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Hi, I am looking for any info on a James Ewing. He was married to an Agnes Knox ( who was deceased by 1870 ) and was working as Assistant Master at the Belfast Union Poor House also in 1870.( taken from sons marriage cert ) I have a possible address for him taken from the Belfast Directories, as staying at 151 Agnes Street, Belfast (1861) ,occupation as stated. James had a son William born about 1846 who moved to Scotland where he married. ( 1871 Scottish census ) I have searched for a marriage/birth etc for James on both free and fee paying sites but I have hit a brick wall. Any help would be grately appreciated.
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PM sent jasiain
jim
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I have just returned to this family and find myself a bit confused, on Williams wedding cert it gives his father as James but his mother as Agnes Ewing nee Knox alive in 1870.
I recently found James grave at Belfast City Cemetary where he was interred in 1878 age 71 along with Maria Ewing who died 1872 age 53 both staying prior to death at Malone Place. The burial cert states Maria was married.
The only marriage that I have seen that could be them is for a Maria McCullough marrying a James Ewing in 1856 with her fathers surname given as Knox.I initially dismissed the marriage as William would have been born 1846 and his mothers name is supposed to be Agnes, then I thought it may have been wrongly transcribed. The James that I found is definitely the right one as his profession on burial cert is as previously posted.Any suggestions ??? :) :)Thanks Jasiain
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Wehn information is sent by PM it's hard to know what has already been found but will post this just in case it helps.
Belfast Newsletter, 8 June 1878: EWING- June 7, James Ewing, late Assistant Master, Belfast Workhouse, aged 71 years. His remains will be removed from 5, Malone Place, Belfast, for interment in the Borough Cemetery, this (Saturday) afternoon, at four o'clock.
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I have no other info on this family just what has been posted :) any snippet is very welcome,and thanks for the above Jasiain :)
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Since you didn't mention the exact date of James Ewing's death I had to search the Belfast burial website and found another burial record which might be connected (or else total co-incidence)-
James McCullough Ewing, age 23, of 65 Madrid St., died 10 Jan.1898. Also in plot are Rachel Ewing (age 83) died 1918 and Mary Hill Ewing (age 39) died 1918 (only a few days apart- perhaps influenza?) and Elizabeth Isdale (age 49) died 1887.
Here's Rachel Ewing in 1911- daughter "May Helen" is actually 'Mary Hill' on original form (as in burial record)-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Madrid_Street/222168/
same family in 1901-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Madrid_Street/1215012/
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Just a thought- perhaps James Ewing married Agnes Knox, had son William in 1846, Agnes died and he married second to Maria (Knox) McCullough in 1856. The 1856 marriage certificate should give James' occupation as well as marital status (widower, divorced, single) which may clear that up.
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On the Scottish wedding cert for William it has her living, I noticed in my original post that I had her deceased but that was an error on my part ::) ( it was the brides mother)
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Belfast Newsletter, 15 July 1872: EWING- July 13, Maria, the beloved wife of James Ewing, Assistant-Master Belfast Workhouse. Her remains will be removed from her late residence, No. 5, Malone Place, Belfast, for interment in the Borough Cemetery, this (Monday) afternoon, at four o'clock. Friends will please accept this intimation.
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Should have said earlier, ownership of the burial plot when Maria died was James, when he died it had passed onto an Albert Ewing, but when I searched the Belfast cemetary site they had no record for him.I have tried the IGI but cannot find him to try and establish who he was :)
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Thought Albert Ewing in Belfast? would be easy to find but suspect if he was born in Ireland then it was before birth registration (1864) and perhaps died after 1921 (latest date for online civil registration index).
Might not be connected but I did find this plot which has a later Albert-
City Cemetery: E1 708
John Ewing (c1875-9 Oct.1893, 15 Derwent St.)
George William Ewing (c1893-5 May 1894, 15 Derwent St.)
Albert Ewing (1889-23 Apr.1890, 49 Solway Street) father Andrew
William Henry Ewing (c1877-22 July 1900, 15 Derwent St.)
Thomas McKeown Ewing (c1883-27 Jan.1917, 15 Hatton Dr.)
If they later turn out to be connected I can post the details I found on them.
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Hi Jasiain,
PRONI hold this document, which might prove useful:
T/2637/2-5
Genealogical table of the Ewing family,
Belfast, 1731-1920,
compiled c1970.
One EWING family were "big in banking" in Belfast in the late 18thC, investing in shipping enterprises, etc.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,259936.msg1474195.html#msg1474195
Capt. Jock
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I recently purchased James son Williams death cert on SP, he died age 63 in 1911 Glasgow, on it his mother is now a Margaret Lafferty ???It is the right William as fathers ( James ) occupation is given as clerk in workhouse, wifes name and registrant all confirm this is the correct cert.I can only assume that his daughter understood that Margaret Lafferty was her grandmother? This family are becoming really confusing ;D ;D Any suggestions greatly appreciated :)
ps thanks for the above Jasian
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Even though I have the date of death for James Ewing I have never been able to find his death certificate, and its not for want of trying ;D
I would be really grateful if fresh eyes would take a look.
He died Belfast,7th June 1878 Thanks
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Even though I have the date of death for James Ewing I have never been able to find his death certificate, and its not for want of trying ;D
I would be really grateful if fresh eyes would take a look.
He died Belfast,7th June 1878 Thanks
I can’t see the death either. I have checked both GRONI and the irishgenealogy site. I would phone or e-mail GRONI with the death information you have (which is pretty clear and specific), and ask them to check the original registers for Belfast to see if the death is there but has been overlooked when the records were put on-line. If it’s not there, then the conclusion would seem to be that it wasn’t registered, which did happen from time to time.
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Thank you for having a look Elwyn.
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I also searched last night and couldn't find the registration either.
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Thank you too Aghadowey.
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I wonder if the information recorded about William's mother is all just a bit muddled up and misremembered, and perhaps if this was in part due to her having died when William was young? The James Ewing who married Maria (Knox) McCullough on 23 April 1856 was recorded as a widower, a teacher, the son of William Ewing a merchant. Note the following from a couple of years earlier (the Banner of Ulster of 30 May 1854 and the Belfast Commercial Chronicle of 1 June 1854):
On the 27th ult., of consumption, aged 43 years, Ann, wife of Mr. James Ewing, Assistant-Master of the Belfast Union Workhouse.
Might be nothing, but note the following baptisms for folk called James Ewing and Ann Lavery in Belfast:
- Peter Ewing baptised on 28 January 1838 in Ballymacarrett Church of Ireland parish;
- James Ewing baptised on 18 July 1843 in St. Matthew's RC Church...
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633102#page/9/mode/1up (right page);
- William Ewing baptised on 2 May 1845 in Ballymacarrett Church of Ireland parish;
- Mary Ewing baptised on 31 August 1853 in St. Anne's Church of Ireland (address given as Ballynafeigh).
There was also a Margaret Ewing baptised on 8 October 1847 in St. Anne's Church of Ireland for James Ewing and what has been transcribed as Ann Lowry, again the address was given as Ballynafeigh.
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Note the bride's address of 5 Malone Place and the witness name Albert Ewing in the following marriage:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11098/8062001.pdf
A couple of births to this couple:
- James Ewing McDermott:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02922/2070688.pdf
- Albert Edward McDermott:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02854/2045974.pdf
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Gaffy thank you so much for your time and effort, how you found Annie's marriage with the Malone address and Albert as a witness........amazing ;D
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... The James Ewing who married Maria (Knox) McCullough on 23 April 1856 was recorded as a widower, a teacher, the son of William Ewing a merchant ...
Further to above, the father of Maria McCullough in the 1856 record of marriage to James Ewing was cited as Robert Knox, a bleacher. In addition, you previously mentioned James Ewing's address according to the 1861 Belfast street directory, namely this entry:
Ewing, James, assistant master, Workhouse, 151 Agnes Street.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1861a2f.htm
Note therefore the following from the Belfast Morning News of 23 January 1860:
January 20, at the house of his son-in-law, Mr Jas. Ewing, No. 151, Agnes Street, Belfast, Mr. Robert Knox, late of Newforge, near Belfast, aged 71 years.
With that new linkage of a James Ewing specifically described in the street directory as a Workhouse assistant master, through the address 151 Agnes Street, to the newspaper report of the death of a father-in-law called Robert Knox, it's looking more promising that after his wife Ann died in 1854, James Ewing went on to marry Maria McCullough a couple of years later (regardless of what son William's marriage and death records state about his mother).
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Thank you once again.
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Thanks to Gaffy for finding the Ewing/Mcdermott marriage I thought yeah.....and then I came to a stop. Nothing on the census or irish genealogy for this family.(that I could find ;D)
So I tried Scotland and another rootschatter kindly looked at the 1891 census on Ancestry and they found a possible family where a James and Albert McDermott, correct ages were staying with their grandmother Catherine in the Gorbals.
On that census was also a Catherine A McDermott age 6 so I purchased her birth certificate and her parents were Edward McDermott and Annie Ewing, so right parents but I cannot find anything about the family in Scotland or Ireland after 1891 or where their parents were.
I tried family search for possible emigration but have found nothing.
Edward was an insurance society salesman on Catherine's birth certificate.Any help would be appreciated as to what happened to this family.
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The McDermott do seem to be hiding somewhere!
Edward McDermott (c1856), son of Bryan (schoolmaster), m.(1878) Annie Ewing.
c1885- insurance society salesman. 1891 children Gorbals Lanark
1. James Ewing McDermott (7 May 1879-aft.1891)
2. Albert Edward McDermott (18 Nov.1880-aft.1891)
3. Catherine A. McDermott (c1885-aft.1891)
1891 census- Gorbals, Lanarkshire
Catherine McDermott (65), Mary McDermott (21), James McDermott (12), Albert McDermott (10), Catherine A. McDermott (6), Mary McDermott (5), Lily McDermott (2)
So, who are the 2 Marys and Lily?
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I purchased Lilys birth certificate and she is the illegitimate daughter of Mary McDermott, daughter of a school teacher, so Catherine's granddaughter.
But I also found a death for a Lily McDermott age 7 in 1895, father Edward a spirit dealer in Castlereagh with Catherine McDermott grandmother registering the death.
I thought I had found a marriage for Mary previous to 1895 in Ireland but cannot find it in my notes and wondered if Edward had been raising Lily as his.
Thank you for posting and I will have another look at finding the marriage in question.
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Mary McDermott father Brian, a teacher married John McGowan in November 1895 Ballymacarett.
It seems that the family may have come back but I cannot find them on the census or any marriages for example that would give me there whereabouts.
Thanks again for helping me with this thread.
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1901 Sintonville avenue Pottinger Mary Eleanor McDermott is with her aunt Mary and John McGowan.
There is also a death for a Catherine McDermott age 70 of that address in 1900, registered by the coroner not a family member.
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Have been doing a bit of digging on Edward McDermott and his family with the new details you found and MAY have found a bit about Edward and why children were with his mother & sister in 1891!
Still checking and cross checking but meanwhile here's a birth announcement for his eldest son-
Belfast Morning News, 9 May 1879: M'DERMOTT— May 8, 5, Malone … Belfast, the wife of Edward M'Dermott, of son.
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Thank you it really is appreciated.
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Here's a bit of what seems to be the McDermott family-
Bryan/Brian McDermott (d.bef.1891), schoolmaster, son of William, m.(1848 Co.Wicklow) Catherine Martin (c1830-1900)
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGV8-YV8D
Wicklow News-Letter and County Advertiser, 13 July 1861: …acres ground, entirely surrounded a high wall, with gate entrance, etc.; well supplied with spring water. Mr. M‘Dermott, at the School-house, Laragh, give every information as to terms, and will shew the premises.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05755/4625703.pdf
1. Edward McDermott (c1856), son of Bryan (schoolmaster), m.(1878) Annie Ewing.
c1885- insurance society salesman. 1891 children Gorbals Lanark
a. James Ewing McDermott (7 May 1879-aft.1891)
b. Albert Edward McDermott (18 Nov.1880-aft.1891)
? 1901- Aldershot https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9XS-H43 Albert McDermott, 19, Co.Down
c. Catherine A. McDermott (c1885-aft.1891)
2. Daughter (1869 Laragh, Wicklow)- father Bryan, Parish Clerk – Mary Eleanor?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03375/2237276.pdf
3. Mary Eleanor McDermott (c1873 Co. Wicklow), schoolteacher, m.(27 Nov.1895 Ballymacarrett) John McKelvey McGowan (d.1909)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Sintonville_Avenue/1221220/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05463/4529070.pdf (John)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Crystal_Street/227944/
a. Mary Eleanor McDermott (c1887 Glasgow-aft.1901)- or is this Edward & Annie's daughter?
b. Lily McDermott (c1889-14 July 1895)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05925/4682623.pdf (9 Severn St., father Edward McDermott, spirit grocer)
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This MAY be the same Edward McDermott-
• Glasgow Evening Post, 10 Jan.1889: COATBRIDGE TRANSFER LICENSING COURT. (By Telegraph.) At Transfer Licensing Court to-day at Coatbridge... Mr. Wilson, inspector of ..., was granted a transfer of the license lately held Edward M Dermott, Main ...
• Glasgow Evening Post, 16 Jan.1889: EXAMINATIONS. Edward M'Dermott, spirit merchant, carrying on business 299 Bank Street and at 87 Main Street Coatbridge—to be examined in the ... Chambers, County Buildings, Airdrie, 25th January...
• Glasgow Evening Post, 6 Apr.1889: APPREHENSION OF A BANKRUPT.—Edward M'Dermott, lately a publican in Coatbridge, has been apprehended in Glasgow on charge fraud and perjury in connection with his recent bankruptcy.
• Lanarkshire Upper Ward Examiner, 13 Apr.1889: reported in Saturday's issue, Edward M'Dermott, lately a spirit dealer in Bank Street and Main Street, Coathridge, was apprehended in Glasgow on Friday on a Sheriff's warrant charging him with fraudulent bankruptcy and perjury on oath. M'Dermott, it will ...
• Belfast News-Letter, 11 May 1889: Edward M'Dermott, a bankrupt, was sent to prison for nine months at Airdrie Criminal Court yesterday for committing perjury during his public examination at Coatbridge...
• Glasgow Evening Post, 19 June 1889: creditors whose claims have been lodged and admitted on the sequestrated estate of Edward M’Dermott, wine and spirit merchant, 299 Bank Street and Main Street, Coatbridge.
• Lanarkshire Upper Ward Examiner, 24 May 1890: THE LICENSING QUESTION. Captain Dons stated that Connor M°Guire held the license in 1883. On his failure it was transferred to Edward M'Dermott, who also failed after being less than twelve months in the business, and was sent to prison for fraudulent bankruptcy. Then the license came into Wilson's hands...
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This is just unbelievable, this is my other halfs relative, but, he already has another family member, not a Ewing associate/ affiliate who was also trading in Bank street and ended up in Hamilton prison for bankruptcy.
That is some coincidence ;D ;D
Once again thank you so much.
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I have found Annie Ewing/ McDermotts death in Dennistoun in 1886, age given as 36 with mother Maria Knox.
Edwards occupation is stated as being a draper (he registered her death)
Either age is wrong or Edward was under the impression that Maria was her mother as Agnes Knox was still living in 1850 and married to James.
It seems she died after giving birth to Mary born 1886, post partum haemorrhage 2 days.
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Very sad but at least Annie (Ewing) McDermott has been found.