, b. 1803 who married that Charles DRAWBRIDGE; Sarah, b. 1812 (possibly married another member of the TUCK family); and Elizabeth, b. 1817 (married a man called William JACKSON).
Sorry if I'm overwhelming you with questions....!
keith
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Hi Keith.
I am afraid I don't have any burial info.
As far as I am aware the Chapel still stands next to the
new Tabernacle Church. As to graves I have no idea.
I will look in my London Road graves in a mo and see if I can
see the tablet about the family don't build your hopes up.
Be back ina mo.
Sandy
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Okay Keith this maybe the 1806 David's grave.
I can do the transcription tomorrow.
Sandy
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Sandy,
That's brilliant, and that's most certainly the grave of David DULLEY who was born in 1806 and died in 1877. I've just downloaded his Nonconformist birth for 13th February 1806, registered at Dr Williams Library in London, from the excellent www.bmdregisters.com website.
His parents are given as David and Mary DULLEY, and Mary's father's name is given as Benjamin EVERITT. Her family seemed to be from nearby Bedfordshire, and David and Mary were married in 1796 in Pertenhall, though I imagine not in the wonderful old former Moravian Chapel there...
keith
p.s. I have a friend in Cambridge whose direct ancestor was a member of the St Andrews Street Baptist Church and who was buried in their tiny burial ground in 1827. When the whole burial ground was being built over to provide a cafe, I think in the 1970's, several lead coffins were disinterred and reburied in our Newmarket Road Cemetery, including this ancestor. However, his headstone, along with about 5 others, still remains upright and along the outside wall of the rebuilt chapel in St Andrews Street.
I presume in David Dulley's case his headstone was moved to London Road...
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Pass on last sentence Keith as I do not think so.
I have found a few more still looking as I have about 2,000+ images
and they are not indexed. Never seem to have the time. :)
Anyway one I will have to give you the dates in a P.M. tomorrow
as it goes pass the deadline we are allowed to list here.
Off to look at another 4 pdf's.
Hopefully can do the other images for you tomorrow also.
Sandy
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Sandy,
That's so very kind of you, I look forward to hearing from you in due course...!
keith
p.s. Not sure what you mean by "the deadline" - I haven't been on Rootschat very much in recent weeks, so perhaps I've missed some new "legislation"...
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You are welcome. :)
There were 1949 images although alot were repeats. ;D
The comment about the deadline is the fact that someone may
not know a relation is dead and it will come as a shock.
Therefore we are not allowed rightly so to list on the forum.
So the first transcription.
1. IN AFFECTIONATE REMEMBRANCE OF
DAVID DULLEY
WHO DIED
14TH MARCH MARCH 1877, AGED 71.
ALSO OF
ELEANOR REBECCA HIS RELICT
WHO DIED 13TH NOV 1879, AGED 62.
"CHRIST IS ALL AND IN ALL." COL. III. IX
"MAN IS LESS THAN NOTHING." ISA. XL. 17
ALSO OF
ELEANOR REBECCA THEIR DAUGHTER
WHO DIED 13TH JUNE 1873. AGED 26.
"MIGHTY TO SAVE." ISAIAH. LXIII. I.
ALSO OF
ELIZA DULLEY
WHO DIED 5TH NOV. 1926. AGED 78.
"AT REST"
ALSO OF FOUR CHILDREN WHO DIED IN INFANCY
Sandy
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Image 2.
It has 4 sides.
I will have to P.M. the child's as she died in 1950's Image 3.
Sandy
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This is the wife of David in previous image.
Image 4.
Sandy
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Okay next one. Image 5.
William Dulley 1873.
Sandy
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Blimmey even I am having trouble with this one. :)
Image 6.
Sandy
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Well here goes.
Transcription of above.
IN MEMORY OF
JAMES DULLEY
BORN 28TH FEBY 1842
DIED 1ST OCT 1928
"IN CHRIST"
(then it lists a lot of quotations from the sciptures)
"A SINNER SAVED BY GRACE"
ALSO OF
CATHERINE MARY
WIFE OF THE ABOVE
WHO DIED AT MENTMONE 22ND DEC 1900
AND IS BURIED THERE
AGED 52?
"BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH
AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES IT IS THE
GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS , LEAST ANY
MAN SHOULD BOAST. " EPH. II. 8-9
Sandy
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Next one. Image 7.
Harold Sanford Dulley 1890.
Sandy
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Transciption of above.
IN LOVING MEMORY
OF
HAROLD SANFORD DULLEY.
INFANT SON OF
PAUL AND LUCY DULLEY;
DIED 7TH MAY 1890
AGED 21 DAYS
YET? AS I WILL, BUT AS THOU WILT"
MATT. XXVI. 39
Sandy
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Sandy,
Incredible, what else can I say...
I've also looked at the headstone you sent me via PM, and many, many thanks for that, too
Do these all exist in the London Road Cemetery?
I see from your own family interests that Cambridgeshire does not feature at all, but if ever you want anything looking into at the CCRO I'd be more than willing to get up there for you, as I feel greatly in your debt with the Dulley family.
As I've discovered has been the case with many families I've looked into, it just needed one dynamic, determined individual, possibly getting things going in the late 18thC, as in the case of David DULLEY, b.1773, and continuing through the early 19thC, building up some kind of successful business, then passing on the benefits and wealth to his next generation of sons and daughters and creating some kind of minor dynasty.
Brewers, factory owners, often Nonconformists too...
This has been enthralling, in no small measure thanks to your local knowledge of Wellingborough,
keith
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Hi Keith.
Glad to help as always and thank you for your kind offer.
I am so glad I listed the little headstone of Harold Sanford Dulley
as my Hubby and I went all around the Cemetery again today to
get some better images (hopefully) and it is no longer there.
The graves are all in London Road and I found another 3 today
that I had not been able to see before.
I also got you loads more info on the family. ;D ;D ;D
Will be in touch.
Sandy
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Dear all!
Marilyn Ponting in Canada has just pointed me to your recent chat. I have been researching the Dulley family for sometime, as my daughter is one of the descendants of the eldest son of David Dulley (1773-1853), namely William Dulley (1797-1880), both of them being brewers of Wellingborough.
I am completely new to RootsChat, so I am not sure if I can send an attachment with such a reply. I tried to send two: one on David Dulley and his family and one on the family of William Dulley (1797-1880). It appears the RootsChat system does not like my one on the Dulleys of Bucks from whom they descend. When I tried to send two it also baulked, so I will just try to send one on David Dulley and family, as it said I was trying to upload too much. No, it did not even permit me to do that!
Living down in Sussex, I have had little opportunity for getting up to Wellingborough, but the Wellingborough Museum have some of my earlier texts on the Dulley family. I have not had the opportunity to wander round the gravestones up there.
Many people are unaware that the famous actor, Rex Harrison, is also descended from them.
It would appear that David Dulley only came to Rosehill Cottage late in his life.
Any feedback or corrections and additions are always appreciated.
Vincent
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Sandy,
I'm always extremely aware about how important it is to take photographs when you can, talk to aging members of the family while they are still able to remember and tell their stories.
A while ago I went to Abney Park Nonconformist Cemetery in Stoke Newington, North London, and took a photo of my gt-grandparents KERSHAW's headstone. When I returned just over a year later a tree that had been growing close by it had split the stone from one end to the other and only fragments of their memorial remained, lying on the ground where they had fallen.
Thanks again for preserving all that vital Wellingborough family history yourself,
regards, keith
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Hi, Vincent, and welcome to Rootschat!
I think you have to post at least 3 times before you can receive or send PM's (Personal Messages), but it would be fascinating to discover where exactly you fit into the DULLEY family tree. Which child of William DULLEY are you descended through.
As soon as you have posted those 3 times, I'm sure it will be entirely possibly to exchange files and so on via PM, or by personal e-mails...
Very best wishes, keith
Vincent's and my penultimate posts must have crossed one another in the ether...
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Hi Keith!
My daughter's mother is a great grand-daughter of Maria Dulley (1840-1919), who married Thomas Cook (1827-1900), Solicitor of Wellingborough.
Ironically, given the recent reply talking about Stoke Newington, it would appear that David Dulley got started in the brewery business in Wellingborough with finance from the Sandford family, who were running one of the largest breweries in London in Stoke Newington, at that time. Before that David Dulley had been an Excise Officer.
Vincent
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Dear all,
How do these PMs work quite. I see there is a little green icon that signals up PM when you put the cursor on it, but how do I send an attachment?
William Dulley (1797-1880) had a daughter, Sara Dulley (1844-post-1908/pre-1919), who married Thomas Harrison (c1843-post-1901), who was a ship owner in Liverpool, and they had 7 sons and one daughter. Rex Harrison was Sara's grand-son, he describing her in his autobiography as "my eccentric grandmother Harrison, who lived in a grand house, Belle Vale Hall, Gateacre, Liverpool, with stables, tennis courts and a cricket ground, where she had brought up her large family of seven boys and a girl ...".
Vincent
p.s. Do you think I can now send something bigger via this PM system?
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Hi Vincent
I don't think you can send attachments via the PM system,but what you can do is send each other your email addresses ;D ,and go from there.
Carol
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Hi Vincent.
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
That was nice of Marilyn (mgeneas on our forum) to send you
notification of this topic.
Maybe myself going to Wellingborough with Hubby today was
a waste of time as you have so much personal history.
I declined anything about the family other than the Wellingborough
branch except for David's parents.
Keith you may glean more from Vincent than myself it seems. :)
Never mind as you say recording the headstones that survive
is something I have done for endless Northants villages.
And just to comfirm Carol you are not allowed to send attachments
or images in the P.M.'s.
Sandy
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Hi again, Vincent,
I've now sent you a PM...
Sandy, none of what you have done on my behalf has in any way been a waste of time, far from it. The whole process of re-checking the evidence often throws up new clues and makes us realise how important recording details at a particular moment in time might become. Those images of the DULLEY Wellingborough headstones you have put on this thread are simply wonderful in their clarity.
It seems as though we now have two strands of DULLEY family history descending through two of the children of William DULLEY, b. 1797 d. 1880, through son David and daughter Maria, each with its own unique family stories and connections.
I'd be most interested to discover more about David DULLEY, born 1773, d. 1853, and the early years of him establishing himself in the brewing industry, and about the Buckinghamshire origins of the family...
regards, keith
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Good to see folk related here with the same lineages.
Sandy
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N.B. Do YOU by any chance know, Vincent, the answer to the original question I posed when starting off this flourishing thread - namely, where exactly in Wellingborough was Rosehill Cottage situated?
keith
...and the Rex HARRISON story embellishes the whole DULLEY family story too, of course!
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Evening Vincent.
Posts crossed.
No worries the new images I took today look better than the others
although what you see on Roots is not as good due to size.
New graves I found were for William Dulley 1797 and Sarah.
Benjamin 1808 and wife Fanny.
Also haven't listed yet Revd. Benjamin and wife.
I have a much better copy of James's headstone now too.
Sandy
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Dear Sandy, Keith, Carol et al.
It is sterling work that Sandy is doing on the gravestones. I have done it in other places, but have not had the time for it up in Norhants.
I feel a bit frustrated by this Rootsweb site, but that is probably through my ignorance as to how to get it to work for you.
Keith has tred to send me a P.M., but I cannot open it. I would like to send those of you who are interested my texts on the Dulley family, because I think they would help to orient you regarding the characters involved, where they lived, what they did, and the circumstances leading to what they did, but I cannot see how to do that without plastering my email address all over the site, for the nasties with viruses, spam, etc. to molest me.
What do you suggest? Who exactly amongst you is descended from this Dulley family, and how?
Vincent
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Vincent ,to open your PM on Rootschat you need to click on to the message sent to you and you will get to your PM's.
Alternatively at the top right of this page you will see Welcome back TicknerV you have 1 message,1 is new...........click on that and then it wil take you to your PM's.
Good luck
Carol
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Morning All.
Keith thanks for P.M. last night we were burning the midnight oil. :)
Only just risen to start another day.
Will be in touch.
Sandy
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Hi again, Everyone,
I have safely received those incredibly researched and detailed files from Vincent this morning. Lots to read and digest. This thread has turned into a veritable goldmine. More later...
Regards, keith
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Hi Keith.
Thank you for your P.M.'s and now e-mail.
It is greatly appreciated.
Sandy
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Well I am trying to make a Family Tree maker and gedcom file of all the
information I have on the Dulley which is taking days, not that I mind.
I am adding information not already known.
Anyway I thought in case anyone reading wished to know what David Dulley
of 1773 looked like here he is.
Sandy
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Sandy,
That's absolutely amazing!
He was quite obviously the main driving force behind the DULLEY family fortunes going up in the world from the early 19thC onwards. A splendid portrait, where did you find it?
keith
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Dear Sandy and Keith,
I have seen this drawing before, but cannot recall where. Where did Sandy get it from?
Last week I have acquired some photos of William Dulley, his eldest son, and of William Dulley's wife, Sarah (nee Mee). I have a professional photographer friend in London who is going to help digitalise these photos in November when we have more time. After that I can send them to people, if I can send them via this Rootschat system.
I have not heard anything from the other side of the Dulley family yet, but I have been a bit out of action, anyway, after a leg operation last Monday.
regards,
Vincent
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Hi.
I mentioned that I had the information which I collected the other week Keith.
Yesterday I found a book with a photograph of the Brewery in Sheep St
it is a new book therefore under copyright so can not show the picture.
Sandy
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Sandy,
What is the title of that new book? I might get myself a copy...
keith
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Hi Keith.
Ask Vincent as he has been in contact with the Author and may have
a piccie.
Found more newspaper cliipings on this family, I think we could
go on forever build the tree.
Need to do other things for awhile now.
Sandy
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O.K. Sandy,
Thanks for all your great input on the DULLEY family...!
regards, keith
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Dear Sandy,
I have been out of internet connection for a few days, so only just seen your posting.
I am a little confused, however, as to whom you are referring when you say I know the author. Do you mean "A History of Wellingborough" by Joyce and Maurice Palmer. I do not know the Palmers, but might be interested to do so, as I am trying to track down the Palmer family linked with Orton.
I do have some piccies, but no means of scanning them at the moment.
regards,
Vincent
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Hi Vincent.
I mean the man who wrote about the book Brewed In Northants, Mick ?
By the way Jon Paul is related to me poor soul or the other way around.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy!
That explains it - Mike Brown and Jon-Paul Carr.
Small world of genealogy and local historians!!!
Vincent
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Dear all,
I thought I had seen the photo of David Dulley that Sandy put up on October 18th. I have just found copies of it in my files. The problem is, however, that it may not be of David Dulley (1773-1853), but of the son of William Dulley (1797-1880), namely David Dulley (1833-1905). I have notes on two different reproductions of it, one saying that it was drawn about 1890, the other saying it was drawn about 1893, but representing the younger David Dulley, who died in 1905. This needs to be checked out more fully, perhaps with Wellingborough Museum or with Jon-Paul Carr.
regards,
Vincent
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Hi Vincent.
Sorry you dis-agree with who the photo is.
Jon Paul no longer works at the Museum for quite some years now.
I will check the article in full to see if I am mistaken.
I WAS. SORRY.
Sandy
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Hi Keith
I've determined that Rose Hill Cottage is a sizable property, now flats, in London Road near to a solicitors. This link has it grade II listed from 1970 when it was already converted to its current use: http://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-233778-rose-hill-flats-1-2-and-3-10-wellingboro
There is nothing on the building to show that it is / was called Rose Hill but the 1899 OS map has it clearly marked as that.
You can probably get as much as you need from Google Maps / Street View but I've put a few of their images together which might help to give some context in addition to the ones I've already attached so if it's any help PM me I'll mail them to you.
Unfortunately there is a possible alternative as I notice that the 1851 Census also shows a William Dulley (born Kimbolton, Hunts [or Kimbolton, Hungary if you believe Ancestry's transcription :P]), brewer and employer, in Sheep Street - next door to an Innkeeper / farmer. This has to be the Golden Lion which was originally built as a farmhouse and converted to the pub that it still is in the C19th. This puts William in "Rose Cottage" (also a listed building and currently home to a firm of solicitors). Assuming that your aged David Dulley had retired from the brewing business and that William had taken over: the original Castle Lane entrance to Dulley's Brewery / Baths (which is now the unused back entrance to the Museum - see picture) neatly bisects the 150 or so yards between "Rose Hill" and "Rose Cottage".
The London Road address looks pretty certain though as the alley down the side of that building terminates in a gated wall which has a "Rose Hill" sign attached together with a no parking sign pointing to the flat entrance to the rear (ahem.. I took a photo of that as well but I haven't figured out my new camera and the shot out of the dark alley whited the sign out so it looked completely blank - I'll try again if it's of any interest).
Finally, I tried to figure out where in the High Street David may have been living, but the disappearance of all the yards referred to in the census together with the enumerator's refusal to provide any useful information like pub names (of which there were plenty) means I can't even be sure which side of the road I should be looking at.
Hope this helps
Ian
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Ian,
This is quite marvellous - although this thread had flourished, with all sorts of exciting information about the DULLEY family, I'd sort of become resigned to the possibility that the location of Rosehill Cottage would never be truly be discovered.
Thank you so much for spending the time on unravelling its mysteries. I am sure that both Sandy and Vincent, who have proved invaluable in this trail of discovery, will be very interested in your post...
very many thanks indeed, keith
p.s. What a handsome dwelling it was/is too, rather large to be termed a "cottage", in fact...
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Hi Ian.
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
I have now read through the article I got about David Dulley and it says
it is a picture of David Dulley from a 1893 drawing.
We could have asked on the brilliant restoration board the period
but now I realise I was wrongly informed on the in-correct David.
So sorry for that.
Now Ian please correct me if I am wrong.
Rose Cottage was in front of the Brewery in Sheep Street besides
the Dulley Swimming Pool (visit it often).
This means from other information that it is now the Swansgate
Shopping Centre and therefore the other side of "The Golden Hind"
and has the Swan Brewery Sign at the front entrance to the Centre.
Sandy
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Keith.
I was nattering to Jon Paul today. :) and he told me that the author
of Brewed in Northants was at the Library in Nov 2010, not this
year as I previously thought.
Sorry for confussion.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy
The brewery covered the southern end of Sheep St., more or less terminating at Swanspool Brook and the majority of the land it occupied is now the Swansgate's multi-storey car park. This doesn't extend laterally as far as the main shopping centre (ie south-west) and the buildings which front on to Sheep Street are intact between Commercial Way and Castle Way (the exit from the car park is a slip road between those two, cutting directly behind the these buildings).
Therefore, right at the bottom of Sheep Street, The Golden Lion is directly opposite Doddington Road and Rose Cottage is immediately adjacent looking back up Sheep Street towards the Swansgate.
Clear as mud?
nb All of this has reminded me that as kids we were always tempted to slide down steep concrete ramps to the waste ground where the brewery had stood. I remember them as just unprotected holes in the big wall along the north side and terminating some way above the ground (which is presumably why we didn't go down them - no way back out). Never occurred to me before but they were probably barrel runs to an upper storey access. No idea when the brewery ceased production but it suggests the land wasn't used for anything else until the Swansgate was built.
Ian
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Hi Ian.
I bow to your better knowledge than my own.
Thank you for explaining it, so it is getting clearer about
where the Cottage stood now.
Sandy
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Dear all!
I do not know if I am now going to confuse matters more. Ian sent such a beautiful photo of Rosehill Cottage at the beginning of November.
I have just been searching through my files, and digitalising photos, and found that at some point had been sent the one I hope to be able to attach to this message, which is reputedly also of Rosehill Cottage at an earlier period, but it does not look very much like the one that Ian sent. What do you think?
Vincent
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Hi again, Vincent,
Now that is indeed a remarkable photograph, and I wonder if it could be a back view of Rosehill Cottage. I'm beginning to get a little confused about the whole thing now, especially as Rosehill seems to be used sometimes, and at other times just Rose Cottage. Have you any idea of the date of the picture?
I think we need Sandy and Ian to give their thoughts on this...
regards, keith
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Well Keith you are confussed but not as much as I am.
As you know I have been in touch with Jon Paul and Mike
recently and Rose Cottage still stands.
I was sent the picture of the cottage in the present day and
see it when I visit the Town of Wellingborough, passing it often.
Upto yet I have yet to see the one here that I was sent as being
the premises although I am fully confident the one I have is.
EDITED: Here is the building I know to be Rose Cottage.
Sandy
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Dear all,
Sorry to cause such confusion over Rosehill Cottage, but maybe some of you who live in the area can check it out.
In a more positive vein, I have just succeeded in digitalising the attached photo, which I am lead to believe is of William Dulley (1797-1880), Brewer of Wellingborough.
Perhaps this one can be put under scrutiny as well.
regards,
Vincent
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maybe some of you who live in the area can check it out.
Maybe they can Vincent, I truly hope so.
I will bow out of this now.
Sandy
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Hi all, my Great Great Great Grandfather was Richard Dulley 1759-1828 who was the brother
of David Dulley 1773-1853. Reading through all this information has been amazing. Thank you all
Regards Norman Dulley :)
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Hi, Norman,
And welcome to Facebook! Yes, it's been a very exciting journey, and your DULLEY family most certainly have a very interesting pedigree...
Very best wishes, keith
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Hi Norman.
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
If I can help with anything just P.M. me although you have to make 2
more replies to be able to do so.
Help on how to do so here http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Sandy
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Hi Vincent
I think it is the same Rose Hill as seen from the side of the building facing South South East (ie with London Road, where I took my original picture from, running down to the right).
I have some pics which help to illustrate but can't post here for copyright reasons - I'll try to PM you with an explanation of what they show.
I will try to take a more defintive photo of my own but am pretty tied up atm so it might take a few days.
Ian
nb Can you get a better (maybe higher res) version of your picture which shows a bit more detail of the possible entrance at ground floor centre? I tried altering the contrast / lightness in my graphics prog but there isn't enough info. in the original to work with.
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Dear Ian et al.
Unfortunately I had to reduce the pixels to make the photo under 500KB for Rootschat attachments, but it is only a rather poor photocopy of the original photo. I suspect that the original is in the Wellingborough Museum. I could maybe send a better copy to you directly by email. I wonder if anyone could date that photo from the dress of the person in in.
regards,
Vincent
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Ian and Vincent,
Looks like we may be getting closer to the truth...the technology re size and so on is rather beyond me. But that old photo does seem to have similar tall chimneys too. There's a section on Rootschat where clever people could date the photo for us fairly accurately. I once put on a photo of a group of workmen standing in a large hole in the road in London, and we had a great deal of discussion (and fun) pinning down its exact location and date...
keith
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Hi all :)
The Photo Restoration and Dating board has heard your call and I am here to see if I can help date your photo/s :)
The photo of the house is pretty nigh impossible to date as no detail of clothing etc. can be seen, nor do we have any information about its size, mount etc.
The photo of the man I would put in the 1860s or possibly early 70s, but we would need to see the whole photo to pin it down more (i.e. all of the picture plus the mounting card that it's on, and the back of the card if there's anything on it).
Hope that helps a bit!
Cheers
Prue
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Thank you Prue.
Greatly appreciated.
Sandy
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Agree with Prue on the dating but would tend more to the earlier end of her time frame...1860s. The full-length pose, blank background, small table and the out-of-focus flooring (a limitation of early camera lenses) all say early-mid 1860s to me.
Cheers,
China
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My contribution is pre 1870, possibly the mid 1860s.
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Dear all,
I have had personal message exchanges with Ian and Prue, but I thought I would post this response more generally on this thread.
The photo of William Dulley is an original from my daughter's mother, that I have temporarily borrowed. On the back is handwritten in ink "Grandfather Wm Dulley" in the handwriting of Constance Cook. The printed notice on the back says "Negatives kept - Copies can always de had", and gives the photographer as "T. Miller" at an address that looks like "7 Kilke White Street, Nottingham". I am inclined to date it to the 1860s as well, but maybe with this information photo buffs can be more precise.
Secondly, with this I have a photo of his wife, Sarah Dulley (nee Mee) (1809-1863) (attached), which must date from before 1863, when she died in June 1863, aged 54. On the back of the photo is the number written in pencil 4107, and the writing in ink "Grandmother Dulley (nee Mee)" and the printed emblem of the photographer - "C.T. Newcombe" at "109 Regent St., W" "and at 135 Fenchurch St., City" (presumably in London.
Do any of you have further thoughts on these?
regards,
Vincent
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Also early-mid 1860s, well before 1868 when skirt fashion changed. The necklace the lady is wearing will likely be hand-carved out of a single piece of wood...a sort of love token.
Pre 1863 is just right for this photo.
It would be good if we could see the entire thing, also the back if there is any printing on it.
Cheers,
China
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Just an up-date. :)
The house in the photograph on Page 6, reply 57 it seems
is much to modern to be the Cottage of 1840's-50's that was
asked about in the original request.
I thought so at the time but did not want to dis-agree with all.
Sandy
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Hi again, Sandy,
Nice to hear from you again, and thanks for those remarks!
We had our 39th Cambridge Beer Festival here in late May, and I always make a bee-line for the man with the stall who sells books that deal with Brewers. This time I picked up a copy of the second edition of "Brewed in Northants" by Mike Brown, and pages 196-200 have lots of lovely detail about DULLEY's.
By the by, there was also a good pictorial history (which I couldn't help buying as well) of the WETHERED brewing family by a former employer, David Evans, which came out only last year, 2011. My great-grandmother married into this WETHERED family in 1897...
very best wishes, keith
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Dear all,
I have had personal message exchanges with Ian and Prue, but I thought I would post this response more generally on this thread.
The photo of William Dulley is an original from my daughter's mother, that I have temporarily borrowed. On the back is handwritten in ink "Grandfather Wm Dulley" in the handwriting of Constance Cook. The printed notice on the back says "Negatives kept - Copies can always de had", and gives the photographer as "T. Miller" at an address that looks like "7 Kilke White Street, Nottingham". I am inclined to date it to the 1860s as well, but maybe with this information photo buffs can be more precise.
Secondly, with this I have a photo of his wife, Sarah Dulley (nee Mee) (1809-1863) (attached), which must date from before 1863, when she died in June 1863, aged 54. On the back of the photo is the number written in pencil 4107, and the writing in ink "Grandmother Dulley (nee Mee)" and the printed emblem of the photographer - "C.T. Newcombe" at "109 Regent St., W" "and at 135 Fenchurch St., City" (presumably in London.
Do any of you have further thoughts on these?
regards,
Vincent
HI Vincent
l was kindly shown the link to this post by Sandy who mentioned your connection to the Mee Family and that Sarah Dulley ( nee Mee ) Grandfather was Francis Mee who l recently found l believe to be his baptism Francis Mee 13 September 1701 All Hallow Church Rushden, My link is through Francis Mee and his Second Marriage to Ann Stanion and their son Samuel Mee Baptist 24 May 1736 Rushden Samuel married Elizabeth Abbott on 4th December 1758 At st Marys Church Rushden, Samuel and Elizabeth Mee's Daughter Elizabeth Mee baptist 24 March 1765 Rushden Elizabeth Married Simon Allen on the 18th April 1785 Higham Ferrers Simon and Elizabeth Allen (nee Mee) are my Grandmothers Gt GT GT Grandparents.
Samuel Mee and Elizabeth Mee (nee Abbott) also had a son named John Mee who at one time was also in the brewery business this is a link l found that mentions and a lnn called the Green Dragon
www.rushdenheritage.co.uk/Villages/HF/HF-greendragon.html
lt would be lovely to know if there is a link as do enjoy researching extended lines :)
you photo of Sarah is lovely
Kind Regards
Nadine :)
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HI Keith. :)
Good to hear from you here again.
Nice you have now seen the article in the Brewers Book of
the Dulleys.
Also that you are still collecting family heirlooms.
Hi also to Nadine, hope Vincent gets in touch with you soon.
Sandy
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Just reading about the DULLEY family, and although they are not my family I was passed to me a picture of the grave of James Dulley - died 1900........
This is the grave stone we saw in the churchyard above Menton. 1900 aged 59 years
Menton is on the border with Italy along the french coast.
Of anyone wants a copy, I am pleased to send it to them
It might just solve a mystery as to where he died for some of you folks(http://)
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Thank you for this on the gravestone of Catherine Mary Dulley in 1900. It perhaps explains why James Dulley has so far not been located in the 1901 Census in England. In the 1911 Census, however, James DULLEY (69) widowed (born in Wellingborough) Director of Brewery, was recorded with his son, James DULLEY junior (34) (single) Professional Brewer (born in Wellingborough) and 2 servants at The Gubbs, St. Mary’s Road, Leicester. He still seems to have been around in the 1920s, but I had it that James Henry DULLEY died on October 1, 1928, but I do not know where.
Vincent
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Glad the grave photo helped. Always good to share!
Toni
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Just by way of confirmation re the death of Catherine Dulley:
Northampton Mercury 28 December 1900
DULLEY - On the 22nd Dec, at Mentone, Mary, wife of James Dulley. of East Farndon Hall Market Harborough, aged 52. The only intimation
Directly above that is this one:
CHANDLEY -On the 22nd inst.at Mentone, France, Bertha Caroline wife of Wilson Chandley, Buxton. Derbyshire, and daughter of Henry H. Green. Felmersham, Beds.
It looks like they may have did in the same incident.
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There is an article in The Mercury dated 5th October 1928 of James Dulley age 86 who died in Leicester the last male member of William Dulley who founded the brewery. It is interesting reading.
CraftyP
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Goodness I didn't realise it would bring such results, finding the gravestone of Catherine, James's wife, in France.
Many thanks to all
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There is an article in The Mercury dated 5th October 1928 of James Dulley age 86 who died in Leicester the last male member of William Dulley who founded the brewery. It is interesting reading.
CraftyP
Like my Mum's family. Sadly so far as they are concerned I am a very lost sheep!!
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Good morning
This is an old thread, but I came across it while researching my great-great-Grandfather's (David Dulley) home "Rosehill" in Wellingborough. I have two photos dating from 1890 which don't help much, because one is taken in the garden and the other is a view of the garden taken from inside the house through a bay window.
Unfortunately, these photos appear to be to big to attach to this message. Should anyone be interested, I can email them to a supplied address.
Regards
Mark Fysh
Pretoria. South Africa
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David Dulley was my grandmother's great grandfather: David Dulley to Dr Benjamin Dulley to Mary Elizabeth (Dulley) Sharman, who was my grandmother's mother. Quite a few Dulley generations lived there.
Regards, Mark Fysh
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Hi Mark!
Glad you have picked up this old thread. Was your grandmother Lucy Sharman (b.c. 1860)? What siblings did Lucy have?
regards,
Vincent
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Hi Vincent
The 10 siblings of Lucy Sharman (some of her descendants live in the Cape, here in South Africa) are:
Ethel Mary, May, Fanny, Charlotte Elizabeth (mother of Reid Railton), Helen, Isabel (Norland {Nanny} Institute), Violet, Mary Nona (my grandmother), Hereward Reid, Margaret Pearce. Born to Matthew Reid and Mary Elizabeth (Dulley) Sharman of Ivy Lodge Wellingborough
Regards
Mark