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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: mimram on Friday 02 December 11 08:56 GMT (UK)
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I have been trying to find out about Bartley Moran, born about 1868 and the Moran family. By 1895 Bartley Moran had moved to London and his father was listed as being Bartley Moran - farmer, on his son's marriage certificate.
Bartley Moran (son) only appears on one census, the 1901, where his birthplace is listed as Ireland, before he dies. I think that Bartley may come from Mayo, probably Ballinrobe. Does anyone know what happened to the Moran family, the parents and when Bartley moved to England? The only Bartley Moran that I can find in Ireland was born in 1865 with parents Bartley Moran and Kitty Smith. Is this the right person?
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Have you a marriage cert for your Bartley ?
That should show his father's occupation and allow you to confirm or rule out, that possible birth.
Bartley is often a shortened version of Bartholomew.
Shane
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sorry misread your post - you have a marriage cert.
A birth cert for that possible match would show and occupation for that Bartley Moran. Here are the extracted details you found :
Name: Bartly Moran
Birth date:30 Sep 1865
Birthplace: 0047,Ballinrobe, Mayo
Parents : Bartly Moran & Kitty Smith
One point to note is that the extracted records on FamilySearch are not complete, so there could be other Bartly Moran births not listed.
Shane
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Yes they are the details I found.
However I don't know how to prove that this is the correct Bartley Moran.
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here's the corresponding detail from the BMD Index (the page number is the same) :
Name: Bartly Moran
Registration district: Ballinrobe
Event type: Birth
Year: 1865
Volume: 19 / Page: 47
You can use these to order a cert from the GRO.
Beside the occupation, I think I'd look for some additional clues just to be sure that this is the same family. Christian names ran in families so it's quite possible there are a number of Bartly/Bartholomew Moran children with father Bartly...
Shane
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I have found several siblings with the same parents as this Bartley on Familysearch.
How can I prove that this is the right Bartley that came over to London and married? I have a marriage and death certificate but there are no further details on them.
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Here's a list of the Bartly/Bartolomew Moran births on the BMD Index between 1864 and 1872 : link (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3ABart*%20%2Bsurname%3AMoran~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1864-1872~&collection_id=1408347&birth_place0=5)
It might be possible to eliminate some of them using the extracted collection.
Is there any sign of any possible Moran relatives in English records ?
e.g. witnesses at marriage, sponsors on baptisms, neighbours on the census etc
It's possible that family is correct I'd certainly put them down as 'possibles', but as you said, I'd look for more evidence.
Shane
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There were no Moran witnesses at the marriage, and nothing listed on baptism records. There are some Morans on the London census, but I don't know if they are related.
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How can I prove that this is the right Bartley that came over to London and married? I have a marriage and death certificate but there are no further details on them.
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that's the problem - there are no records of people travelling to England from Ireland, and there's no easy way to tell if any particular individual left Ireland.
At this time many ordinary people only left records for their major events - i.e. baptism/birth, marriage and death. The key source is usually the marriage record, but unfortunately the occupation of farmer is quite common so not very conclusive.
I think it's worth trying that birth cert so see what the father's occupation is - if it's not Farmer then you might be able to cross him off the list. The cert would also give you a detailed place of birth which might be useful.
Other than following up sources in England, another approach might be to work on the other possible matches on the BMD Index to see if you can eliminate them by checking the father's name and occupation.
Shane
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Thanks.
Where do I need to get the birth certificate from as I have never ordered an Irish one?
I'm hoping that a Moran relative might be able to help with some family knowledge.
There seems to be so little information to go on!
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Where does the Ballinrobe clue come from ?
If the location was a little more certain then it would be a safer bet..
The problem is the Moran surname is quite common - over 10,000 on the 1901 census
for details on Ordering certs see :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
Shane
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From the certificates I have the year of birth works out at 1868, and the father's name is Bartley Moran, farmer.
On Familysearch the only Bartley with a father named Bartley seemed to be this one in Ballinrobe.
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On Familysearch the only Bartley with a father named Bartley seemed to be this one in Ballinrobe.
the father's names are only included in the extracted collection - there's no way to tell father's names for the other Bartly Moran births listed on the BMD index without checking the certs.
Shane
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sorry to complicate things - there's another possible birth, a bit closer to your possible date of birth, variation in spelling..
Name: Bartholemy Moran
Birth date: 13 Sep 1866
Birthplace: 0157, Castlereagh
Parents : Bartholemy Moran & Bridget Neenan
Shane
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I have a lizzie moran who married my grandad John Hughes in Ballinrobe in 1912!!!! But i cant track any more details.
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http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/mayo/ballinrobe.php There are a few morans here, hope it helps
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Interesting item:
I find only one digital birth record in Mayo that is close to a match.
In Ballinrobe RC parish, a Batty Moran is listed as born in 1865 to Kitty Smith and Batty Moran.
Could be that the error occurs in transcription
Found this on RootsIreland.ie
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Hello, I am looking for a John Moran born on July 12, 1829 in Ballinrobe, County Mayo. He emigrated to Ontario, Canada in 1849 and married Ann Baldwin on August 7, 1854 in Smiths Falls, Ontario. I know this is a long shot but I'm hoping that someone might know of a relation to John. Thank you!
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http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=moran&firstname=&offset=40&countyname=MAYO&parishname=BALLINROBE&unionname=BALLINROBE&baronyname=KILMAINE&totalrows=41&PlaceID=0&wildcard=