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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Paula Griffiths on Monday 24 March 08 22:15 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find more information, in particular parents for the following person and his descendants from Tandragee and/or Cargans and was hoping to make contact with somewho from the area who may be able to assist with Cemetery Lookups etc.
My interests:
William Bennett born circa 1793 died 1877 married Anne Rennie born circa 1810 and they children:
Johnathon Bennett born circa 1814 (died Australia)
George Bennett born cica 1818 (died Australia)
William Bennett born circa 1821 (died Australia)
Robert Bennett born circa 1827 died 26 June 1912 Tandragee married Elizabeth Anne Redpath 1847: had one child: Robert Bennett born circa 1848 married in Australia.
I believe that this particular family was Catholic.
Any information on the Bennett family in Tandragee would be most helpful, as I know a number of other people looking for Bennetts in Tandragee and thus far we cannot make a connection; (Robert Bennett married Jane Guy with children Mary born c1833 and Elizabeth born c1847)
Many thanks in advance,
Paula
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Hi Paula,
Elizabeth Macduff (nee Bennett) died in Thames, NZ, in 1911.
She was my GG grandmother.
Her older sister Margaret Brown died in Ashburton, NZ in 1898. She as also one of my GG grandmothers.
I have a bit of information about Margaret and Elizabeth and their families if you are interested?
Kind regards,
Andrew Hodgson
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Hi Paula,
Robert and Jane Bennett, who you mentioned in your original enquiry, lived in Cargans, an area of Tandragee in Northern Ireland. They had numerous children, of whom 4 or 5 moved to New Zealand, including my great great grandmothers.
The elder of the 2 sisters that went to NZ, Margaret, married a bloke by the name of Henry Bennett also from Tandragee, but from the Tullyhue area.
The younger of the 2 sisters, Elizabeth, married a man by the name of William Macduff, originally from Scotland.
Henry Bennett's father was also named Henry, and He and Robert Bennett were brothers from what I can recall.
This could possibly explain two Bennett families in Tandragee, however I do recall reading that back then, 2 out of 3 people who lived in Tandragee were Bennett's. In those days, people never moved. They stayed where they were born, got married, farmed, had children and died basically.
As far as I know, Margaret and Elizabeth were very staunch Orange women, so I can only guess that their parents, Robert and Jane, were as well.
Did you know that one of the Bennets from Tandragee was either a mayor or a councillor with the Melbourne City Council?
I look forward to hearing from you again,
Kind regards,
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hi,
check out these two links. They mention quite a few Bennetts from the Tandragee and Poyntzpass area. I thought one was particularly interesting which states when the family first arrived in the area from England.
They may or may not relate to your particular family but not ventured nothing gained.....
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lzrslong/b308.htm
http://www.thepeerage.com/p28726.htm
Regards , Aljepeka
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Hi Aljepeka,
yes recently saw the Peerage and am so looking forward to connecting our families!
Thanks for the posting.
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Elizabeth Macduff (nee Bennett) ...Her older sister Margaret Brown died in Ashburton, NZ in 1898. She as also one of my GG grandmothers.
I have a bit of information about Margaret and Elizabeth and their families if you are interested?
Andrew Hodgson
Andrew
I am very interested in learning more about your Margaret Brown from Tandragee. There was only one Brown family that I'm aware of in Tandragee and they are mine.
My website is here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/brown.htm
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Gidday Ryck,
Margaret was born a Bennett and was married twice, first to a Henry Bennett, from the same town in Northern Ireland, probably a cousin, and then in NZ, she remarried a man with the surname Brown.
I'm not to sure whether he was from Northern Ireland or elsewhere.
Regards
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Andrew
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Sounds like it's probably not a connection. I got excited when I saw "Brown" and "Tandragee" 'cause there's only one family. But, alas, your connection was post-emigration. Thanks anyway.
Ryk
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Hi Paula
I don't know if this helps or not. But I was in Tandragee in 2003 and I found a number of Redpaths and one Bennet in the Parish Of Ballymore, St Mark's Church.
The Bennet (only one t) inscription reads:
This is the burying place of William Bennet
Here lyeth his son George Bennet Aged Eight years Departed in 1742
Of course, this a bit early but it might be of use to you. I have photos of the Redpath graves also. I can make no connection to Elizabeth Ann Redpath though
I have a photo from which I have just read the Bennet inscription if you'd like it.
Incidently, my mother (Robert Bennet's grandaughter) tells me that Robert Bennett's farm in Victoria was called "Laureldale" I have just discovered that there is a "LaurelVALE" in or near Tandragee. Unfortunately I didn't know this when I was there! Does this ring any bells?
I presume from you previous message that you know the details of Robert's passage to Australia. (That he travelled alone to join his Mother who had travelled some years earlier)
cheers
Lloyd
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Sorry, I made a mistake, I actually found TWO Bennetts. And the second one has two t's and is a little later.
This one reads
Here lieth the body of the late George Bennett of Pointzpais who departed this life February 22nd 1825 aged 55 years Also his wife Jane Bennett who departed this life 25th May 1824 aged 62 years
Same Churchyear: St Marks in Tandragee. I have photo of course which I just used to read the inscription.
cheers
Lloyd
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More corrections: I just did some digging on the links mentioned earlier and found
George BENNET was born in 1768 in Lancashire Or Northumberland, England. He died on 22 Feb 1823 in Poyntzpass, County Armagh.He was buried Unknown in Tandragee Church. He is reference number 40002.
This is our George. And when I put my glasses on, I realised that my photo shows only 1 t and George's birth year is 1823 not 1825.
So the inscription is actually:
Here lieth the body of the late George Bennet of Pointzpais who departed this life February 22nd 1823 aged 55 years Also his wife Jane Bennet who departed this life 25th May 1824 aged 62 years
Hope this is of interest to somebody... Happy to supply photos to those that wish to verify my dodgy transcriptions!
cheers
Lloyd
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Hi Lloyd,
Great work, I have sent you a message offline, I am just trying to establish which of "our George" this is. Any photos you have will be great to see. As you may know I am stuck on William Bennett and his wife Anne Rennie.
Looking forward to bridging the gap!
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I am just looking through a book about Tandragee and have found mention of John and Edward Bennett just in case it helps with your families:
John Bennett operated a stone masonry business in Tandragee
Emigrated to Australia 1842
Continued as a stonemason in Melbourne with a very successful business - The Globe Hotel being one of the buildings he constructed
Elected Mayor of Melbourne in 1861 and 1862
Edward Bennett born Tandragee 13/07/1834
Emigrated to Australia 1851 on 'London' and took 4 months to get there
When he landed in Victoria, Melbourne was a village
He took part in the Gold Rush (1851-60s)
1886 He joined up with the volunteers against the Maoris
Celebrated his 109th birthday in Briagolong 1943
At this time he had 153 living descendants inc 7 sons, 4 daughters, 63 grandchildren and 79 great grandchildren
Karen
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Ryk
Just turned the page of the book about Tandragee and found a note that Private Alexander Brown (born ballyshiel c1805) was part of the British Expeditionary Force sent to China during the first Opium war.
26th Regiment of Foot (Cameronian)
listed as 5'5 in height with fair hair, hazel eyes and a fair complexion
Enlisted at Gibraltar 21/07/1818 aged 13, discharged 26/10/1846 aged 41 due to ill health brought on by bouts of fever and dysentry sustained serving abroad.
Service included 14 years in India and 10 months in China.
Karen
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Hi Karen,
Thankyou for the information, can you please advise which book you are referring from. Also does it mentioned that Edward and John were brothers?
Many thanks for your help.
Paula
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The book is simply called 'Tandragee Remembers' by Richard Newell, a local man. I have borrowed it from a friend. It remembers those who died or served in war since Tandragee was founded. It is very interesting however there is no index of names which is frustrating.
The note on John and Edward is under the heading 'The colonisation of Australia' (1788-1868).
While they are both in the same paragraph as if they were brothers/family, the book does not explicitly say they are brothers.
I can't seem to find a contact for the author in the book, but I will see if I can contact him to ask for his source for this info.
Karen
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Hi Karen,
Many thanks for your help - it can be quite difficult being this far away in Australia sometimes.
Again, thankyou
Paula
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Ryk
Just turned the page of the book about Tandragee and found a note that Private Alexander Brown (born ballyshiel c1805) was part of the British Expeditionary Force sent to China during the first Opium war.
26th Regiment of Foot (Cameronian)
listed as 5'5 in height with fair hair, hazel eyes and a fair complexion
Enlisted at Gibraltar 21/07/1818 aged 13, discharged 26/10/1846 aged 41 due to ill health brought on by bouts of fever and dysentry sustained serving abroad.
Service included 14 years in India and 10 months in China.
Karen
Karen, Thank you very much for this information. I have attached it to my research leads.
Ryk
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Hi, I have just found the site and read through the messages. The 'book' seems to be a little astray from the truth. Robert Bennett was the stone mason and city councilor 1861 - 1862. When John Bennett, wife Septima and children including son Edward arrived in Australia in 1852 they were delivered to a Robert Bennett at the Globe Inn in Swanston Street, Melbourne. John (or Johnathan) had two brothers already in Victoria - George and William who both had land in the Burwood area now known as Bennettswood. Edward was later to have land there and was on the Box Hill Council for a while. They are mentioned quite frequently in Andrew Lemon's 'History of Box Hill'. I have not been able to prove a relationship between Robert and the three brothers - but believe there must be one. The key seems to be finding William's (senior) siblings and parents.
I also believe that it was another family ancestor who was in the Maori Wars.
Edward was my g.g.grandfather.
Merry
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Hi All, New to this site, but have been following with interest the posts, particularly regarding my great great grandfather Robert Bennett who was born in Tandragee in 1822. He was Mayor of Melbourne and served in the first Legislative Assembly in Vic. He also appeared in a Royal Commission regarding land deals. He owned the Globe Hotel, building it after a days work, quarrying bluestone from the Merri Creek and working by candle light. He owned a large home in St Kilda, called Tandragee House and held many pastoral runs, particularly around Hattah National park, towards Mildura. There are wells in the area still bearing his name. He was a colourful and interesting man. My sister edited a book entitled "A Stonemason's Journey" about his life. It is available in Vic through inter library loans. According to his death info Robert's father was also Robert Bennett. My parents have been lucky enough to visit the remains of the Bennett home in Tandragee and are in regular contact with Bennett descendants there. Merry, it is with great interest I looked at your photo of Edward. I have a photo of Robert and there is quite a similarity.
Regards
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Hi Moonah, Thanks for the reply - perhaps Robert senior and William were brothers? I will be seeking the Stonemasons life story at the library. M
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Hi there
I am a descendent of John Redpath (1842-1882) who emigrated to NSW in 1866. I have just found out that he is from Tadragee, parents were John Redpath and Jane Blake.
You mentioned that you had some photos of Redpath graves. I was just wondering if it was possible to post them on the site?
He also had 3 siblings that I know of, Joseph, Eliza and Ann Jane. I believe that the sisters ended up in NZ but not sure what happened to Joseph. I also know that both he and his father were stone masons- so may have had some connection with the Bennetts you have mentioned.
I would be so grateful for any information at all.
Kind regards,
Nicola
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Sorry to jump in with unrelated stuff but I'm new to this site and am trying to contact "Orangelil" who replied in 2010 to a message called "Tandragee Cemetry Lookup". (She has most recently posted to this message) she said she was reading a book borrowed from a friend called 'Tandragee Remembers' and there was a chapter about those who emmigrated to Australia. I was wondering if you see this message and you still have the book if there were any of the Hyde family mentioned in that chapter. John and Ann Jane). Help would be hugely appreciated
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Welcome to Rootschat. I've moved your post to the Tandragee thread in case someone else can help you if orangelil can't.
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Hello everyone - it has been some time since I was looking at this branch of my family and when a conversation over the weekend focused on William Bennett and Anne Rennie I thought I must log on a check the progress.
It still seems so many of us are trying to connect the dots between William and his family. Something very interesting my aunt mentioned to me, was that her husband at some time started searching for Anne through a similar name of Reaney/Rainey as this was apparently a name also in Tandragee and Cargans and could possibly be the connection we are looking for.
It is possible that someone has information on these names and can see whether it is possible that there was a transcript error for Annes surname.
Has anyone else had any success within this line of the family? Would love to hear.
Warm regards,
Paula
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Hi Paula,Have you any further info on the connection between Johnathan Bennett [ father of Edward Arthur ] and Robert Bennett. Have been able to source info about Robert, the Globe Inn etc - he is a relative of the current Lord Mayor of Melbourne, Robert Doyle who has Bennett as one of his christian names.
Janne Blacker great great granddaughter of Edward Arthur
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Hi Janne,
Yes I saw that connection, even though Ive managed to find more researchers in the same family, no-one has been able to make the connection - I think we will have to see if we can get someone on the ground to look in local records etc. Every few months or so I have another look and see what I can find but always hit a brick wall as I can only rely on online records.
Cheers,
Paula
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I was so glad to read this entry. Edward Bennett was my great great grandfather and handed over to Robert Bennett your great, great, great grandfather when he arrived in Melbourne in 1852 with his father Johnathan, step mother Septima and other family members. From my investigations Johnathan's father William remained in Ireland as I expect did Robert's father Robert. Maybe William and Robert were brothers. Do you know details of when and how Robert came to Victoria? I will try to get hold of the book.
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Hello all
My Robert Bennett born 1848 was a son of Robert Bennett who married Elizabeth Ann Redpath in Tandragee on the 14th January 1847. Robert Senior was a son of William Bennett & Ann Rennie. Known brothers include William, George and Jonathon all of who came to Australia.
Robert was buried on the 24th April 1849 at Tandragee. Elizabeth or Betty Ann as she was known by then married George Guinea on the 22nd of June 1852 also in Tandragee. George & Betty Ann came to Australia on board the "Clara" arriving in Portland in 1854.
Robert Bennett (son) did not come out to Australia until 1868 on board the "White Star". He went on to marry Susanna Buck in 1872 and had a large family of seventeen children of whom we have pretty much traced. We are planning a reunion for 2014 and want to have the information as complete as possible for then.
Elizabeth Ann Redpath was confirmed on the 28th September 1828 Tandragee and was a daughter of Thomas & Grace Redpath.
Other known brothers & sisters were: James, Grace & Thomas Redpath. Any information about these Irish Redpaths would be most welcome.
Thanks
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I am a great, great grand daughter of Johnathan but have no info on the Redpath family. Johnathan and his son Edward, came to Australia in 1852 and Edward, my great grandfather spent the last of his days in Briagolong along with many of his children including my grandfather George Oliver Bennett.
Janne Blacker
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I have started a couple of groups on FB on other family lines and by combining our information have had alot of success in filling gaps and gathering information and photos.
If anyone is related to these families, please come and join us so we can correspond together https://www.facebook.com/groups/110219635793734/
Cheers,
Paula
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Hi Janne
Your Johnathan and my Robert who died in Ireland were brothers. I have a little info about your line but it has mostly come off the internet. Am happy to share. Is there anything in particular you want to know? A friend is travelling to ireland next year and we are compiling a list for her to look at.
Tania
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Thanks Tania, Trying to establish siblings of William Bennett who married Anne Rennie - was there one also named Robert? Robert Bennett who became Mayor of Melbourne was born in Tandragee in 1822.
Janne
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Hi Janne
Robert Bennett son of William Bennett & Anne Rennie died in Ireland before the other brothers came to Australia. The Robert Bennett who became Lord Mayor of Melbourne is not the son of William & Anne Bennett.
Have joined Paula's Facebook group.
Cheers Tania
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Thanks Tania. Trying to establish why my great grandafther and gg grandafther were passed into care of Robert Bennett who owned Globe Hotel. Yes I joined the Paula's facebook page.
regards
Janne
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hey everyone.....
from what i found out about robert bennett. william and ann son robert bennett married jane guy im not related but ive studied the bennett family tree from tandragee, armagh,northern ireland cause im dating robert bennetts 5th great grandson (surname harris i cant tell his name thats private) robert bennett and jane guy had a son john bennett he married margaret ewings...
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Hi Joanna,
Re your Robert Bennett - he is on a different family (yet to be connected) than most of our Robert Bennett b1827- to William and Ann - but as always - great to have more info for when we do make that connection ;)
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Hello I have just joined when I stumbled across this thread. Andrew my GG grandparents are Henry and Margaret Bennett also. My father is a Kevin Bennett, his father Henry Frederick Bennett born Ashburton NZ in 1896. His parents were Robert Bennett 1869-1952 and Laura Johnston (maiden name). I believe Robert Bennett married Margaret and was son of Henry and Ellen? I am looking to take my father to Tandragee next year so am interested in any intelligence on this. Just started the planning. Thanks Ruth
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Sorry not Ellen but Jane Guy