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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: Eumungerie on Sunday 06 November 11 08:13 GMT (UK)
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Donald and Mary Martin(nee Matherion) were listed as coming from Lord MacDonald' Estate on their emigration record to Portland Bay, Melbourne, Victoria, on the ship called "Arabian", departing from Liverpool 3 June 1854 and arriving 19 September 1854. Donald was aged 34, birth year 1820, his residence Valtos, estate Lord MacDonald, parish Kilmuir, Inverness.
Mary Martin was aged 25, birth years 1829 at the same residence.
Could anyone help me with the locality of this estate, residence etc.? I would appreciate any information about the Isle of Sky.
Thanks
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Hi Eumungerie
The marriage or banns to the marriage show in the Old Parish Registers (OPR) on IGI as follows:
Donald MARTIN and Mary MATHESON m. 26 April 1854 in Snizort, Inverness
An image from the register can be downloaded from the pay to view site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ However, be aware that this is just before the start of official registration in Scotland so the OPR entry may be more likely than no, no more than a one line entry.
Monica
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Hello Monica,
Years ago I got a copy of Donald and Mary' marriage record. It states Names of Parties "Donald Martin, Residence East Side, When Proclaimed 9 April 1854, When Married 26 April 1854, ministers Name Rev. Angus Martin. Mary Matheson's residence was given as Glenhinnisdal. I have a good map of the Island, so I can see where Mary came from and perhaps find her on the 1851 census, but Donald's residence "East Side" has got me!
On Donald's death certificate his father is listed as Alexander Martin and his mother Margaret but no maiden name.
Trying to find him on the 1851 census is proving to be difficult.
Any help please would be appreciated. That is why I thought Lord MacDonald's Estate records might help.
Babs
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Hi, I too am searching Donald Martin and Mary, they would be my great great great grandfather/mother. Im wondering how you both went on finding the information you were looking for ?? NOW if i actually have the right Donald Martin...I actually spoke to the great grandson of Donald who is quite elderly now... he told me that his great grandfather who was the first of the MARTIN decendants in australia came by boat (they were scottish). and that the he came out to australia with his sister because she didnt want to be left behind... there was also a mention that he had a business something to do with selling flour in a mill and was undercutting the bigger companies and they didnt like it and wanted to get ri of him and thats why he came to australia...NOW im just wondering if I have the right Donald martin and Mary that you are both talking of?????? any HELP please !!
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Dear "emartin",
Can you please tell me where your Donald and Mary Martin lived in Australia? My husband's great, great grandfather Donald Martin lived and died in Rylstone, New South Wales. It appears there was more than one Donald and Mary Martin who immigrated to Australia, so yours and mine may not be the same one. I will be happy to share information if they are from the same family.
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The donald martin i have is from Rylstone. My family were from dubbo, mudgee, rylstone areas in NSW. Peter Nicholson Martin (my great great garandfather) had a Father Named Donald and a mother named Mary, that is if my research has served me right.....I am quite certain it would have to be his father as i can see no other possibilities. On peter nicholson Martin marriage certificate it says he was married at the residence of "D.Martin, Pinnacle swamp, district of rylstone". i assumed that the residence of D.martin could be the residence of Donald martin. i was given some information by my family on who Donald and mary's children were. The story was also told they were from scotland. there is only one donald martin burried in Rylstone cemetery who died in 1888.
would love to hear back from you, i do have some old family photographs.
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Hello again,
We have the same Martin family. My husband is descended from Peter Nicholson Martin who died in Dubbo 21 June 1921. His son Maurice John Martin was Graham's grand father. My email address is
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I will be very happy to hear from you.
Babs :)
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wow, this is fun! but looks like this chat page didnt allow you to post your email address on the page
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Hi
If you use the green scroll thingy below the persons name you can send personal messages after you have posted 3 times and exchange email addy's that way. saves spammers getting hold of your email address.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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hi i too am descended from Donald & Mary martin. My grandfather Osric Martin was his great grand son. We too are from the Dubbo area originally. Would love to find out more info if you want to share..thanks
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Hi all, am looking for any info/photos of Martin Family. Im descended from Donald & Mary (GGG Grandparents) and their son Peter Nicholson Martin. Unfortunately we have very little info on this side of the family :'(. Thanks in advance...
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Margaret Martin's surname is Martin I believe. She died on 9 Feb 1867 in Valtos. See Scotland's People website. Death cert available. Her fqther wqs Mqrtin Mqrtin qnd her mother was Mqrion Macleod.
Her husband reads Alexander Martin I believe.
The sister would then be Margaret Martin (nee MARTIN), aged 39, married to Angus Martin (41) from Kilmuir, unless she was travelling under her husband's surname. There were 4 children of Angus Martin oof Kilmuir: Margaret 19, Archibald 13, Angus 8, and George 7.
MATHESON Ann 23 Conista Kilmaluag Lord MacDonald
576
P/N £4-6-8
MATHESON Marian 44 Glenhinnisdale Lord MacDonald
577 Flora 24
Alexander 23
Catherine 20
Marian 17
Catherine 14
Margaret 10
Christy 5
Marian a widow. Very poor family P/N £25-2-7
MATHESON Kate 30 Stenscholl Lord MacDonald
578 Angus 26 (Brother)
P/N £10-0-0
MATHESON Murdo 31 Glenhinnisdale Lord MacDonald
586 Janet 21 (Wife)
No aid
Steve
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I have family who came out to NZ after being tenants on the above estate. On Skye there is the Museum of the Isles and they have information about many of the families. I found them very helpful with a general inquiry and later I paid for some specific searches which was well worth the money.
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"Mary Matheson's residence was given as Glenhinnisdal. I have a good map of the Island, so I can see where Mary came from and perhaps find her on the 1851 census, but Donald's residence "East Side" has got me!
On Donald's death certificate his father is listed as Alexander Martin and his mother Margaret but no maiden name."
Staffin (Scottish Gaelic: Stafain) is a district with the Gaelic name An Taobh Sear, which translates as 'the East Side', on the northeast coast of the Trotternish peninsula of the island of Skye. It is located on the A855 road about 17 miles (27 km) north of Portree and is overlooked by the Trotternish Ridge with the famous rock formations of The Storr and the Quirang. The district comprises 23 townships made up of, from south to north, Rigg, Tote, Lealt, Lonfearn, Grealin, Breackry, Cul-nan-cnoc, Bhaltos, Raiseburgh, Ellishader, Garafad, Clachan, Garros, Marrishader, Maligar, Stenscholl, Brogaig, Sartle, Glasphein, Digg, Dunan, Flodigarry and Greap.
In Stenscholl marriages I have seen Valtos East Side written too.
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I'm unsure if this will be of any help on the thread but...
The Gaelic Alphabet has only 18 letters rather than the English Alphabet of 26 letters.
There is no 'V' in Gaelic i.e. 'V' would be 'Bh'
Bhaltos (Gaelic) & Valtos (English) would be the same place.
This may help others?
Annie
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East side refers to the parish of Stenscholl , later amalgamated with Kilmuir in Trotternish.
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The Nicolson refers in every likelihood to the maiden name of the person's mother. Two other possibilities are the Minister who was the parish priest of the church where the child resided or a doctor. I'd only punt the first two though.
There is a lot of marriages between the Nicolsons and the Martins. I've read the Martins had some sort of affiliation with clan Nicolson. Didn't store it though.
There are Nicolsons of Scorrybreac (the clan leader) and others of Lonfearn. Probably numrerous other places in Trottenish.
Margaret Martin who died 9 February 1867 at Valtos Stenscholl named 2 of her first 4 children according to the Scottish naming tradition. That leaves Alexander's parents as either Murdoch or Martin MARTIN. There were numeros Martin Martins!
If you accept the Martin Martin who was married to Alexina McLeod and who emigrated to Prince Edward Island in July 1858 on the James Gibb ship - is one of Alexander and Margaret's children, then Alexander's father may have been Martin MARTIN.
As deaths were common (say 1/3 of children born) using the known living childrens names as a guide to parents' parents' names is not 100%. But if a child died it was fairly common to rename the next child after the deceased child.
Relying on the accuracy of ages in death certificates for birth dates is also fraught and likely to result in errors.
There are 2 common naming patterns for children used in Scotland in C19. Son 1 Father's father's name Second son mother's father's name. First daughter father's mother's name. Second daughter mother's mother's name. The order could be reversed and the mother's parents were given precedence. However, whichever was used then followed either pattern.
There are also naming patterns for subsequent children ...
If a child dies before (say census) records are kept or moves away it can be difficult to use the pattern.
This explains the inconsistency in apparent ages of some children between census.
Someone may be able to use this information to find Alexander's parents names.
If not, theres a lot of Martin genes floating around in Martins.
I have joined the Martin Y dna project recently and am awaiting my Y dna results to determine my ggg grandfathers parents. I did Y111, but in retrospect would have done Y37 for starters.
Anyone game to find out the Martin Y dna line (doesn't say anything about Margaret Martins lineage). To get any meaningful Y dna you must have an unbroken Martin MALE line. Doesn't work with females, or unbroken male lines.
If so, make sure the person tested is the most ancient connection in terms of generations, not the most recent generation as you need a certain number of centimorgans - DNA measurement of length - to accurately trace ancestors.
Steve Martin
Ainslie, Canberra
ex. Navarre, Victoria
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Donald Martin was living with/working for his uncle (his mother's brother) - John Martin - in 1841 and then with his mother in 1851 in Valtos from recollection.
See 1851 Stenscholl Quod Sacra parish 111/A 4/14 p14 of 21: Peggy Martin 65 Donald 26. Her age is considerably lower in the 1841 census (vanity?)
John Martin also lived in Maligar.
Margaret moved from Maligar to Valtos between 1842-1843. See MacDonald rental records (croft 5 in both places) available MacDonald Library, Armadale, Skye.
For any Martins interested to know their origins there are 4 Martins from Skye and the Hebridian islands in the Martin Y DNA project now. One hails from Skye via Prince Edward Island, one was in North Carolina and returned to Skye after the American War of Independence ( Captain John Martin 1726-1791 from Moore County); my ggg grandfather from Stenscholl; and others in group 68).
There are 4 different Martin families who are unrelated.
I have been told there is a 1510 Letter of Protection under (Scottish) Privy Council seal addressed personally to John Mac Gille Mhartainn of Stenscholl and 64 other tenants. This would pre-date Aonghas of the Winds/Storms who was around at earliest in 1565.
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In relation to an earlier post I have traced the Angus Martin married to Margaret to Bruk Bruk in Victoria. Her name was MacLeod (not Martin). This family was residing in Glasgow during the 1841 and 1851 censuses. The 1851 census records they were both born in Skye. They were in Kilmuir in 1854.