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Title: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: Tree Maker on Tuesday 08 November 11 16:52 GMT (UK)
George Bambury was born c 1851 to Ellen Bambury c1833 in Ireland.
The earliest census record is 1861 when Ellen and son George lived in Burslem, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire.
In 1873 George married Ellen Dawson and went on to have several children.  Recorded on their Marriage Certificate is,  Father George Bambury, occupation Dyer.
The 1881 census entry has his birth place as Ireland, Castle Bay Barracks.
My geographical knowledge of Ireland is zero and my searches for Castle Bay Barracks has also resulted in a bit fat zero, so I could do with a little help, please!! :-*
I think the ennumerator mishead so Castle Bay could be a number of possibilites, one of which is Castlereagh and I think that Castlereagh is in Belfast and they did have a barracks, but I could be wishing this to be true.
I thought I had hit the jackpot when I discovered a record on findmypast on the GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)and ordered the birth certificate for a George BANBURY who was born to a 41st Regimental Foot soldier George and his wife Bridget, 'place and date of Child's Baptism': Kilkeeven Roscommon, 29 January 1851.  Is this my George???? ???  So many coincidences.
May be George the father was made up to save face but why born at a barracks.
I think he died in 1897 in Stoke on Trent.  George was my husband's great grandfather.Any suggestions always welcome.  Andrea
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 08 November 11 16:57 GMT (UK)
There's a town named Castlerea / Castlereagh in Co. Roscommon. It's located in the civil parish of Kilkeevin.

see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)



Shane
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 08 November 11 18:35 GMT (UK)
There were houses for the men and their wives within the area of the barracks. My mother's cousin was born at a barracks.
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Tuesday 08 November 11 20:46 GMT (UK)
useing http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index you will find about 10 Bambury homesteads around 1850 were all living in Co Kerry in two townlands.
keep going Jim
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: Tree Maker on Wednesday 09 November 11 16:40 GMT (UK)
Thank you to all who have posted your finding to help with my search.
The information relating to Griffith's Valuation Record for the surname Bambury is great news because I was beginning to think that 'Bambury' wasnt an Irish name.  I am now able to narrow down my searches for a barracks at the time of Georges' birth c 1850.

Thank you
Andrea
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: shanew147 on Wednesday 09 November 11 16:43 GMT (UK)
One point about Griffith's - most soldiers and army personnel would not be included since they usually lived on Army property.



Shane
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Thursday 10 November 11 07:48 GMT (UK)
I went back to your interpretation of Castle Bay and wondered. Google has a photograph named as 'castle bay' near Rossberry West Cork, useing google maps this develops into castle freke?and i wondered about all the possible castle bay views. Before you continue down the Castle Bay route, have you access to the Army lists if they existed for the period. from memory they dont index such places, the reference would appear under the army unit. Or try Cork history if you stay at a brickwall. My other instinct is to support the name being Bambury or Banbury depending upon who is saying it and who is writing it. keep going, lots of luck Jim
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Thursday 10 November 11 07:58 GMT (UK)
I found on google one historian of the 41st regimental foot says 41st Regiment of Foot before going to Canada originated in Londonderry, Ireland where the Regiment was posted from June 1818 until August 1820 when it was sent to Scotland.  So the irish connection for the 41st exists earlier than your interest. But that info doesnt help move you on.
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Thursday 10 November 11 08:09 GMT (UK)
finally as running out of time, have you seen the Bambery family in Co Kerry see http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.bambury/44/mb.ashx
Jim
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: Tree Maker on Thursday 10 November 11 16:55 GMT (UK)
finally as running out of time, have you seen the Bambery family in Co Kerry see http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.bambury/44/mb.ashx
Jim
Thanks for this, I will fire off an email. :-*
I'm beginning to dislike George Bambury!! >:(
I have gone back to my old notes and came across a find which fits in with County Cork.  There was/is a barracks at Clonakilty housing the Garda.
Also, Castle Bay, County Cork is the setting for a Maeve Binche novel.
The Bambury family could have come from County Kerry and George snr was stationed in Cork, hence his son's birth at the barracks.
So maybe I have my answer :-\     Andrea
Andrea
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: lada on Thursday 10 November 11 18:48 GMT (UK)
Have you tried Castlebay in Mayo?
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: bamste047 on Thursday 05 October 17 09:56 BST (UK)
Hello Andrea.

My name is Stephen Bambury and George Bambury was also my Great Grandfather. Like you I have come to a dead end with his mother .
My father was the son of John Bambury married in 1896.
Do you have a copy of the census in 1861 when she and George were a lodger in Newcastle street Burlem?
Also do you have a copy of Georges wedding certificate in 1873 (although I have seen some records showing 1867).
I have lost my copies due to a computer hard disc issue.
Finally did you get any luck after 2011?
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 05 October 17 11:13 BST (UK)
http://www.bamburysguesthouse.com/
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Thursday 05 October 17 20:50 BST (UK)
Castle Bay barracks left me unsure.  Castle Bar army barracks kept suggesting Co Mayo also many irish constabulary barracks were know as the barracks.  At some point I entered Castle Bay barracks nr  Ballylongford Aghavallen Kerry into Google images and got pages of images but not a real connection, the results selected more by castle than any other word I continued going for civil location records, ie by civil parish or even a church tax with records by civil parish  there are only two Bambury entries in the twenty six counties, http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=bambury&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Bambury   John   Ballyline   Aghavallen   Kerry   1824
Bambury   Thos   Ballyline   Aghavallen   Kerry   1824  Only two and these two made me look again and again as a starting point
Caution is needed with the Tithes as they are renowned for being selective and incomplete  Don’t move on until you look up the entry which is at least one line and just sometimes a map. Thos Bambury turns out to be the entry immediately underneath John Bambury who has 12 arable and 18 acres of mountain side and bog.   Thos entry is difficult to read, it starts as  Thos Bambery and Partners its 45 acres of class 3 pasture? and 24 acres of mountainside and bog   That’s quite a patch.. Its also the first time I have encountered this phrase Partners in the Tithes books.

 [There is a famous graveyard in Aghavallen however  apparently there are no Bambury graves as listed by Find A Grave database]

after the tithes the next record that is another census substitute is Griffiths Valuation useing the civil parish in 1851  I have mentioned this before
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php the quick index and so useful
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ has much more detail including maps showing with lick the boundaries of the homestead.  Then you go onto their map see the place, slide anob changing form 1851 map to modern. The noting verything possible like road names  open google maps go to sateliite and then street view and you can see today what the place looks like. Great fun and useful
Bambury   John      Ballyline East      Aghavallen   Kerry map ref 2
Bambury   Margaret   Well Rd. Ballymacasey   Aghavallen   Kerry map ref 13 9
Bambury   John        Coolnagraigue     Aghavallen  Kerry map ref 5
Bambury   Edmond   Lislaughtin      Aghavallen   Kerry map ref 9
Bambury   Daniel      Tullahennel South   Aghavallen   Kerry map ref 5

Finally you can move to the census the parish now becomes part of administration district names
Census see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Note: The Civil Parish of Aghavallen ceased to be used for census purposes in the mid nineteenth century when District Electoral Divisions (DEDs) were introduced.
Aghavallen comprises the entire DEDs of:
Astee (Astee East and West, Ballynoneen, Carrigane, Cloonaman, Curraghderrig, Glanawillin, Kilcolman, Killeton, Kylatallin, Larha, Letter, Sliss townlands)
Carrig (Aghanagran Lower; Middle and Upper, Carrig Island, Carrigafoyle, Gortard, Martara, Rusheen, Rusheen Park townlands. This DED also includes most of Ballylongford town.
Lislaughtin (Ballyline East and West, Ballymacasy, Bunnaruddee, Coolnagraigue, Dromalivaun, Gurteenacloona, Leanamore, Lislaughtin, Shrone townlands. The DED also includes the Will Road and Main Street areas of Ballylongford Town.
and part of
Lisselton DED (Tullahennel North and South townlands),

there are 56 Bambury listed in the 1901 census living in Co Kerry
these reduce to 41 when districts that contained part of Aghavallen
they reduce to 4 when comparing to Ballyline as listed in the Tithes.
the census 1901 gives them as one household
2 in Ballyline East (Leislaughtin, Kerry)

Bambury   John   b ~1831 70   Male   Head of Family   Roman Catholic   Co Kerry   Farmer   Read and write   Irish and English   Married   -
Bambury   Margaret   70   Female   Wife   Roman Catholic   Co Kerry   -   Read and write   Irish and English   Married   -
 children
Bambury   Mary   22   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic   Co Kerry   Farmers Daughter   Read and write   English   Not Married   -
Bambury   George   21   Male   Son   Roman Catholic   Co Kerry   Farmers Son   Read and write   English   Not Married   -
surprisingly I can find no trace of them in 1911. did George emigrate etc  I stop here .

Andrea I notice you have George Bambury on Genes Reunited, and I noticed another tree holder Anne has an unknown Bambury in Ireland Kerry b 1700.  Over to others who can help and the church records if in existence. 
Good luck
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: gortonboy on Thursday 05 October 17 23:29 BST (UK)
in 1851  a George Banbury of the 41st foot was stationed in Castlebar,


First name(s)   George
Last name   Banbury
Name as transcribed   George
Year   1851
Service number   2144
Rank   Private
Regiment or unit   Depot. 41st (The Welch) Regiment Of Foot
Period   01/01/1851-31/03/1851
Location   Castlebar, Ireland
The National Archives reference   WO 12/5447
Record set   British Army, Worldwide Index 1851
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Friday 06 October 17 10:50 BST (UK)
1861 That Burlem reference is Burslem
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census via Genes Reunited the result I have taken out lines with nothing filled in so heres an extract
Household Information
Street   Nile Street
County   Staffordshire
Parish   Burslem
City   
Town   Burslem
Ecclesiastical District   St Johns
Parliamentary Borough   Stoke on Trent
Enumeration District   17
Registration District   Wolstanton

First Name   Ellen
Last Name   Bambury
Birth Year   1833
Age   28
Birth Place   Ireland
Relationship To Head of Household   Boarder
Gender   Female
Condition   Married

First Name   George
Last Name   Bambury
Birth Year   1851
Age   10
Birth Place   Ireland
Relationship To Head of Household   Son{error? not boarder, I think he is a boarder}
Gender   Male
Occupation   Collier {ie works in a Colliery mine}

So is the right George or George Jr
head of house is
Elijah
Last Name   Lees
Birth Year   1830
Age   31
Birth Town   Tunstall
his wife is not listed  she could be  a sister of Ellen
son aged 8 whose occupation is a Potter
so where is George senior?   in ireland?   he must an army record
keep going
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Friday 06 October 17 11:19 BST (UK)
by chance I found references in website Findmypast
a marriage in
First Name   George
Last Name   Bambury
Birth Year   1905
Country   England
County   Staffordshire
Event Quarter   2
District   Wolstanton
and a death
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name   George
Last Name   Bambury
Year   1897
Birth Year   1852
District   Wolstanton
more details join or buy credits etc see Findmypast
good luck
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Friday 06 October 17 15:17 BST (UK)
army records

 I can find no trace of 41st (The Welsh) Regiment of Foot 1831-1881 being stationed in Ireland online quickly, the slow way would be going through the army list year books which really cover officers so  I suggest you contact Welch Regiment Museum in Cardiff Castle
no luck at https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/

there are only 3 George Bambury results  in familysearch.org  Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records one is 1885 wales, another a George bamber , the remaining one is
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CD-KMR
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records
Name   George William Bambury
birth details normally a year and where enlisted.  its blank
Event Type   Pension
Event Year Range   1760-1913
Event Place   Caernarvonshire
United Kingdom
 
I also tried Bambery just in case without a result.

good luck
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: Tree Maker on Wednesday 11 October 17 20:16 BST (UK)
Hello Andrea.

My name is Stephen Bambury and George Bambury was also my Great Grandfather. Like you I have come to a dead end with his mother .
My father was the son of John Bambury married in 1896.
Do you have a copy of the census in 1861 when she and George were a lodger in Newcastle street Burlem?
Also do you have a copy of Georges wedding certificate in 1873 (although I have seen some records showing 1867).
I have lost my copies due to a computer hard disc issue.
Finally did you get any luck after 2011?

Hi Stephen would you pm me as I am not familiar with this website - I haven't used it for sometime.
I would need to check my paper records for the wedding certificate.  Maybe you could private message your email?

Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: Tree Maker on Thursday 12 October 17 12:16 BST (UK)
Castle Bay barracks left me unsure.  Castle Bar army barracks kept suggesting Co Mayo also many irish constabulary barracks were know as the barracks.  At some point I entered Castle Bay barracks nr  Ballylongford Aghavallen Kerry into Google images and got pages of images but not a real connection, the results selected more by castle than any other word I continued going for civil location records, ie by civil parish or even a church tax with records by civil parish  there are only two Bambury entries in the twenty six counties, http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=bambury&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Bambury   John   Ballyline   Aghavallen   Kerry   1824

Bambury   Thos   Ballyline   Aghavallen   Kerry   1824  Only two and these two made me look again and again as a starting point
Caution is needed with the Tithes as they are renowned for being selective and incomplete  Don’t move on until you look up the entry which is at least one line and just sometimes a map. Thos Bambury turns out to be the entry immediately underneath John Bambury who has 12 arable and 18 acres of mountain side and bog.   Thos entry is difficult to read, it starts as  Thos Bambery and Partners its 45 acres of class 3 pasture? and 24 acres of mountainside and bog   That’s quite a patch.. Its also the first time I have encountered this phrase Partners in the Tithes books.

 [There is a famous graveyard in Aghavallen however  apparently there are no Bambury graves as listed by Find A Grave database]

after the tithes the next record that is another census substitute is Griffiths Valuation useing the civil parish in 1851  I have mentioned this before
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php the quick index and so useful
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ has much more detail including maps showing with lick the boundaries of the homestead.  Then you go onto their map see the place, slide anob changing form 1851 map to modern. The noting verything possible like road names  open google maps go to sateliite and then street view and you can see today what the place looks like. Great fun and useful
Bambury   John      Ballyline East      Aghavallen   Kerry map ref 2
Bambury   Margaret   Well Rd. Ballymacasey   Aghavallen   Kerry map ref 13 9
Bambury   John        Coolnagraigue     Aghavallen  Kerry map ref 5
Bambury   Edmond   Lislaughtin      Aghavallen   Kerry map ref 9
Bambury   Daniel      Tullahennel South   Aghavallen   Kerry map ref 5

Finally you can move to the census the parish now becomes part of administration district names
Census see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Note: The Civil Parish of Aghavallen ceased to be used for census purposes in the mid nineteenth century when District Electoral Divisions (DEDs) were introduced.
Aghavallen comprises the entire DEDs of:
Astee (Astee East and West, Ballynoneen, Carrigane, Cloonaman, Curraghderrig, Glanawillin, Kilcolman, Killeton, Kylatallin, Larha, Letter, Sliss townlands)
Carrig (Aghanagran Lower; Middle and Upper, Carrig Island, Carrigafoyle, Gortard, Martara, Rusheen, Rusheen Park townlands. This DED also includes most of Ballylongford town.
Lislaughtin (Ballyline East and West, Ballymacasy, Bunnaruddee, Coolnagraigue, Dromalivaun, Gurteenacloona, Leanamore, Lislaughtin, Shrone townlands. The DED also includes the Will Road and Main Street areas of Ballylongford Town.
and part of
Lisselton DED (Tullahennel North and South townlands),

there are 56 Bambury listed in the 1901 census living in Co Kerry
these reduce to 41 when districts that contained part of Aghavallen
they reduce to 4 when comparing to Ballyline as listed in the Tithes.
the census 1901 gives them as one household
2 in Ballyline East (Leislaughtin, Kerry)

Bambury   John   b ~1831 70   Male   Head of Family   Roman Catholic   Co Kerry   Farmer   Read and write   Irish and English   Married   -
Bambury   Margaret   70   Female   Wife   Roman Catholic   Co Kerry   -   Read and write   Irish and English   Married   -
 children
Bambury   Mary   22   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic   Co Kerry   Farmers Daughter   Read and write   English   Not Married   -
Bambury   George   21   Male   Son   Roman Catholic   Co Kerry   Farmers Son   Read and write   English   Not Married   -
surprisingly I can find no trace of them in 1911. did George emigrate etc  I stop here .

Andrea I notice you have George Bambury on Genes Reunited, and I noticed another tree holder Anne has an unknown Bambury in Ireland Kerry b 1700.  Over to others who can help and the church records if in existence. 
Good luck

Thank you for your time and suggestions I will look into all of your suggestions.
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: Tree Maker on Thursday 12 October 17 12:26 BST (UK)
An enormous thank you for this information it looks very promising.  I need to look into The Welch Regiment of Foot - would you be able to suggest where I might start?  I know nothing of army records. I see from the information it lists his Service number  and a source: The National Archives - was this information found on line? Andrea
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: Tree Maker on Thursday 12 October 17 12:43 BST (UK)
in 1851  a George Banbury of the 41st foot was stationed in Castlebar,


First name(s)   George
Last name   Banbury
Name as transcribed   George
Year   1851
Service number   2144
Rank   Private
Regiment or unit   Depot. 41st (The Welch) Regiment Of Foot
Period   01/01/1851-31/03/1851
Location   Castlebar, Ireland
The National Archives reference   WO 12/5447
Record set   British Army, Worldwide Index 1851

I've sent a message but unsure how to use this site hope you can pick up?
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: dkbythesea on Wednesday 03 January 18 21:56 GMT (UK)
Hello Stephen, just wanted to say hi as I'm also related to you. My grandfather was Owen Bambury, (born in Cobridge 1910, died Brighton 1997) son of George Ephraim Bambury. I'm trying to trace our Irish heritage too. So interesting. Debbie x

Hello Andrea.

My name is Stephen Bambury and George Bambury was also my Great Grandfather. Like you I have come to a dead end with his mother .
My father was the son of John Bambury married in 1896.
Do you have a copy of the census in 1861 when she and George were a lodger in Newcastle street Burlem?
Also do you have a copy of Georges wedding certificate in 1873 (although I have seen some records showing 1867).
I have lost my copies due to a computer hard disc issue.
Finally did you get any luck after 2011?
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: gortonboy on Thursday 04 January 18 21:55 GMT (UK)

First name(s)   George
Last name   Banbury
Birth year   1828
Birth parish   St Michaels
Birth town   Coventry
Birth county   Warwickshire
Birth country   England
Service number   2144
Rank   PTE
Regiment   41st Regt Of Foot
Year   1845
Attestation date   23 Jun 1845
Attestation age years   17
Attestation age months   6
Discharge corps   41st Regt Of Foot
Discharge service number   2144
Document type   Discharge
Series   Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Title: Re: Help with Irish ancestor George Bambury
Post by: gortonboy on Thursday 04 January 18 22:04 GMT (UK)
According to this service record...This George was a weaver/ribbon maker by trade. Discharged in 1855.

This COULD be him.

1861 census
9 Court, 9, Grey Friers Lane, St Michaels, Coventry, Warwickshire, England
   
George   Bambury   Head   Married   Male   33   1828   Weaver   Coventry, Warwickshire, England   
Sarah   Bambury   Wife   Married   Female   27   1834   Winder   Coventry, Warwickshire, England   
Emma   Bambury   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   4   1857   -   Coventry, Warwickshire, England   
Sarah   Bambury   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   2   1859   -   Coventry, Warwickshire, England