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Alexander (1832) married Jane McCaull (1836) in Ireland his parents were John Hattrick (10/11/1872) who married to Catherine O'Niel on the 14th of July 1830. If anyone has any other info on these people I would be very grateful for any input as I am stuck here and can not get any further.
Corsebank
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http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearchResults.aspx
Has a will of a John H died 1872 with son Alexander. Is this the family and date for John you mean?
See also:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,551636.0.html
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Brilliant, thanks very much.
I find it hard to research the Irish records, in fact I find it hard with any records and I easily get confused. I am new to this kind of thing on the computer but find it getting better all the time especially with people like you who give their time to replying to people like me. This is my wifes Great, Great, Great Grandfather and all I have found out so far is that he was married to a Catherine O'Niel on the 14th of July 1830. With this will to read I will I think find out many more things about him and his family.
Once Again
Thanks Very Much
Corsebank
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Its quite an interesting will - I particularly like the weekly income for the wife! - to see page 2 and 3 just keep clicking the next button- just in case you didn't notice it.
Familysearch.org (extracted, old version) gives this spelling for the marriage:
CATHERINE O NEILE
JOHN HETRICK
Marriage:
14 JUL 1830 Saint Ann'S, Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
Not well up on Belfast churches - wondering if someone else would know where this is? Is it where the C of I Cathedral is nowadays - just realised don't know what religion!
A possible death for John:
Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958 for John Hattrick
Name: John Hattrick
Registration Quarter and Year: 1872
Estimated Birth Year: 1799
Age (at Death): 73
Volume Number: 16
Page Number: 245
He is at No 24 Annette Street, off Verner Street in 1861, differnt spelling again:
26. John Hatrick, sawyer.
There is no no 31 at this point -
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1852streetsatol.htm
(- but it is worth noting his neighbours - just in case any of the children marry them!)
Welcome to rootschat, by the way, we all had to start somewhere!
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St Ann's Church, Belfast was demolished about 1901, and St Ann's Cathedral was then built on the same site.
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Hi,
One of the executors of the will of John Hattrick was James Horner Haslett. I wonder if this was the man who became a Member of Parliament and was Lord Mayor of Belfast for two terms. He was also knighted.
I also notice that there is the will for another John Hattrick who died in 1876, a sea captain from Londonderry.
Regards
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1887 Street directory has Cath Hattrick spinster living at No. 31 Annette St.
She may be the daughter mentioned in the will. The other property mentioned in the will, Hattrick Place intersects with Anette Street, as can be seen in the listing.
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/acomplete1877.htm
Griffith's valuation has a John Hettrick living at:
Cromac Townparks Annette Street Shankill Antrim
So that places him there in the 1850's
He appears to be the owner and leesee of 13 properties in Annette St and Hattrick place. He is renting 29 from Sir Stephen May. He owns 31 and has iit rented out to a Henry Gibson.
You can print out the entry and the maps on:
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
Just type Hattrick in the family name box, Antrim in the County, and click search.
Thanks for the info about St. Annes - found it on wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Anne%27s_Cathedral,_Belfast
Thats interesting about the Lord Mayor. As he was clearly fairly well off, there may be a political, church or family connection, if it is the Mayor.
There are a few bits and bobs online about the sea captain, but I cannot see any way to connect him from the will, so far.
Hope as you are new to this what I have written makes sense - feel free to throw in any comments or questions.
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Hi this is a long shot as a few years have passed since your post! But I too am interested in John Hatrick/Catherine McNeil. John is possibly the brother of my great great great grandfather Alexander Hatrick, of Greenock, Scotland. Have you been able to find out where he was born? Regards
Amanda Morrison
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John Hattrick the sea captain
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jt1/
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7GY-11K
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Brothers and Sisters ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCK-JJL
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCK-NF8
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG69-S4F
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Hi - thanks for the links. Yes this Alexander and John would appear to be brothers, marrying sisters. What I need to know is where the father, John Hatrick, was born. If in Scotland then his dates and names would fit with my family. So far, no luck with finding this out. Cheers.
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Hi Corsebank, I've read your posts (and their answers) with a great deal of interest. As near as I can tell your wife and I would be 3rd cousins. My g-grandmother was the daughter of John & Catherine (O'Neill) Hattrick. I would very much like to learn more of what you have uncovered.
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I tried for the Hatrick Hattrick Hettrick in
1. http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/shankill-parish.php#.XE8NZC2cZEI
2. http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1819_Alphanames.htm there are O’Neils
3. http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1843e2k.htm
4. http://www.cliftonstreetcemetery.com
The Registry
1857
April 9 page 73
John Hatrick
(Croope)
Aged 8 Months
Child of John Hatrick
Castle Street
Born at Belfast
Platform I Grave Number 23
1873
March 20 page 98
John Montgomery Hatrick
(Bronchitis)
Aged 1
66 Eliza Street
Parents from Belfast
Platform I, Grave Number 23
Upper Ground 3 spellings no entries
Lower Ground 3 spellings no entries
5. https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/ please look up for addressess etc
Catherine-Hatrick-76 Years-11 August 1877-13 August 1877-City Cemetery-View details-
John-Hatrick-84 Years-13 January 1919-15 January 1919-City Cemetery-View details-
Margaret-Hatrick-75 Years-2 January 1906-4 January 1906-City Cemetery-View details-
ames-Hattrick-80 Years-24 February 1915-3 March 1915-City Cemetery - Public Ground-View details-
John-Hattrick-73 Years-10 November 1872-12 November 1872-City Cemetery-View details-
6. https://www.ancestryireland.com Ulster Historical Foundation I leave you to look up first details, thereafter your join or purchase credits etc and other spellings
Irish Birth/Baptism Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c. 1660-1930 3 results
Pay-Per-ViewIrish Marriage Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c.1660-1930 0
Pay-Per-ViewIrish Death/Burial Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c. 1660-1998 3 results
Pay-Per-ViewNorthern Irish Gravestone Inscriptions 0
Pay-Per-ViewBiographies of Members of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800 0
Free
Database Name No. Records
FreeGraveyards in Ulster 0
FreeMembers’ Research Interests 3 results
have run out of time Good luck
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Thanks Bally. The Belfast City Cemetery Hattricks are my ancestors. John (d.1872) and Catherine (d.1877) were my gg-grandparents. The other John was their son and Margaret (McCaull) his wife - they are half of the brothers-married-to-sisters mentioned previously.
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Not sure if you have this-
Probate of the Will of the late John Hatrick, 1 Lorelie, Bangor, Co. Down, Retired Corporation Official, who died 13 January 1919, granted at Belfast 28 February 1919 to William T. Unsworth, Director, the son in law, Ina Hatrick Graham, Married Woman. Effects: £3709 13s 11d. Assets resworn to £4109 13s 11d on 5 August 1919.
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
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in 1839 Martin's Belfast Directory lists John Hatrick of 44 Cromac St as a Sawyer see http://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/media/0w6BMRvjDG6qffy8zvzeHQ..a?ts=N0PsD47feyJCOwucyaVHzQ..a
the ancestryireland.com website takes your name in ireland back to c 1616 with a Strabane connection with a member 23760 in his listed research interests, another member 10558 is searching for info on Joshua and William Hatrick bc1765-1784
although not necessarily an irish relative connection as such,, Using http://www.dippam.ac.uk/ied/ you will find various exploits of the mariners Master Hatrick and Capt Hatrick in particular in 1832 sinking of his vessel the Brig Beaver, he and crew were abandoned by another vessel and saved the next day by a second. the website has some 15 items mainly Derry one Belfast entry with a Capt Pat Hatrick
good luck onwards
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Thank you once again, Bally. I have documented John Hattrick (b.1799) extensively but have never found anything earlier than that information to which you have linked. In one of Corsebank's posts he mentioned a marriage date which is something I've not yet been able to track down. Currently I am working on confirming or denying that he is the JH born in Greenock, Scotland. To that end I am tracing the Hattrick/Hatrick family from their first appearance (1648) in Scottish records.
One particularly intriguing aspect of the Greenock JH is parentage. I've found two couples, Alexander Hattrick/Helen Adam & Alexander Hatrick/Helen Adam. The double 'T' are Greenock JH's parents and, despite my initial misgivings, seem to be a distinctly different pair. The single 'T' couple had an Alexander in 1799. Other births are confused by the interchanging use of TT and T.
The IED site is wonderful - thanks so very much for that link. I can't imagine why I've never heard of it before and expect to spend quite some time there. Cheers.