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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Luzzu on Sunday 16 October 11 23:34 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Hoping someone can help fill in a couple of gaps please.
John France was born in Slaithwaite, Yorkshire and baptised at Slaithwaite St James 27 May 1787. He had moved to Manchester by 1821.
In 1841 and 1851 he is living at Lyons Court, Abingdon Street, Manchester.
His wife, Hannah, died in 1857 and is buried in Ardwick Cemetery. She died at Woburn Place, Chorlton-on-Medlock and John was present at the death.
John died in January 1863, aged 74, at 12 Ernest Street, Manchester but I can't find a burial for him.
Can anyone see him in 1861?
Can anyone help me find out who was living at 12 Ernest Street in 1861?
Can anyone suggest where he might be buried?
Thank you.
Luzzu
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Hi Luzzu :)
12 Ernest Street, Manchester in 1861 although probably not much help:
James Yates, Head, Mar, 27, Engine Tenter, Prestwich
Sarah, Wife, Mar, 28, Cotton Winder, Bolton
Mary, Daur, 3, Manchester
Fanny, Daur, 10 months, Manchester
Mo
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Hi - in 1861 at 12 Ernest street - James Yates, Sarah Yates, Mary Yates and Fanny Yates.
James was the head and was a engine Tenter and Sarah his wife was a cotton winder.
Mary and Fanny were their daughters.
Cheers
Megan
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Thanks for checking 12 Ernest Street for me. You're right it doesn't help. I was hoping there might be some of John's family living there but I don't know who the Yates family are :-[.
Luzzu
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Just found a note in my files ::) ??? ::) that he is Rusholme Road in grave 3377 but I don't know how I know that as it was before the FindMyPast Manchester records came online and I can't find it on there and my note leaves a lot to be desired.
So just need to find him in 1861 now. I suppose he could have got missed off or perhaps there is a page missing.
Luzzu :)
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is he with the Blakeley family in Mirfield Yorkshire,he is 80 and a joiner,his Grandson Joe was born in Manchester
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Thanks Radcliff. It's certainly a possibility but I am not sure at all.
My John France should have been in his early 70's in 1861 so the one with the Blakeley family is a bit old but then they weren't very accurate with their ages.
My John France, as far as know, didn't have a daughter called Ann.
The children I have so far are:-
Henry b1812 Slaithwaite
Joseph b1814 Slaithwaite
Mary b1818 Slaithwaite
William b1819 Slaithwaite
Charles b1820 Manchester
Jonathan b1826 Manchester
Adam b1830 Manchester
All the older children moved to Manchester, married and died there with the exception of Mary b1818, I don't have a record of her after he baptism.
There are some gaps and I think there might be some children missing but there aren't any gaps around 1819 when the Ann Blakeley would have been born. I would have thought there should have been a child called Ann or Hannah as that was his wife's name.
Then there is Mirfield. Although not far from Slaithwaite, Mirfield hasn't appeared on any of the records for this family. Everything for John and also his brother, William, happened in Slaithwaite and then the two brothers moved their families to Manchester almost simultaneously.
So I am not sure ???.
Luzzu
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Did they have two Marys the baptism I was looking at last night was August 1816
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Yes you are right. Sorry. I'm in a bit of muddle now. I am starting checking to try and identify a marriage for him and thought it best to try and double check everything first. Only one Mary but baptised 25 August 1816. Thank you. This is what I have so far:-
17.05.1812 Henry
09.01.1814 Joseph
25.08.1816 Mary
1819? William
The baptisms are at Slaithwaite St James, the address is Hilltop, his occupation is cotton spinner and the mother is Hannah on Joseph and Mary's but their is no mother's name for Henry.
I haven't found one yet for William but he could have been born in Slaithwaite and baptised at Manchester Cathedral. I haven't got upto double checking the Manchester Cathedral ones yet.
I think there were 3 or 4 John Frances baptising children at Slaithwaite St James at that time.
Luzzu
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Just looking at Manchester Cathedral. No sign of a baptism for William born 1819 but I have him with the family 1841 and then his marriage to Sarah Ann Hopwood on 23 Apr 1848. The same is for Jonathan - I know he is definitely with the family but there is no baptism. I have also found another Mary so I think this a list of John and Hannah's children:-
Henry bap 17.05.1812 Slaithwaite St James
Joseph bap 09.01.1814 Slaithwaite St James
Mary bap 25.08.1816 Slaithwaite St James
William born 1819 Slaithwaite
Charles bap 21.10.1821 Manchester Cathedral
Mary bap 05.05.1822 Manchester Cathedral
Jonathan born 1826 Manchester
Elizabeth bap 28.01.1827 Manchester Cathedral
Adam bap 08.08.1830 Manchester Cathedral
Luzzu
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Hi Luzzu,
My 3x Greatgrandfather was John France born 1787. I'm wondering if we can share information?
it looks like you have some things I havn't and I have John's father as possibly Joseph France?
Regards
J
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Hi Ambery
Sorry for the delayed reply as I have been taking a break from family history. Yes I don't mind sharing information. My 4 x gt grandparents were William France and Elizabeth Armitage. I think from memory my William and your John were brothers. I have ?parents for William and John as William France and Sarah Bailey. If you would like to communicate off thread, once you have made three posts, I will be able to PM my email address.
Luzzu :)
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Hi
I am looking to help with the restoration project at the Cemetery but seem to be going round in circles trying to fin some one to contact !!!!!!
Hope you can help, I have a lot of relatives buried in the Cemetery
Regards
Sharon Bowles