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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Terie on Sunday 30 October 11 21:05 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any descendants of these 3 Coughlan brothers:
Charles Mackenzie Coughlan born Burwood,1894,
Paul Mackenzie Coughlan born Ashfield,1896,
Hector Mackenzie Coughlan born Burwood,1900.
I believe all 3 brothers served in the Great War.
Parents were Agnes Glendinning Mackenzie born 29th June 1864,Edinburgh,Scotland and Henry Coughlan,Agnes came to Australia around 1887 with her brother George Mackenzie who died 31st May 1889, she married Henry in 1893 Hurstville.
Agnes G Mackenzie is part of the Burns family in Scotland which I am researching, thanks for reading,
Amanda.
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Are you wanting actual contact for these brothers from their descendants or would you like further information on them ie marriage children and deaths
The elder two brothers fought in WW1 one winning the Military MEdal and the other being recommend for it edit to add he other also received the military medal
http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/index.html
thanks Jenn
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A sad story:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/45570759?searchTerm=hector coughlan&searchLimits=
Leanne
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Thank you for your replies Leanne & Jenn,
interesting story about Hector, I know that Charles married Margaret McGregor Burns in Hawick, Scotland on Jan 19th 1922,( they were related on the Burns side of the family), they had a dau Ruth McKenzie Coughlan later that year and then returned to Australia, I'd like to know about any descendants of the 3 brothers and make contact,
Amanda.
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http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistory.htm
Has the following marriage registration:
6654/1947
MEAD Robert Ernest
COUGHLAN X
Registered at Manly
www.ryersonindex.org
has the following entry:
MEAD Robert Ernest
Death notice 15 NOV 1999
Death 78
late of Wyong, North Rocks, Hamlyn Terrace
Sydney Morning Herald 18 NOV 1999
Also:
COUGHLAN Charles McKenzie
Death notice 18 FEB 1966
Death 72
late of Balgowlah
Sydney Morning Herald 19 FEB 1966
There is also:
COUGHLAN Hector McKenzie
Death notice 16 NOV 1995
Death 71 late of Narrabeen
Sydney Morning Herald 18 NOV
1995
May be worth getting look-ups from the main page of the website.
Leanne
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I think the Hector Mckenzie COUGHLAN, deceased 1995 is the Hector Mckenzie wwith father Charles as listed on www.naa.gov.au ww2 service document:
COUGHLAN Hector Mckenzie
Service Number - 66391
Date of birth - 05 Nov 1924
Place of birth - MANLY NSW
Place of enlistment - SYDNEY
Next of Kin - COUGHLAN Charles
Leanne
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Think this is the Engagement for Charles McKenzie Coughlan son of a Hector Coughlan. ???
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17624643
Johngirl
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The surname is spelt incorrectly in the topic heading.
Australian Electoral Rolls
NSW 1930
COUGHLAN Charles Mackenzie Bungalow Avenue, Balgowlah Fitter
COUGHLAN Margaret MacGregor Bungalow Avenue, Balgowlah HD
Death
25409/1935
COUGHLAN Margaret McG
Father Robert Mother Margaret
District Manly
Death notice for Margaret....dearly loved mother of Ruth and Hector.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0gah/
1936, 1937
COUGHLAN Charles Mackenzie Bungalow Avenue, Balgowlah Fitter
Marriage NSW
427/1940
COUGHLAN Charles Mckenzie
STUART Amy Millicent
District Sydney
The engagement notice reads....son of the late Mr and Mrs H J COUGHLAN of Homebush.
1943, 1949, 1954, 1958, 1963
COUGHLAN Charles Mackenzie Bungalow Avenue Balgowlah HD
COUGHLAN Amy Millicent Bungalow Avenue Balgowlah Fitter
1980
COUGHLAN Amy Millicent 3/121 Griffth Street, Balgowlah HD
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
COUGHLAN Amy Millicent
Death notice 17 Nov 1986
Late of Balgowlah Publichsed in the Sydney Morning Herald 19 Nov 1986
Cando
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I have pm'd further information with a possible contact.
Cheers
Cando
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Thank you all very much for your help and links, will look for any mention of the murder in Hawick newspapers, their mother Agnes Glendinning Mackenzie died in Ashfield 1920 just before the brothers left for Scotland,
will post if I find any more details,
Cheers
Amanda.
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I am the grandson of Charles McKenzie Coughlan, one of the three brothers.
Charles had a daughter, Ruth, and a son, Hector, my father, with Margret. After Margret's death, he re-married and had another daughter.
Both Ruth and Hector are now deceased.
I am the only child of Hector.
Eric
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Cando
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Hello Eric, happy to share any info I have on the family who were in Hawick, Roxburghshire, Scotland, did you know anything about the Burns/Crawford connection?
Regards
Amanda.
I have sent you a P.M.
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Eric, I will try to send the photo of the family headstone in the Wellogate Cemetery, Hawick.
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Hi Teri, if this post is still active, I am Eric's cousin and our Grandfather Charles was awarded the Military Medal and here is the amazing action he carried out to receive such a distinguished award. I still have to determine the year of his actions and I have the story of his brother Paul's actions if interested. I had no idea of this history as we grew up and was suitably amazed when I read it.
AUSTRALIAN ACTION FOR WHICH COMMENDED
On the 19th August the Headquarters of this Bde (6th Army Bde. A.F.A.) was situated at ROSIERES. At about 4pm there was considerable shell fire on the front areas and it was thought that a hostile attack was impending. A considerable concentration of fire from 4.2 guns with instantaneous fuzes was placed in front of the Headquarters and on the route through which all communication from the Headquarters and on the infantry all lines being out. Sgt HARRISON called for a volunteer to assist him in repairing the lines and Sapper COUGHLAN immediately joined him and these 2 men proceeded at the immediate risk of their lives and with great bravery and determination into the shelled area where they continue to work for a considerable period exposed to the hostile fire endeavouring to keep the communication intact and repairing breaks in the various lines as they occurred in so doing, they exposed themselves regardless of risks and with the greatest courage enabling communication to be obtained from time to time with the infantry and with various Units of the artillery and finally succeeded after 1 ˝ hours work in restoring the whole of the communications.
Their efforts were of vital importance to the Group and productive of the best results and the bravery and determination displayed was of the highest character. Both men have both been previously brought to notice during the last week for their excellent work under most trying conditions.
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Hi Teri, if this post is still active, I am Eric's cousin and our Grandfather Charles was awarded the Military Medal and here is the amazing action he carried out to receive such a distinguished award. I still have to determine the year of his actions and I have the story of his brother Paul's actions if interested. I had no idea of this history as we grew up and was suitably amazed when I read it.
AUSTRALIAN ACTION FOR WHICH COMMENDED
On the 19th August the Headquarters of this Bde (6th Army Bde. A.F.A.) was situated at ROSIERES. At about 4pm there was considerable shell fire on the front areas and it was thought that a hostile attack was impending. A considerable concentration of fire from 4.2 guns with instantaneous fuzes was placed in front of the Headquarters and on the route through which all communication from the Headquarters and on the infantry all lines being out. Sgt HARRISON called for a volunteer to assist him in repairing the lines and Sapper COUGHLAN immediately joined him and these 2 men proceeded at the immediate risk of their lives and with great bravery and determination into the shelled area where they continue to work for a considerable period exposed to the hostile fire endeavouring to keep the communication intact and repairing breaks in the various lines as they occurred in so doing, they exposed themselves regardless of risks and with the greatest courage enabling communication to be obtained from time to time with the infantry and with various Units of the artillery and finally succeeded after 1 ˝ hours work in restoring the whole of the communications.
Their efforts were of vital importance to the Group and productive of the best results and the bravery and determination displayed was of the highest character. Both men have both been previously brought to notice during the last week for their excellent work under most trying conditions.
Hi Coloes, yes post is still active, I just don't get notified when there is a reply, maybe there is a way to make that happen, thank you for the information, I was visiting Hawick, Scotland over the summer, I will send you a PM.
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I am a son of Ruth McKenzie Coughlan (deceased 2012) and Grandson of Charles MacKenzie Coughlan (deceased 1966).
As noted in previous posts and I can confirm the following re: 3 Brothers Coughlan:
Charles - Served 6th Army Bde. AFA. Service No. 2898 Awarded the Military Medal following his actions in Rosieres France on 19th August 1918. Married Margaret MacGregor Burns.
Paul - Served 6th Army Bde. AFA. Service No. 15353 Awarded the Military Medal following his actions in Hooge, Belgium on 25th September 1917. Later on 6th December 1921 shot and killed brother Hector whilst aboard the Leyland liner "Irishman". Arrested and sent to the Broadmoor Psychiatric Hospital diagnosed as Insane & mentally unstable due to Shell-Shock from WW1. I have no record of his burial site.
Hector - Joined the Army Service No. 77550, later transferred to the Air Corps as a Radio Operator. As mentioned he was killed by Paul and buried on arrival in England. I have no record of his burial site.
If anyone can confirm and advise the burial sites of both Paul and Hector this would be greatly appreciated as I would like to visit their resting places to pay my respects in the future.
Thank you.
Colin Mead