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George Bambury was born c 1851 to Ellen Bambury c1833 in Ireland.
The earliest census record is 1861 when Ellen and son George lived in Burslem, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire.
In 1873 George married Ellen Dawson and went on to have several children. Recorded on their Marriage Certificate is, Father George Bambury, occupation Dyer.
The 1881 census entry has his birth place as Ireland, Castle Bay Barracks.
My geographical knowledge of Ireland is zero and my searches for Castle Bay Barracks has also resulted in a bit fat zero, so I could do with a little help, please!! :-*
I think the ennumerator mishead so Castle Bay could be a number of possibilites, one of which is Castlereagh and I think that Castlereagh is in Belfast and they did have a barracks, but I could be wishing this to be true.
I thought I had hit the jackpot when I discovered a record on findmypast on the GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)and ordered the birth certificate for a George BANBURY who was born to a 41st Regimental Foot soldier George and his wife Bridget, 'place and date of Child's Baptism': Kilkeeven Roscommon, 29 January 1851. Is this my George???? ??? So many coincidences.
May be George the father was made up to save face but why born at a barracks.
I think he died in 1897 in Stoke on Trent. George was my husband's great grandfather.Any suggestions always welcome. Andrea
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There's a town named Castlerea / Castlereagh in Co. Roscommon. It's located in the civil parish of Kilkeevin.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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There were houses for the men and their wives within the area of the barracks. My mother's cousin was born at a barracks.
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useing http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index you will find about 10 Bambury homesteads around 1850 were all living in Co Kerry in two townlands.
keep going Jim
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Thank you to all who have posted your finding to help with my search.
The information relating to Griffith's Valuation Record for the surname Bambury is great news because I was beginning to think that 'Bambury' wasnt an Irish name. I am now able to narrow down my searches for a barracks at the time of Georges' birth c 1850.
Thank you
Andrea
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One point about Griffith's - most soldiers and army personnel would not be included since they usually lived on Army property.
Shane
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I went back to your interpretation of Castle Bay and wondered. Google has a photograph named as 'castle bay' near Rossberry West Cork, useing google maps this develops into castle freke?and i wondered about all the possible castle bay views. Before you continue down the Castle Bay route, have you access to the Army lists if they existed for the period. from memory they dont index such places, the reference would appear under the army unit. Or try Cork history if you stay at a brickwall. My other instinct is to support the name being Bambury or Banbury depending upon who is saying it and who is writing it. keep going, lots of luck Jim
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I found on google one historian of the 41st regimental foot says 41st Regiment of Foot before going to Canada originated in Londonderry, Ireland where the Regiment was posted from June 1818 until August 1820 when it was sent to Scotland. So the irish connection for the 41st exists earlier than your interest. But that info doesnt help move you on.
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finally as running out of time, have you seen the Bambery family in Co Kerry see http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.bambury/44/mb.ashx
Jim
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finally as running out of time, have you seen the Bambery family in Co Kerry see http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.bambury/44/mb.ashx
Jim
Thanks for this, I will fire off an email. :-*
I'm beginning to dislike George Bambury!! >:(
I have gone back to my old notes and came across a find which fits in with County Cork. There was/is a barracks at Clonakilty housing the Garda.
Also, Castle Bay, County Cork is the setting for a Maeve Binche novel.
The Bambury family could have come from County Kerry and George snr was stationed in Cork, hence his son's birth at the barracks.
So maybe I have my answer :-\ Andrea
Andrea
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Have you tried Castlebay in Mayo?
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Hello Andrea.
My name is Stephen Bambury and George Bambury was also my Great Grandfather. Like you I have come to a dead end with his mother .
My father was the son of John Bambury married in 1896.
Do you have a copy of the census in 1861 when she and George were a lodger in Newcastle street Burlem?
Also do you have a copy of Georges wedding certificate in 1873 (although I have seen some records showing 1867).
I have lost my copies due to a computer hard disc issue.
Finally did you get any luck after 2011?
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http://www.bamburysguesthouse.com/
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Castle Bay barracks left me unsure. Castle Bar army barracks kept suggesting Co Mayo also many irish constabulary barracks were know as the barracks. At some point I entered Castle Bay barracks nr Ballylongford Aghavallen Kerry into Google images and got pages of images but not a real connection, the results selected more by castle than any other word I continued going for civil location records, ie by civil parish or even a church tax with records by civil parish there are only two Bambury entries in the twenty six counties, http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=bambury&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Bambury John Ballyline Aghavallen Kerry 1824
Bambury Thos Ballyline Aghavallen Kerry 1824 Only two and these two made me look again and again as a starting point
Caution is needed with the Tithes as they are renowned for being selective and incomplete Don’t move on until you look up the entry which is at least one line and just sometimes a map. Thos Bambury turns out to be the entry immediately underneath John Bambury who has 12 arable and 18 acres of mountain side and bog. Thos entry is difficult to read, it starts as Thos Bambery and Partners its 45 acres of class 3 pasture? and 24 acres of mountainside and bog That’s quite a patch.. Its also the first time I have encountered this phrase Partners in the Tithes books.
[There is a famous graveyard in Aghavallen however apparently there are no Bambury graves as listed by Find A Grave database]
after the tithes the next record that is another census substitute is Griffiths Valuation useing the civil parish in 1851 I have mentioned this before
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php the quick index and so useful
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ has much more detail including maps showing with lick the boundaries of the homestead. Then you go onto their map see the place, slide anob changing form 1851 map to modern. The noting verything possible like road names open google maps go to sateliite and then street view and you can see today what the place looks like. Great fun and useful
Bambury John Ballyline East Aghavallen Kerry map ref 2
Bambury Margaret Well Rd. Ballymacasey Aghavallen Kerry map ref 13 9
Bambury John Coolnagraigue Aghavallen Kerry map ref 5
Bambury Edmond Lislaughtin Aghavallen Kerry map ref 9
Bambury Daniel Tullahennel South Aghavallen Kerry map ref 5
Finally you can move to the census the parish now becomes part of administration district names
Census see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Note: The Civil Parish of Aghavallen ceased to be used for census purposes in the mid nineteenth century when District Electoral Divisions (DEDs) were introduced.
Aghavallen comprises the entire DEDs of:
Astee (Astee East and West, Ballynoneen, Carrigane, Cloonaman, Curraghderrig, Glanawillin, Kilcolman, Killeton, Kylatallin, Larha, Letter, Sliss townlands)
Carrig (Aghanagran Lower; Middle and Upper, Carrig Island, Carrigafoyle, Gortard, Martara, Rusheen, Rusheen Park townlands. This DED also includes most of Ballylongford town.
Lislaughtin (Ballyline East and West, Ballymacasy, Bunnaruddee, Coolnagraigue, Dromalivaun, Gurteenacloona, Leanamore, Lislaughtin, Shrone townlands. The DED also includes the Will Road and Main Street areas of Ballylongford Town.
and part of
Lisselton DED (Tullahennel North and South townlands),
there are 56 Bambury listed in the 1901 census living in Co Kerry
these reduce to 41 when districts that contained part of Aghavallen
they reduce to 4 when comparing to Ballyline as listed in the Tithes.
the census 1901 gives them as one household
2 in Ballyline East (Leislaughtin, Kerry)
Bambury John b ~1831 70 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Kerry Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married -
Bambury Margaret 70 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Read and write Irish and English Married -
children
Bambury Mary 22 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Kerry Farmers Daughter Read and write English Not Married -
Bambury George 21 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Kerry Farmers Son Read and write English Not Married -
surprisingly I can find no trace of them in 1911. did George emigrate etc I stop here .
Andrea I notice you have George Bambury on Genes Reunited, and I noticed another tree holder Anne has an unknown Bambury in Ireland Kerry b 1700. Over to others who can help and the church records if in existence.
Good luck
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in 1851 a George Banbury of the 41st foot was stationed in Castlebar,
First name(s) George
Last name Banbury
Name as transcribed George
Year 1851
Service number 2144
Rank Private
Regiment or unit Depot. 41st (The Welch) Regiment Of Foot
Period 01/01/1851-31/03/1851
Location Castlebar, Ireland
The National Archives reference WO 12/5447
Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1851
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1861 That Burlem reference is Burslem
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census via Genes Reunited the result I have taken out lines with nothing filled in so heres an extract
Household Information
Street Nile Street
County Staffordshire
Parish Burslem
City
Town Burslem
Ecclesiastical District St Johns
Parliamentary Borough Stoke on Trent
Enumeration District 17
Registration District Wolstanton
First Name Ellen
Last Name Bambury
Birth Year 1833
Age 28
Birth Place Ireland
Relationship To Head of Household Boarder
Gender Female
Condition Married
First Name George
Last Name Bambury
Birth Year 1851
Age 10
Birth Place Ireland
Relationship To Head of Household Son{error? not boarder, I think he is a boarder}
Gender Male
Occupation Collier {ie works in a Colliery mine}
So is the right George or George Jr
head of house is
Elijah
Last Name Lees
Birth Year 1830
Age 31
Birth Town Tunstall
his wife is not listed she could be a sister of Ellen
son aged 8 whose occupation is a Potter
so where is George senior? in ireland? he must an army record
keep going
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by chance I found references in website Findmypast
a marriage in
First Name George
Last Name Bambury
Birth Year 1905
Country England
County Staffordshire
Event Quarter 2
District Wolstanton
and a death
England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
First Name George
Last Name Bambury
Year 1897
Birth Year 1852
District Wolstanton
more details join or buy credits etc see Findmypast
good luck
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army records
I can find no trace of 41st (The Welsh) Regiment of Foot 1831-1881 being stationed in Ireland online quickly, the slow way would be going through the army list year books which really cover officers so I suggest you contact Welch Regiment Museum in Cardiff Castle
no luck at https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/
there are only 3 George Bambury results in familysearch.org Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records one is 1885 wales, another a George bamber , the remaining one is
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CD-KMR
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records
Name George William Bambury
birth details normally a year and where enlisted. its blank
Event Type Pension
Event Year Range 1760-1913
Event Place Caernarvonshire
United Kingdom
I also tried Bambery just in case without a result.
good luck
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Hello Andrea.
My name is Stephen Bambury and George Bambury was also my Great Grandfather. Like you I have come to a dead end with his mother .
My father was the son of John Bambury married in 1896.
Do you have a copy of the census in 1861 when she and George were a lodger in Newcastle street Burlem?
Also do you have a copy of Georges wedding certificate in 1873 (although I have seen some records showing 1867).
I have lost my copies due to a computer hard disc issue.
Finally did you get any luck after 2011?
Hi Stephen would you pm me as I am not familiar with this website - I haven't used it for sometime.
I would need to check my paper records for the wedding certificate. Maybe you could private message your email?
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Castle Bay barracks left me unsure. Castle Bar army barracks kept suggesting Co Mayo also many irish constabulary barracks were know as the barracks. At some point I entered Castle Bay barracks nr Ballylongford Aghavallen Kerry into Google images and got pages of images but not a real connection, the results selected more by castle than any other word I continued going for civil location records, ie by civil parish or even a church tax with records by civil parish there are only two Bambury entries in the twenty six counties, http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=bambury&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search
Bambury John Ballyline Aghavallen Kerry 1824
Bambury Thos Ballyline Aghavallen Kerry 1824 Only two and these two made me look again and again as a starting point
Caution is needed with the Tithes as they are renowned for being selective and incomplete Don’t move on until you look up the entry which is at least one line and just sometimes a map. Thos Bambury turns out to be the entry immediately underneath John Bambury who has 12 arable and 18 acres of mountain side and bog. Thos entry is difficult to read, it starts as Thos Bambery and Partners its 45 acres of class 3 pasture? and 24 acres of mountainside and bog That’s quite a patch.. Its also the first time I have encountered this phrase Partners in the Tithes books.
[There is a famous graveyard in Aghavallen however apparently there are no Bambury graves as listed by Find A Grave database]
after the tithes the next record that is another census substitute is Griffiths Valuation useing the civil parish in 1851 I have mentioned this before
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php the quick index and so useful
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ has much more detail including maps showing with lick the boundaries of the homestead. Then you go onto their map see the place, slide anob changing form 1851 map to modern. The noting verything possible like road names open google maps go to sateliite and then street view and you can see today what the place looks like. Great fun and useful
Bambury John Ballyline East Aghavallen Kerry map ref 2
Bambury Margaret Well Rd. Ballymacasey Aghavallen Kerry map ref 13 9
Bambury John Coolnagraigue Aghavallen Kerry map ref 5
Bambury Edmond Lislaughtin Aghavallen Kerry map ref 9
Bambury Daniel Tullahennel South Aghavallen Kerry map ref 5
Finally you can move to the census the parish now becomes part of administration district names
Census see http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie
Note: The Civil Parish of Aghavallen ceased to be used for census purposes in the mid nineteenth century when District Electoral Divisions (DEDs) were introduced.
Aghavallen comprises the entire DEDs of:
Astee (Astee East and West, Ballynoneen, Carrigane, Cloonaman, Curraghderrig, Glanawillin, Kilcolman, Killeton, Kylatallin, Larha, Letter, Sliss townlands)
Carrig (Aghanagran Lower; Middle and Upper, Carrig Island, Carrigafoyle, Gortard, Martara, Rusheen, Rusheen Park townlands. This DED also includes most of Ballylongford town.
Lislaughtin (Ballyline East and West, Ballymacasy, Bunnaruddee, Coolnagraigue, Dromalivaun, Gurteenacloona, Leanamore, Lislaughtin, Shrone townlands. The DED also includes the Will Road and Main Street areas of Ballylongford Town.
and part of
Lisselton DED (Tullahennel North and South townlands),
there are 56 Bambury listed in the 1901 census living in Co Kerry
these reduce to 41 when districts that contained part of Aghavallen
they reduce to 4 when comparing to Ballyline as listed in the Tithes.
the census 1901 gives them as one household
2 in Ballyline East (Leislaughtin, Kerry)
Bambury John b ~1831 70 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Kerry Farmer Read and write Irish and English Married -
Bambury Margaret 70 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Read and write Irish and English Married -
children
Bambury Mary 22 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Kerry Farmers Daughter Read and write English Not Married -
Bambury George 21 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Kerry Farmers Son Read and write English Not Married -
surprisingly I can find no trace of them in 1911. did George emigrate etc I stop here .
Andrea I notice you have George Bambury on Genes Reunited, and I noticed another tree holder Anne has an unknown Bambury in Ireland Kerry b 1700. Over to others who can help and the church records if in existence.
Good luck
Thank you for your time and suggestions I will look into all of your suggestions.
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An enormous thank you for this information it looks very promising. I need to look into The Welch Regiment of Foot - would you be able to suggest where I might start? I know nothing of army records. I see from the information it lists his Service number and a source: The National Archives - was this information found on line? Andrea
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in 1851 a George Banbury of the 41st foot was stationed in Castlebar,
First name(s) George
Last name Banbury
Name as transcribed George
Year 1851
Service number 2144
Rank Private
Regiment or unit Depot. 41st (The Welch) Regiment Of Foot
Period 01/01/1851-31/03/1851
Location Castlebar, Ireland
The National Archives reference WO 12/5447
Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1851
I've sent a message but unsure how to use this site hope you can pick up?
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Hello Stephen, just wanted to say hi as I'm also related to you. My grandfather was Owen Bambury, (born in Cobridge 1910, died Brighton 1997) son of George Ephraim Bambury. I'm trying to trace our Irish heritage too. So interesting. Debbie x
Hello Andrea.
My name is Stephen Bambury and George Bambury was also my Great Grandfather. Like you I have come to a dead end with his mother .
My father was the son of John Bambury married in 1896.
Do you have a copy of the census in 1861 when she and George were a lodger in Newcastle street Burlem?
Also do you have a copy of Georges wedding certificate in 1873 (although I have seen some records showing 1867).
I have lost my copies due to a computer hard disc issue.
Finally did you get any luck after 2011?
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First name(s) George
Last name Banbury
Birth year 1828
Birth parish St Michaels
Birth town Coventry
Birth county Warwickshire
Birth country England
Service number 2144
Rank PTE
Regiment 41st Regt Of Foot
Year 1845
Attestation date 23 Jun 1845
Attestation age years 17
Attestation age months 6
Discharge corps 41st Regt Of Foot
Discharge service number 2144
Document type Discharge
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
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According to this service record...This George was a weaver/ribbon maker by trade. Discharged in 1855.
This COULD be him.
1861 census
9 Court, 9, Grey Friers Lane, St Michaels, Coventry, Warwickshire, England
George Bambury Head Married Male 33 1828 Weaver Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Sarah Bambury Wife Married Female 27 1834 Winder Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Emma Bambury Daughter Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Sarah Bambury Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1859 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England