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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: smiffy43 on Wednesday 30 November 11 00:37 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
Could someone please do a lookup on a peter Coatsworth & his wife Ann. They Married At All Saints Newcastle on Tyne 1829 Any help would much appreciated.
Cheers Ron
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Hi
There is this one....
1841 Census England Northumberland All Saints Byker
HO107/846/5/3
Ballast Hills
COATSWORTH
Peter 35 Journeyman Cabinet Maker Not born in this County
Ann 30 Born in this County
Robert 8 Born in this County
Margaret 5 Born in this County
Ephraim 3 Born in this County
Thomasina 1 Born in this County
Mary MORGAN 15 Female Servant Born in this County
Thomas WOOD 50 Male Servant Born in Ireland
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi Karenlee,
They are the ones Thanks for that, could I impose on you to do a check for them in the 1851 census or do I have to make a seperate request. Thanks.
Cheers Ron
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Here ya go.... ;D ;D ;D
1851 Census England Northumberland Newcastle on Tyne All Saints Byker
HO107/2408/78/39
108 Ballast Hill
COATSWORTH
Peter Head Marr 45 Publican Lanchester Durham
Ann Wife Marr 42 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
Robert Son Unmarr 18 Cabinet Maker Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
Margaret Dau Unmarr 14 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
Ephraim Son Unmarr 12 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
Thomasina Dau Unmarr 10 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
Ann Dau Unmarr 8 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
John Son Unmarr 6 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
Peter Son Unmarr 4 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland
In 1861 Peter is the Publican at the "Glassmaker's Arms" 19 Grey Street Byker. Only children still with him and Ann are Ann aged 18, John aged 16 and Peter aged 14.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Excellent, Many Thanks again your a legend.
Cheers Ron
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I have found the baptisms for most of Peter and Ann's children on the familysearch.org website. Ephraim Palmer COATSWORTH and James Dunn COATSWORTH amongst them.
Karenlee
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I had checked it out but still needed to really confirm them with the census. Plus I did'nt have the three youngest which you supplied via the census plus other bits I did not have.
Thanks again & Cheers Ron
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Satley St. Cuthbert
Peter Coatsworth, of Longburn Head, Lanchester, born 6 Aug 1805 baptised 8 Sep 1805, 6th child and [blank] son of John Coatsworth, native of West Rainton in the parish of Houghton le Spring by his wife Thomasin daughter of Robert & Isabella Davison, of Hebburn in the parish of Jarrow
Elizabeth was 1st daur in 1802
Janis
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Hi Janis,
Well that was a definate surprise, and an absolute pearl of info I do'nt suppose you have any more pearls like that on the Coatsworth family. Thanks heaps for what you sent me. The family didn't seem to move around all that far. But I suppose the further you go back the harder to get information. Thanks again.
Cheers Ron
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Well that was a definate surprise, and an absolute pearl of info
You can thank Bishop Shute Barrington for that pearl of info. He was Bishop of Durham and a keen amateur genealogist. He required his clergy to keep detailed parish register entries such as the one Janis has given you.
'Barrington' entries go from 1797 to 1812. (Of course, at that time the Diocese of Durham also included Northumberland.)
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Thomonson (sic) Davison, Jarrow, baptised 18 Oct 1769 daur of Robert.
There are no mother's names. I see 2 possible marriages for Robert but I suspect they were in Jarrow and I have Heworth marriages only. 20 Oct 1763 to Isabel Wilson. There is a previous Robert Davison to a Mary Wilson in 1760
Incidentially there is a sibling Peter as well as other's
Jarrow and Heworth records are difficult as they are mixed, then someone tried to separate. Then some are and some are not.
There are several possible John Coatsworth baptisms in Houghton le Spring to choose from.
Marriage Boldon:
John Coatsworth and Thomasin Davison, both of this parish, by banns, 9 Feb 1790. Witnesses: William Jordan and Peter Davison--neither were serial witnesses
Janis
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Well that was a definate surprise, and an absolute pearl of info
You can thank Bishop Shute Barrington for that pearl of info. He was Bishop of Durham and a keen amateur genealogist. He required his clergy to keep detailed parish register entries such as the one Janis has given you.
'Barrington' entries go from 1797 to 1812. (Of course, at that time the Diocese of Durham also included Northumberland.)
Thanks JenB
If only all the bishops were as keen as Bishop Barrington, genealogy would be just that little bit easier.
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Thanks Janis
every little bit helps, much appreciated.
Cheers Ron
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I tried looking for any births to John Coatsworth and Thomasin Davison in Boldon as that was where they married but nothing so far. Sorry but life is saying I have to get to other things besides this hobby. Will see what else I cna find. It my be 2 in the afternoon to folks in the UK but it is 8 am to me across the pond.
Janis
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Thanks Janis,
I'll say Good Morning to you and good night from me 12.30 am here
Cheers Ron
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Hi Im having the same problem finding John Coatsworth's birth certificate, even his death certificate seems elusive! John is my 6x grandfather. Has there been any news here?
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Hi
other births for Thomasin and John Coatsworth were in Newcastle Upon Tyne Northumberland. Peter was the only one born in Lanchester Durham. :)
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Welcome to Rootschat!
The National Burial Index has these entries from Ballast Hills Cemetery, Newcastle. Possibles?
John Coatsworth age 78 burial 4 May 1826
Thomasin Coatsworth age 52 burial 31 Dec 1820
I note that the abode given on the baptism for Ralph Davison Coatsworth in 1813 is Ballast Hills.
William
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Hi William and thank you! Yes I think they are the John and Thomasin my 6x grandparents :D
I have tried to contact West Rainton/Leamside parish in Durham where John was native to, and also Houghton le Spring parish in search of his birth details but with little luck. Houghton le Spring apparently have few records and with the Covid its difficult for anyone to check.
I thank you for your response
Regards Karen
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Hi William
Actually I have just realised that according to John's age at the time he passed, I have been looking for the incorrect year of birth! Thats the problem with ancestry and family search family trees, a lot of the information on there has no evidence to back it :(
So John's year of birth would be 1748 and I've been searching for 1765!
Still not sure if he would have originally been from Newcastle Upon Tyne and moved to Durham for the mining? or if he was born in Durham, or even Yorkshire??
Any chance you are able to help please?
Regards Karen
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Hi Karen
If you have not done so already it might be worth finding the Bts which exist for the children of John and Thomasin. As far as I can see these are the possible children of this couple for whom baptism records appear to still exist.
John 1791 Ponteland
Robert 1793 Ponteland
Elizabeth 1802 Satley
Peter 1805 Satley
Isabella 1808 Newcastle
Ralph Davison 1813 Newcastle
George 1813 Newcastle
The most detailed are those for Elizabeth, Peter and Isabella which are from the aforementioned Barrington period. Elizabeth's states that John was a native of the parish of Houghton le Spring (it also gives his occupation as hind). Peter's states he was a native of West Rainton in the parish of Houghton le Spring but Isabella's says he was a native of Boldon.
I have looked at Durham Records Online, a great source, and can see no records for a baptism for John Coatsworth . There are some records showing on Familysearch for Coatsworth baptisms in the early 1750's in Houghton le Spring - all have father as John Coatsworth but think it would be hard to say that this is what you are after with any certainty.
Hope this helps.
William
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Hi William
Thank you so much for your information! I did know that Peters birth certificate states John was native to West Rainton, and I knew the marriage certificate says he was native to West Rainton, but I didnt know about Elizabeth being born in Satley and the details there.
Are you all just volunteers who access this information? If thats the case, then I am especially grateful to you. My father passed away when I was quite young and the family was very disfunctional. There was of course very little information on our family history available to myself, my siblings as well as my cousins and so I want to say how much this means to all of us.
With very kind regards to you and yours
Karen Coatsworth.
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Welcome to Rootschat :-)
As William says the Bishops Transcripts are available on Family Search. They are not indexed so we need to browse them. This page lists what is available for each of the counties within the Diocese of Durham
https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index?owc=https://www.familysearch.org/service/cds/recapi/collections/1309819/waypoints
Satley is within the county of Durham and when I looked I couldn't see the baptism record for Elizabeth, or indeed any baptisms for 1802, which was puzzling.
I went back to the listing and see that Family Search have a section labelled Esh, Satley.
and she is in there
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6WLS-7T7?wc=9K5S-7MH%3A13618101%2C24190901%2C18686602&cc=1309819
Boo
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Thanks Boo for adding that.
Just to say that I located the possible children by firstly doing a free search on Durham Records online. i entered the surname Coatsworth and parents John and Thomasin in the section on parish records. I actually found their Bts in this case using the site FindMyPast where a lot (not all) of the Bts have been indexed. Freereg is another site to recommend.
It is also worth saying that their may be variations to the way the surname Coatsworth is written / transcribed eg Cotesworth, Coatworth.
Yes Karen a lot of the regulars here are amateurs who enjoy looking for information and trying to help to solve puzzles. A lot of my own family history is in Northumberland and Durham and so I am particularly interested in that area. It can be just as absorbing looking at other folks family puzzles as one's own!
William
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Thanks Boo
Very grateful :):)
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Just wondering
On Peter's baptismal records it states he is the 6th child of John and Tomasin Coatsworth. I cant find evidence of any other children other than John, Robert, Elizabeth and then Peter. Could this mean that other children may have been stillborn? Would there be burial records?
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I cannot see any possible burial records - if the other children were baptised it may simply be a case that records have not survived .
William
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Thank you William :)