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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: caerfai on Wednesday 30 November 11 14:04 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I cannot get any further bac k on my tree. Can somone help please?
Esau married a Maria Roberts .
They seem to be around Northop area.
I would be so greatful for help. Past relatives worked at the Minera Mines if that helps.
Thank you.
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They seem to be around Northop area.
Can you always include actual birthplaces in any post.
1851 shows he was born Northop and was living in Whitford at that time
I cannot get any further bac k on my tree
Do you mean you are looking for details of Esau's parentage or are you looking for info from when he married
What census info do you already have so we don't duplicate
Somebody notified a mistranscription to the 1851 census back in 2008 comment as follows
My GGGfather - have tracked 1841 - 1871 census in samer place with same spouse
Submitted by trefor1 on 21/06/2008
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Hi thank you for your time-I am really stuck here.
I have Esau born Northop 1803 and death Holywell 1879.
I have census 41 through to 71.
His wife Maria Roberts born Whitford 1802 and died 1884.
I have been in contact with Trefor who reported the error but he has not found Esau's parentage, which I am after,either.
He says other people have contacted him and no one to date can find his parents.
Many thanks
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Hello,
Holywell baptisms.
Born; Nov 30. Baptised; Dec 6 1840. Richard s/o Esaiah & Maria Jones. Abode, Coopers Rom. Fathers Occ, Miner.
Baptised; Jan 7 1838. John s/o Isaiah & Maria Jones. Holywell. Miner.
Baptised; Nov 25 1835. Thomas s/o Esay & Maria Jones. Holywell. Miner.
Baptised; April 25 1834. Edward s/o Esau & Maria Jones. Holywell. Miner.
Baptised; March 4 1832. Joseph. s/o Esau & Maria Jones. Holywell. Miner.
The only Northop Baptism i could see around that time.
Born Nov 3. Baptised Nov 9 1800; Isaiah Jones s/o Joseph & Mary. Caerfallwch.
Whitford Baptism.
March 1 1803 Maria Roberts d/o Edwd & Cath. Uwch Glan.
March 8 1803 Maria Roberts d/o Edwd & Cath. Uwch Glan.
I don't know why but you sometimes see the same entry on different days.
I didn't have time to look for a marriage.
Paul.
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Hi Paul,
Thank you so very much for this. Where did you find them?
I am sure this is my family. Off ancestry site I have exactly the same names but everso slightly dates
Richard 1841
John 1839
Thomas 1833
Edward 1834
Joseph 1833
The name Esau seems to get wrongly spelt by census.
Now, where do I find Esau's parents?
Esau I have as 1801/1804-Oct 1879
Do I look at parish records and which churches.
On census places he lived at are
Whitehouses
Saithboyd?-can't make that name out
Carmel
Whitford.
It does not look as though he went far.
Thank you so much once again
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Hello caerfai.
I couldn't see a marriage for an Esau Jones & Maria Roberts in
Northop, Holywell, Whitford or Halkyn 1815 - 1835.
I did find a marriage for an Esaih Jones Of this parish & Maria Edwards widow Of this parish.
Nov 30 1830.
I get all my info from parish registers held at the Records office Hawarden.
How do you know his wife was Maria Roberts?
Paul.
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Hi paul,
Thank you so very much for helping me I am so grateful.
I have checked M aria Roberts and you have a point.
I cannot see where anyone has verified this although I will double check. She is on lots of trees as the wife. I will check the other info . I cannot understand where Esau has got to!
Patricia
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Hi Paul,
I have found Maria on the census returms with Esau- an error on the name Esau by the transcriber-this was the 1851 but she is on the others too.
Name Age
Gray Jones 48
Maria Jones 48
Joseph Jones 19
Edward Jones 17
Thomas Jones 15
John Jones 12
Richard Jones 10
Ismael Jones 8
Edward Robert 84
Edward is her father so this is Maria Roberts.
Patricia
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What if; Maria Roberts baptised Whitford 1803 d/o Edwd & Cath married a Mr Edwards.
Mr Edwards died before 1830 and Maria Edwards(a widow) married Esaih Jones in 1830.
On the 1851 census Edward Roberts 84 would still be the father of Maria.
I think Esau, Esay, Isaiah, Esaiah has been miss spelt and or transcribed over the years and
Isaiah Jones born Northop Nov 3 baptised Nov 9 1800 s/o Joseph & Mary could be the man your looking for.
Paul.
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Hi Paul,
Good thinking!
Sorry for the delay in replying-my email was hacked so have had to reset everything.
I will try all that and get back to you. I thought with an unusal name like Esau it would be easy! I never tried the Jones side for tracing for years because i thought-Jones-in wales-now there is a task!!!
Thank you so very much once again-i really am grateful for your help.
Kindest rehgards,
patricia
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Hello,
next time I'll see if I can find a marriage for a Maria Roberts to a Mr Edwards. If there is one
I'll see if there's a burial for him before 1830.
Paul.
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Hello Paul,
Thank you very much.
Weather permitting I expect!
Patricia
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Hi Paul,
Working on your idea.
I have found the following
Thomas Jones b. 1701 (Flintshire) married a Elizabeth b.1703
They had a Thomas b.1727(Northop) who also married an Elizabeth Harrison b.1731.
They had a Thomas b.1762 and a Joseph b.1762 but he died 1763 but they then went on to have another Joseph b. 1766 Caerfallwch.
Now I am wondering whether-if this Joseph married a Mary it might just be my Esau's father!
Northop does not seem to have been a very big place.
Thank you.
Patricia
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Hi Patricia,
I like your thinking :)
As I said I couldn't see an Esau born in Northop.
On the original baptism parish records for his children he is either Esau, Esay, Esaiah or Isaiah.
His first son is Joseph(after his father?) the next son Edward(after Maria's father?) :-\
What do you think of this?
Whitford marriage Nov 28 1823.
John Edwards. Of the parish of Holywell.
Maria Roberts. Of this parish.
Witnesses. John Pierce & Mary Hallington.
Pity this is all the info you get on most marriages before 1837.
I also found a Whitford burial that could fit.
July 6 1826. John Edwards. abode, Mostyn Lodge. Age 23.
That should give you something to think about ;D
Paul.
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Hi Paul,
Fantastic detective work!
Will feed this in and do some more scouting. Feel I am getting somewhere.
Really thought with a name like Esau this would be easy!
Thank you so very much once again. Let me know when you have had enough!!
Patricia
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I found this looking through the Whitford marriage index.
April 28 1857.
Joseph Jones(x) 24. bachelor. Occ, Miner. abode, Saithenlwyd. father, Esau. Occ, Miner.
Margaret Blackwell. 22. spinster. abode, Park. father, Jeremiah. Occ, Miner.
Waitresses. Edward Jones(x) & Annie Williams.
(x) = did not sign made mark.
Paul.
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Hi Paul,
Yes this is perfectly correct- I have-- can you copy and paste this link?
This is part of the tree,kind permission of Trefor-relating to Joseph who I thought was brother to my Thomas-father of Isaiah. There are some photos of Joseph and Margaret Blackwell and an Esau but I think this is their son-not my Esau.What do you think?
Would it be any help to invite you to my tree on Ancestry?
Wonder which Edward was the witness? I think Esau the father and Joseph Blackwell,the brides father mined at Minera. Will send this on in next post.
Thank you again so much-is the trail getting warmer?
Patricia
http://www.medical-legal.co.uk/genealogy/f36.htm
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Hi Paul,
I have had tremendous problems logging in to Rootsweb so gave up. I thought I would have another go since my visit the other day to Wales. I am on the trail again and met up with another Ancestry member. Are you able to help again may I ask?
Kindest Regards,
Patricia