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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: amantay on Thursday 01 December 11 23:16 GMT (UK)
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Any information regarding my family who go by these names would be greatly appreciated . Both Gypsy family's from the Somerset area
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Hi and welcome
Without more info it may be difficult to determine the right families
The 1901 census has 876 entries in Somerset for the surname Lock but only 11 for the surname Jowles
Can you give some names/birthyears/birthplaces etc but not for any people who are still alive
If you already have any census or BMD info on the families - can you tell us so we don't duplicate efforts
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Thanks for your reply , i do have some info but not to hand right now . Will post as soon as i can . I know many of my family are buried in the churchyard in |Yatton Somerset - the gypsy graves .
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, this looks a good bet for your relatives:-
1901 Census
Henry Jowles 64 occ Licensed Hawker (Or Gipsy) b Not Known
Mary Ann 47 Wife b Elton Herefordshire
Tom 30 b Yatton
Betsey 26 b Broadway
Abraham 16 b Allerton
Robert 14 b Churchill
Isaac 12 b Ashill
Edith 10 b Yatton
Walter 4 b Yatton
Residing at (Nye Drove Caravan) Rolstone Road, Banwell Village, Somerset.
Census Ref RG13/2323/12/16
Keyboard86
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Yes and thankyou ... My ancestors are Isaac Jowles who married Merrily Cooper ( the graves in Yatton ) My great grandmother was Phoebe Lock who married Meyrick Lock . I believe your post is the right family .... many thanks
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Hi again, this is the Lock family in 1901 with hopefully your Merrick/Meyrick
William Lock 59 b Cheddar
Rebecca b Wooten Under Edge, Gloucs
Merrick 29 b Oxford Upton, Gloucs
Hadam 28 b Farnham, Surrey
Brittania 20 b Nailsea
Maurice 17 b Nailsea
Cinderella 16 b Nailsea
Lavinia 14 b Nailsea
Mary Ann 13 b Nailsea
Christabel 6 b Nailsea
Rubin Lock 36 Visitor b Kingswood, Gloucs.
Residing at Union Street, Nailsea, Long Ashton, Somerset.
Census Ref RG13/2354/61/34
All men described as " Peddler & Horse Dealers" The women " Peddler & Hawker"
Keyboard86
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The census entry you have posted is correct . I have just spoken to my mother who's Grandfather was Merrick Lock and she remembers meeting a few of his siblings as a child .... Many thanks for your help :)
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Dear amantay, I have just been looking on RootsChat.Com And I noticed that you are relatives of the Joules family, I am too. Funny enough we have just come back from Weston, and we were trying to find out where Merrily and their family are buried. My Grandfathers brother Ernest Wallis married Bettsy Joules . Perhaps you can get in touch with me as I have photographs and info., to share perahaps you can share with me too. Best wishes Pearl
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Hello Pearl , yes my great grandmother was Phoebe Joules . I have family that still live around Weston now . The graves you are searching for are in St Mary's Church in Yatton which is close to Bristol . Merrily is buried along with many other Joules family there . The story goes that when Merrily died her husband Issac Joules was so grief stricken he spent many days and nights laying on the grave. I have been to see it myself the graves are located near the entrance to the church , they have a black wrought iron enclosure around them . If you would like to keep in contact to share storys and info i'd be more than happy to . My email address is * ... may be easier on there ... Best regards Amantay
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Googled and found information on Romanyconnections site in connection with this family!
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go to romanyconnections.wetpaint.com.this is my website for romany family research and i have a lot on the joles/jowels/joules family.yes alot of them are buried at yatton in somerset.a lot went to and fro from america aswell.it all started with issac joules born in wiltshire 1772 who married merrily cooper(both buried at yatton)join my web site and ask as many questions as you like.it may already be on the site but if not i have plenty of info,paper cuttings,photos ect.,
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Merrick Lock birth registry
he was listed in Chipping Sodbury Gloucestershire 1872 Jul/Aug/Sept 6a 189
This certificate should give you parents
He died in 1946 Weston Super Mare Somerset aged 74
I am related to the Joles family -especially those that went to live in America if you wish to contact me .......... I can tell you about them
For those asking about Betsy & Pheobe Joles they were daughters of
Henry Joles b 1856 - Mary Rey b 1852 they married in Taunton Somerset 1876
I would like to know about Valley Joles b 1870 Weston super Mare
he wed Unity Stanley ( sometimes called Lily) had 2 sons
Henry b1895 Devon -William b 1897 Devon
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I've recently been given 2 photographs of Rebecca Lock of Nailsea, one calling at Court Farm in Clevedon, the other a studio photo with one of her babies.
I can scan these, would you like copies?
Thrilled to know about the link with the Joules - you'll know of the engraving of Isaac, I'm sure?
best wishes, Jane Lilly ;D
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i would love a scan of what you have.i have copies of the engraving of issac and lots of different newspaper cuttings.i also have a old photo of a wagon they were using to stop in about 1920s round the nailsea and yatton areas.i will try and email you my email address by pm.cathaybxx
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Could this be Rebecca Lock marriage?
1899 24-Apr
William LOCK 56 b 1843 Bachelor Tin Plate worker
Father - William Lock deceased Hawker Bristol,
Rebecca Lock 43 b 1856 Spinster
Father : Obadiah Lock deceased Hawker Bristol
Also a will dated 1933 Rebecca Lock died a widow on 24th April Nailsea Somerset
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no luck with email cathay but will make scans! a few days I expect
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In response to tiggi's comment, I am a descendant of Valley Joles and Lily Stanley Joles. In our family she was always referred to as Lily. What I've been able to worry out is very little. The family story was that they met in the US and she followed him back to the UK and married him. William didn't survive to come back to the US in 1910 with Lily and Henry. I have a couple of pics of GrGrGrandpa Valley and GrGrGrandma Lily. Pics of GrGrandpa Henry and GrGrandma Mabel Beamer Joles.
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Hello Todd
We are distant cousins via Lily Stanley, if you contact me by PM will gladly share what I know.
tiggi
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Hi All,
My name is Gary Stanley and I live in Devon, UK. James Stanley/Unity Wells are grt, grt, grt grandparents and I think I'm related to some of you and was hoping to get some help with tracing family members, specifically James Stanley who married Unity Wells ...
I also have Smalls, Joles/Jowles/Joules, Bucklands and other well known gipsy names in my heritage and as some of you have mentioned, Lily is a relation to me also. It would be great to discover some further information ...
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hi,
not sure who I am talking to exactly but I am a joules/ joles. My family are the joules in Yatton church. My nan & grandad were the last to go into the small sectioned off plot. I am currently still in weston.
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hi.there are some joules dependants still alive in bridgwater too.i have all the newspaper cutting and the tree of isaac and merrily back to isaacs birth.i also have a sketch of him that was drawn by his daughter drusilla.in it you can see steep holm behind him.he and merrily are buried at yatton.we are related through marriage on the cooper side.if i can help with your reseach at all let me know.regards cathayb
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Hi, I am descended from Isaac Jowles and Merrily Jowles/cooper and i would be greatful for any thing you can tell me about the family.
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I have pmed you.regards cathay
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Hello ! I have just found out on ancestry that my 5th great grandfather and grandmother was Isaac joules and merrily , this is so amazing ! I am a defendant of there daughter teanna ?
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Hello everyone
Sorry for my late reply to this thread.
I am the great granddaughter of Merrick Lock and Phoebe Jowles/Lock.
I would be grateful for any photos and I see someone mentioned having photos of a waggon they may have lived in.
My mother has childhood memories of visiting Phoebe in a waggon at Uphill Somerset.
Interested to chat with any relatives from the Locks, Joles/Jowles/Joules family