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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: scottwalker01 on Wednesday 02 November 11 03:12 GMT (UK)
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Hi Guys
I am from Australia and trying to research my ancestry. I am stuck on a Frederick Rougier who was born in Ireland and lived in Donnybrook in the early 1800's. He later moved to Scotland.
I know it is very speculative but I was hoping someone might know someone who may be researching the Rougier family or who may direct me as to where I might be able to find further information.
I was hoping to holiday in Ireland (amongst other things) and visit some of my relatives haunts.
Thanks
Scott
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Do you have any other details on your Rougier family in Ireland - e.g. names, trade or occupation, dates of birth, marriage or emigration ?
There are a few Rougier records on the IrishGenealogy website - which covers mostly Dublin city parishes. See link (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name2=&namefm=&namel=Rougier&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&submit=Search&sort=date&pageSize=100&diocese=&parish=¢ury=&decade=&exact=&ddB=&ddM=&ddD=&mmB=&mmM=&mmD=&yyB=&yyM=&yyD=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=)
For some notes on getting started see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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There's an old post on GenForum (2007) with a bit more detail from someone looking for the same name...
'...anyone know of families with the name Rougier or Ruigerin Dublin in the early 1800s? Hit a brick wall with ancestors Frederick Edward (railway contractor), his wife Louisa (ms not known). They had three daughers in the 1820s - 1830s, all born in Dublin: Belinda, Maria and Frances. Do not know of any other children. By the 1850s all three daughters were in Glasgow.'
see : link (http://genforum.genealogy.com/ireland/dublin/messages/810.html)
Shane
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Thanks Guys - thats him, Frederick Edward. Belinda Rougier (his daughter) became Belinda Davie and is my direct ancestor. Rougier seems to be a French name and was trying to track him back to France. Seems like someone else has hit the same brick wall.
Thanks to both of you in taking the time to respond to my post, I really appreciate it.
Scott Walker
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There are several public trees on Ancestry which include Frederick Edward Rougier, but none mention any sources or additional details for him other than his wife's first name and and approximate date and place of birth for his daughter Belinda (1821, 'Donebrook', Dublin)
It appears that Belinda's married name was Davie and she possibly lived in Glasgow - would a marriage or death cert give more details of her parents ?
I dont see any directory listings in Dublin city or county for Rougier (or variants) in 1824 or 1834.
Shane
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Hi Scott,
The old posting was from me, just happened to be in here again this evening, and I'd given the information on Frederick and Belinda to a couple of people.
Belinda and Frederick Rougier are also my direct ancestors, as is Belinda Davie so we are distantly related. Would be happy to share what I have, although I don't seem to manage to get further back. Do not that at least some of the family moved to Belfast from Donnybrook before getting to Scotland.
My mother also told me htt the family was French.
If you'd like to exchange information please let me know.
Regards,
Fiona
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Hi
I am also a direct descendant of Belinda Rougier and James Davie. I was working with the name Ruiger as that is how it was noted on their daughter Mary's death certificate. I am so glad to have found these postings and to find some other descendants of Belinda.
Gayle
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There are a few references to a Francois Rougier in the early 1700s in the Huguenot records for Dublin.
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Hello,
Found out recently that there is also a Louisa Ruiger in the Irish records - her father was noted as Fredrick in one record. I suspect she might be another daughter of Frederick and Louisa. This person married in 1847, so the timing is about right but I have not been able to find anything to support this idea, so it is only a guess.
Regards,
Fiona
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Hi Scott
did your Scottish ancestor go to Australia in the early 1900's?
thanks
Gayle
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Irish Genealogy shows these baptisms
Ludovica Lowson ? 5th July 1812 dtr of Frederici and Honor Ruiger,Ludovica has an asterisk behind it and a side note seems to infer the name Louisa which some how has been interpreted as Lowson.
There is also a baptism for a Martham Ruiger in 1823 to the same couple,this child appears to have died in 1840 age 15? and is buried in Glasnevin as Martha Ruiger in a standard grave with book image available.
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Here are the links to Dathai’s information and a little more
Baptism in
1812 of Louisa (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7a6fa30288054) to Fredericii RUGIER and Honora;
although LOWSON is transcribed on the records if you open the original it does not appear
it seems to be a transcription error as previously suggested
1820 of Isabellam (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e03de80167506) to Fredericii RUGIER and Honora
1823 of Martham (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e848410170564) to Fredericii RUIGER and Honora
1831 of Franciscam (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/291d1d0178001) of Frededici ROUGER & Honnora
Marriage in 1847 of Louisa (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a7f23c0547375) daughter of Frederick; carpenter.
As Louisa shows her father as a carpenter and her mother seems to have been Honora rather than Louise
this may be a different family to your Frederick
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Hello,
Thanks for the new information Gayle, Dathai and 'Myluck'. There are so many names the same in the family that I think there must be a connection. Belinda Rougier (married name Davie) had children with the same names - here first daughter was called Louisa, others included Martha, Maria, Isabella (and Belinda). Her sisters that I know of were Frances and Maria. All these names were fairly common, it seems quite a coincidence though to have all in this family as well as Frederici's in Dublin. Off to do some more digging.
Thanks again!
Fiona
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Probate of a will for Jacob Rougier 1833 in Vicars Index to Prerogative Wills . No further info available but may indicate the period the Rougier family were in Ireland.
annclare
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A few more early Rougier / Rogier records
Will in the prerogative Index of Theophilus Rougier Dublin hosier 1762 - wonder about Hugenot connection?
Marriage of Peter Rougier 1733 Dublin
From Deputy Keeper of Ireland, Index to the Act or Grant Books, and to Original Wills, of the Diocese of Dublin 1272-1858 (26th, 30th and 31st Reports, 1894, 1899)
Death of Barbara Rogier 1776 age 666 d. 21 Dec 1776 Buried 23 Dec 1776 This from the registers of the French Non-conformist Churches Dublin 1701-1831,
Also this link may be of interest.
http://www.hidden-dublin.com/huguenot/huguenot2.html
annclare
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Hello,
I am now pretty certain that the Rougiers/Rugiers that Scott, Gayle and I posted on a few years ago are the same family as the rougiers/rugiers/ruigers in the 1800s mentioned elsewhere in our string. If we start with Belinda Rougier who married James Davie - her death certificate gave her mother as Louisa. However, the odd thing was that an early census after they moved to the Glasgow area gave her name as 'Bridget' yet it was definitely the same person. At the time, I thought this was an error in the census. Have just been scouring the Dublin records again. Turns out a Bridget Rougier married a James Davey in Dublin in 1837. One of the witnesses was 'her mother Honora'. Could be a coincidence - but, the names Bridget and Davey (instead of Davie) appear in Frances Louisa Davey's (or Davie's) baptism record in Belfast and that all matches the Scottish census mentioned above. Then I looked again at Bridget's/Belinda's daughters' names, - Frances Louisa, Mary, Isabella, Belinda, Maria, and Martha. Then, looking again at Frederick and Honora, their daughters' names in the baptism records in Dublin are: Ludovica (Louisa), Isabella, Bridget (aka Belinda?), Martha, Maria and Frances. The dates work too. I haven't got any links for further back as yet. Any thoughts or additional discoveries? Best regards, Fiona
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Hi Scott
It has been a long time since you posted to this site. I hope this reply reaches you somehow. I am related to the Rougiers and Davies. My great aunt years ago told me about a Davie relative who went to Australia I believe in the early 1900's. Is that when your family went to Australia. Was it a member of the Davie family who went. Although she is no longer alive, I would like to solve this family mystery.
thank you
Gayle