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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Sunnylyn on Thursday 08 December 11 10:16 GMT (UK)
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Could anybody confirm the parents of Ivan Fiveash born 9 September 1914 New Zealand, died 2 March 1958 New Zealand.
Please help, interested to know if my Grand father had another brother, or if this person was a nephew. ???
Thanks everybody , Sunnylyn
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Hi Sunnylyn
I'm guessing you have the listing for Ivan from the familysearch website, where it also shows parents as : Thomas William FIVEASH and Jessie BOYER ?
[As it's a "submitted" record and no source has been quoted, it should of course, be treated with caution. ]
The NZ BDM death index gives Ivan's age at death in 1958, as 42 years (born about 1916) - but that could well be incorrect.
I'm assuming that it is Jessie Thomson FIVEASH born about 1868 who is thought to have been the mother of Ivan ? If so, then she would have been about 46 / 47 years old at the time of his birth ? [That age though doesn't necessarily rule her out of being his birth mother. ]
Somebody may have access to a school record which gives a parent's name (one which actually states "father" or "mother", rather than "guardian" of the child) ? ;)
~ Lu
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Hi again
* Do you have the death "printouts" for your g/grandparents (Thomas William & Jessie) ?
In the column headed "Living Issue", you'll find the ages of the children who survived them. (I see they died in the 1930's). If Ivan was their child, then his age will be listed, and that should equate to the year of birth you have for him.
~ Lu
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Incidentally, Ivan FIVEASH first appears on an electoral roll in 1935.
[I have a feeling the voting age was lowered around that time to enable persons slightly younger than 21 years, to vote -- so it may or may not indicate that he was born in 1914.]
1935 - Invergargill Electorate - Supplementary Roll No. 1
FIVEASH - Ivan - 91 Nith Street - occupation, labourer
[No others of same surname, at that address. ]
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1941 he is a Pte, Inf Reinf, from Invercargill, Usual Occp Labourer, Next of Kin- Mrs M.M. Fiveash, Wfe, Address 69 Conon St, Invercargill.
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[His wife, Myra Mary FIVEASH is buried at Anderson's Bay Cemetery, Dunedin ... along with a son. No sign of Ivan.
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz
>> click on "Cemetery Search" :
Interestingly, Ivan makes just that one appearance (1935), on Electoral rolls. ]
Maybe you could also try checking the burial place of Thomas William and Jessie FIVEASH to see if he's with family. Could be that there's a headstone which gives further info. ??
~ Lu
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There are many FIVEASH researchers at A$try
photos etc..no on ehas Ivan listed as a child of T & J
Would pay to have a look at some of the trees at your local library if you don't have a sub
Bye
althea
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Hi Sunnylyn,
Are you a member of NZSG?
They have a certificate for birth of Athol Ivan Joyce Fiveash, b Riverton 1914 in their Certs Collection.
John B
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8) 8) good spotting JohnB
stupid me had entered surname and only scrolled down to IVAN!!!
a lesson well learnt
I'll go back to other site now and look for Athol
Bye
Althea
I would speculate he could have been a son of a daughter of the Thomas and Jessie
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Hi,
Just curious - re the Parents Jessie Boyer and Thomas William Fiveash, are these the same people on the other two threads re Fiveash?
Cheers
KHP
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Somebody may have access to a school record which gives a parent's name (one which actually states "father" or "mother", rather than "guardian" of the child) ? ;)
~ Lu
No sighting, the only school records with Thomas Wm Fiveash are for 1914 and mentioned I think from memory on one of the other threads.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi,
Just curious - re the Parents Jessie Boyer and Thomas William Fiveash, are these the same people on the other two threads re Fiveash?
Cheers
KHP
Hi KHP ... yes, same people. ;)
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Are you a member of NZSG?
They have a certificate for birth of Athol Ivan Joyce Fiveash, b Riverton 1914 in their Certs Collection.
John B
Yes, good spotting, John. ;)
Can see no death (or marriage) registered in above "longer version" of name ... and no electoral roll listings either.
So looking likely to be the same "Ivan" as shown in the IGI (submitted) record.
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Sunnylyn
1914 - WALLACE Electoral Roll
FIVEASH - Frederick Thomas William - bushman
FIVEASH - Jessie Thomson - married
FIVEASH - Thomas William
.... all living at Te Wae Wae (Tewaewae - modern spelling ?)
ALSO ...
FIVEASH - Sarah - Spinster -- Orepuki
The nearest Registrar's office to Tewaewae / Orepuki, would appear to have been Riverton.
~ Lu
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Hi,
There is an Ivan Fiveash who died in 1959 (burial locator also states another dod year as 1958) aged 42 ... this gives a birth year of 1916/1917. Buried at Owaka Cemetery ....
Oops sorry Lu, just seen your comment on the 1958 death year earlier on, blame it on the heat shower that is soon to arrive :D
Cheers
KHP
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I'm assuming that it is Jessie Thomson FIVEASH born about 1868 who is thought to have been the mother of Ivan ? If so, then she would have been about 46 / 47 years old at the time of his birth ? [That age though doesn't necessarily rule her out of being his birth mother. ]
~ Lu
There is also a Jessie Fiveash buried at Owaka ..... died 1931 aged 62 also Frederick T W Fiveash .... died 1942 aged 49 which makes his birth about 1893
Cheers
KHP
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No probs. khp. ;D
Are there any other FIVEASH burials at Owaka ??
~ Lu
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ooops ... our posts crossed.
Do these others share a plot ?
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Clara Fiveash died 1952 aged 60 ...there is a probate for her. There were two entries the other age was given as abt 62
Dorothy Gladys Fiveash died 1955 aged 59 ... like above the age was given as abt 54
Fred Fiveash died 1942 aged 49
Margaret Fiveash died 1931 - no age recorded
William Boyer Fiveash died 1963 aged 64
That is them all Lu .... no mention of sharing plots on the locator 2 I have. I guess the cemetery fiche would need to be checked for that.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Sunnylyn
Try the NZSG Balclutha branch for further info on your FIVEASH family.
Many of them are listed in the Master Index at the following link ... and they should also be able to provide details of records for Owaka Cemetery.
http://www.balcluthagenealogy.org.nz/index.htm
~ Lu
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If there are any gaps, let me know and I'll look at the trees online
I have left a message for one researcher, they may pop in here soon
Bye
althea
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Cheers khp. :)
I think now that Balclutha NZSG can probably help Sunnylyn further.
[Best records (at this stage) for helping to confirm parentage, are death printouts for Thomas William and Jessie FIVEASH ... and Sunnylyn may already have copies of these ? ]
:)
~ Lu
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The certificate collection quoted by John B has a matching name who may be the mother, but due to the age restrictions, I can't put it, as previously stated, I hope the researcher quoted can confirm this
I can let Sunny lyn known by pm
Bye
Althea
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:)
Thank you all for your absolutely spot on ideas followed by confirming research. I had been thinking that the parents of Ivan were not those shown on the family search website, and had made an educated guess as to which member of the family would be the mother.
By chance today another family member also the descendant of the generation we are looking at, rang and was able to confirm your work, but delighted to have the correct information to add to their family files as well as mine.
Yes the Fiveash connections are connected to other lines of current research, and hopefully have put out a please contact to another researcher who I think is a direct family member to myself, have many photos to share with her.
Next question? Does anybody know if the Mary Ann Fiveash born 1872 Tunbridge Wells Kent;died 31/12/1943 Tapanui W. Otago and married to James White Isteed was known as "Polly".
Have a photograph with To George & Pearl with love from Aunts Sarah & Polly.
The George referred to is my grandfather George Boyer Fiveash b17/10 1893 at Wakapatu.
The family generation referred to would be the children of Thomas Fiveash and Annie Eliza Skinner. Thanks again, regards Sunnylyn
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LOL any of us here have had this "Polly" question before
and many of us have a Mary Ann who was called Polly
Mine is Mary Ann Earl, always known as Polly
Bye
althea
Several of the trees at $A have Polly as a child of Thomas and Annie
(they also have Mary Ann..so I think your summation is probably the right one, that they are the same person)
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Dear Sunnylyn, I came across this old post when doing a search on behalf of my mothers cousin. He has some specific and accurate information about Ivan Fiveash and his parents, which are not those recorded on the birth certificate. The parents listed are in fact his grandparents. I can put you in touch if you are interested....
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Thankyou Joyfulsue,
My Grandfather George Boyer Fiveash was in fact Ivan Fiveash's Uncle not his brother as indicated on the birth papers.Yes I do have a rare photograph of Ivan as a child that was in my grandparents photo collection if you are interested I would be happy to share this with you.Happy researching
Sunnylyn
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Hi Sunnylyn,
Joyfulsue might need to make another post to enable their Personal Message (PM) facility but I suggest you try sending them a PM with your email address in case they can receive it. They you can exchange information more readily.
Congratulations on making a connection. :)
Spades
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Thanks sunnylyn. I will pass this on to my cousin. It would be good to be able to PM as suggested by spades
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Sunnylyn and Joyfulsue - I'd be very interested in making contact with you as I think we could be connected via a daughter of George Thomson and Helen Leadbetter of Pine Hill, Dunedin.
This earlier thread might be of interest to you:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=746638.0
I have a marriage printout. The bride says her mother's name is Catherine Thomson. One of the witnesses is David Dickie of Elm Row, Dunedin. He was the husband of Jeannie Thomson so was George Thomson's son-in-law.
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Not sure if this adds anything but there is this Baptismal Record from Presbyterian Archives
http://www.archives.presbyterian.org.nz/baptismdatabase.htm
" Orepuki Parish Baptisms 1899 to 1920 Parish Code 22/54
Please Note : Dates quoted may reflect the year of birth rather than the year of baptism.
FIVEASH Athol Evan Joyce (Adopted) 1914 B22/54/1 "
There may be further information available -
Information Recorded on the Original Rolls :
Full Roll entries may include all or some of the following (the amount of information recorded varies considerably) :
Full name of the child baptised
Name of the Father
Occupation of the Father
Name of the Mother
Full date of Baptism
The name of the Minister who performed the Baptism
The Baptism roll number in the register
Ordering Copies of the original Entries :
Please contact us with the details of the baptism in question. We will supply you with an official transcript of the certificate via email for a fee of $17.50. If you would prefer to receive a print out of the transcript we will discuss postage costs with you.
Signal
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Hi Ivan Fiveash is my Grandmother uncle she lots of information if your still interested she is also based in Dunedin