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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) => Topic started by: Jean M on Friday 11 November 11 10:56 GMT (UK)
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Hello Searchers,
your help would be appreciated.
My research is currently
into the history of WW1 aerodrome at East Fortune
a base for RNAS later RAF.
Frederick T.J KIRKBY, air mechanic, had
been posted to Scotland from RN, Tregantle, Cornwall
May 1918 - May 1919
He may have spent some time in hospital at
that location. Significant clues where the medical
records are archived would be welcome.
many thanks
Jean M
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Hello Jean M ,
FTJ Kirkby,Air Mechanic at East Fortune was my father.I have photo in uniform but no details of his hospitalisation.Sorry.
Churchtown
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Hello Churchtown
many thanks for your message received today, 29 Nov.
re: Frederick T. J. KIRKBY,
I also have good photos and would be happy to share the records.
A further exchange would be most welcome.
Jean M
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Hello Jean,
Lothian Health Board Archives - these records start from 1922 but info is interesting. Perhaps you have looked at this already/
www.lhsa.lib.ed.ac.uk/collections/LHB39/lhb39_tlfa.htm
Mags
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Hello Mags
the link received is much appreciated. The National Archives at Kew may hold the records
from WW1. Planning to spend a day there next week.
with renewed thanks
Jean M
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Hello Jean m
I noticed the name AKERS on your page.FTJ Kirkby's mother Emma Kirkby(nee Jones) was friend of anne AKERS whose family lived in the Westmorland Road AREA between Elephant and Castle area and Camberwell Green. in 1900's.Jones family also,a large family.
I visited National Archives last Saturday,got copy of FTJ Kirkby's record at East Fortune,nothing about hospital
cheers.
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Hello Churchtown
Kindly advise! are the F T J KIRKBY records in Air79?
An easy route into the documents would help.
Can forward photo
Jean M
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family ACKERS lived in East London, therefore not
a significant link, at least so far!
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Hello Jean m
Yes Akers----Akers. Worth a try!
I am unable to be precise on the Archives.Helped by helpful staff but broadly: army/airforce WW1 only took them a minute!
Would like to see your photographs.
Regards
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pleased to forward one portrait/photo.
The Cap Badge should be clear enough, RAF, post 1 April 1918?
Do you have the document for his WW1 medals?
kindly advise if the attachment is OK.
more to follow
Regards
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Hello Jean m
Thankyou for the photo.I have the same photo exactly.Sorry no medals.One of my nephews is composing our family tree on"ancestry.co.uk" this year.This photo is on it.Family names are :-
Kirkby,Piper,Tilling. Composer is Lyndon Tilling.Originally,Say 1900 ish,Kirkby's lived around SE17;
Piper's SE17,SE14,SE 2; Tilling's SE16.
Around 30 years ago Frederick William Wallace Kirkby had his lifetime collection of photographs stolen in a house burglary,nearly all glass negatives.Recently,some of the plates were recovered from a closed down junk shop,found by my nephew.So it will be interesting where you found FTJ Kirkby's Photo.
A while back I saw your listing with the title "concert Party" whilst browsing.Includes a populated photo.I am trawling through 13 pages to find it.I have a suggestion of a likely location in SE 17.
Cheers
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thank you for your reply. I had contributed the photo of the 'Concert Party' but not sure
if your nephew had added it to the Family Tree on Ancestry.
So far the location of the church/institute remains mystery but Alice (Piper) Kirkby
is standing at the far left, back row (wearing a Summer dress, not in a fancy costume).
Delighted to be in touch, I believe we may have met many years ago?
regards
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Hello Jean m
This is my second reply as ,for some reason,I lost it all.
Here we go. Gee whiz,Alice Piper was my mother,married to FTJK.It is 1920 ish.The location of the Concert Party was,and still is,"Crossways" in The New Kent Road.SE17The Pastor was Mr.Pardue(or a very similar sounding name(from my memory of 1930)..
Areas of interest may be Deacon St,Sayer St,Lion St,St Matthews Church (ftjk's father was verger for 50 years) and the church was demolished about 10 years ago,all SE 17. The only Jean I have met was the daughter of Louise Piper (Lou).Another area of interest may be Bostal Lane ,Abbey Wood.Other names may be Newton,Ellen Lawrence(nee Piper).
Cheers
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The history of 'Crossways' in New Kent Road adds so much to the story and I
forward a copy of the photo to view. Alice, your Mother is third from left.
All the locations are well known to me.
On this server personal/private messages can be forwarded, duly protected.
Happy to include some of my 'ancient history'' as background.
regards
Jean M
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Good morning
Pleased to forward extra background from WW1 web pages which includes a collection of high quality photographs and maps.
National Archives, Kew
WW1 British Medals Roll
ADM 171/107 (Admiralty)
Copy of this document had been contributed to
TILLING (Lyndon's) on Ancestry.co.uk
Roll No 364
KIRKBY, F. T. J. RN Official Service No 43570
His number of transfer to RAF would have been 243570 (RAF record in AIR79)
at Kew but not on line so far.
The record shows recruitment at Crystal Palace Depot an initial training centre
for RNAS ratings.
RNAS Tregantle, Cornwall was an aircraft storage depot, also used
for training Aircraft Mechanics.
President 11 was administrative and pay base for RNAS ratings.
Tregantle Fort (Lord Palmerston) built as coastal defence during
hostilities with Napoleon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tregantle_Fort
East Fortune - WW1 and WW2 records
http://www.nms.ac.uk/our_museums/museum_of_flight/history_of_east_fortune.aspx
regards
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Hello Jean M
Thank you for this information. I have attached a photo of my father and scanned the back of it to show his father's very distinctive handwriting and signature if you have it on any of your photo's?
Could you clarify what you meant about personal/private messages? Did you mean it is better to write more on the 'My Messages' section above?
Regards Churchtown
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Good morning,
Many thanks for the portrait of Frederick T. J.
Such high quality of image from a glass negative is excellent.
Given there was a huge photo collection,
I wonder if Frederick W. W. had owned a plate camera|
More to follow
cheers
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Hello Jean m
Yes,FWWKirkby used a plate camera,a quarter plate and a half plate and he did all his developing and printing himself.
Cheers,
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A speculative thought!
Perhaps the large format photograph of the 'concert party' may have been
his work.
Jean M
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Hello Jean m,
Most likely but where did it come from ?
More info:- FWWK's neighbour was Mabel Miles,not related to Madge Miles(nee Kirkby) Harrow mddx daughter of my great grandfather,John Kirkby_more details on Lyndons Ancestry site.HWKirkby,brother of FWWK left a record of their relatives on his Will(which my elder brother has) mostly living in Hayes,MMdx area.IE,last known addressess around 20 years ago.
Residents of Newington,SE17 who were married in St. Matthews church 1900-1950 would know FWWK because he took the Banns.
If you are going to Kew I could meet you at 11.00 at the entrance,behind the pond,white hair and leaning on an umbrella.carrying family photo album(BIG !).
Cheers
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That would be a splendid idea.
Cheers
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Hello Jean m
Good o, Iwill now read your second text
Here we are again.I am not sure of Lyndons addresss but I do have his email,so I will ask him for your email.He knows my email address.Might take a while as he is usually slow in responding.Lyndon lives in Bexleyheath area as does my sister(King Harolds Way).Falconwood station will be fine.I nearly bought a house in Falcon Wood in 1948.I am too deaf to use a telephone.
Cheers
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The email has been sent into your InBox folder 'My Messages'
cheers
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Hello Jean,
Sorry I do no know how to do it,tried all the usual tricks
My daughter is keen on ancestry.She spotted your.text whilst on holiday in yorkshire a month ago and she came to Kew with me.Right now she is tied up work wise but should be free in a couple of weeks,usually free thursday's and friday's.She would like to come to Falconwood with me.Another family name is Jarvis.My mothers's sister(another one !!!) Lillian (nee Piper) Jarvis.Has a daughter
Irene who was living in the Bexleyheath area.And a brother named James was living in Mcleod Road,Abbeywood
Getting interesting.
Cheers
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I shall look forward to making an easy rendezvous
as best for all.
MayI suggest another try.
On the tool bar, My Messages should allow you set up a personal message
In the window in a black bar for the address, enter Jean M
add text in the panel and 'ping' to me.
No attachments possible
You should have my recent Personal message
waiting in your InBox
cheers