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I think this is the last incomplete bit of my wife's ancestral chart that I have not thrown open to this most informative forum - so here goes.
I have unconfirmed information one of Wendy's ancestors was an Elizabeth Taylor (great name for an ancestor) - born 18-Dec-1819 Launceston, Tasmania.
Elizabeth's parents were Thomas Taylor and Mary Smith (both from England??).
Thomas Taylor b. around 1790, England??
d. 12-Sep-1824, Launceston, Tasmania
m. Mary Thomas (nee Smith) 1820 Launceston, Tas.
Mary Smith b. around 1790 or 1800, England??
d. 1830, Launceston or 1868, Emu Bay, Tas??
m. ?? to someone Thomas prior to marriage to Thomas Taylor
Their daughter, Elizabeth, apparently married Edward Thomas 3-Nov-1834 (only 15 years old at the time??). Her husband, Edward, apparently died 11-Aug-1837 Longford, Tas. leaving Elizabeth as a young widow. Not sure if there were any children. She then married William Woodward 15-Mar-1838. William was apparently born around 1800 Yorkshire, England (closer to Elizabeth's parents generation??) and died 12-Feb 1881 Emu Bay, Tas. There were children of this marriage of whom, Hannah, b. 16-Sep-1843 Horton. Tas. is our interest.
What I am wondering is whether anyone can confirm or disprove any of the above information. I am not even sure where it came from. It would also be interesting to find out more about the backgrounds of Thomas Taylor, Mary Smith and William Woodward. How and when did they get to Australia? Obviously, we are back in the very early years of Tasmania here, so don't know how much can be tracked. Also names like Mary Smith don't help!
Brendan
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Brendan,
Can't help you with much but in the 1867-68 Tasmanian Directory under Alphabetical EMU BAY DIVISION an Edward Woodward is listed as a farmer, New Country.
The January 15th 1861 Hobart Town Gazette shows that an Edward Woodward was the propritor and occupier of farms 54 & 64 comprising 65 acres at New Country.
Ditto for December 14th 1880.
Regards
Gerry
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This list of children does appear on the Tas BDM indexes (FamilyLinks is sometimes incorrect)
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=282143
William and Maria registered at Launceston, mother's surname THOMAS.
The unnamed children and Cornelius registered at Horton, mother's surname TAYLOR.
Ruth, Frank and Rachel registered at Emu Bay, mother's surname TAYLOR.
The only way to find the names of the unnamed children is to access the baptism registers which are held at Tas Archives. I do see a tree on Ancestry which has Hannah born 16 Sep 1843 and baptised 16 Oct 1844, so I would say that the church registers are the source of their information. The other missing names are:
1845 Mary Ann
1847 George
1849 Harriett
1851 Eliza
1855 Ada
There is also an Emma, no record of birth around 1839, who died in 1854 at Horton.
There is no marriage for William WOOWARD to Elizabeth THOMAS/TAYLOR in 1838, but there is a marriage at Emu Bay on 15 March 1869 - the groom is aged 69 and the bride is aged 51 (Elizabeth THOMAS). This marriage entry should state whether Elizabeth was a widow. Perhaps one of them was not free to marry earlier.
The William WOODWARD who died at Emu Bay in 1881 was aged 79. He died on 17 Feb, not 12 Feb, and the death registration states this date. He fell from a horse and an inquest was held, perhaps the inquest details might give some family information http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=Q&id=6671
There is an administration of the estate of a William WOODWARD, wife Elizabeth in 1884. This document says that he died on or about 18 Feb 1882 at Emu Bay. I think it is probably your William, I cannot see another dying anywhere around that time.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=9
Debra :D
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I can only see one child to Edward THOMAS and Elizabeth, and that is Ellen born 7 April 1837 at Longford.
Some info on Cornelius WOODWARD, possible brother of Hannah
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/68234891?searchTerm=cornelius%20woodward&searchLimits=
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/68823196?searchTerm=cornelius%20woodward&searchLimits=
Debra :D
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Thanks for the information - you people sure know where to seek out this stuff!
Looking further through all the pages (and pages) of notes and jottings I have found more stuff on the children of Elizabeth Woodward (Thomas nee Taylor).
Elizabeth Taylor b. 20-Dec-1819 Launceston, Tasmania
d. 13-May-1886 Ulverstone, Tasmania
1st marriage to Edward Thomas 3-Nov-1834
Children Charles Edward Thomas 1835 - 1925
Ellen Thomas 1837 - 1915
Husband Edward was born 1804 Birmingham, England and died 11-Aug-1837 Longford, Tas. He arrived in Australia around 1821.
2nd marriage to William Woodward 15-Mar-1869
Children William Woodward 1838 - 1838
Emma Woodward 1839 - 1854
Maria Woodward 1841 - ??
Hannah Woodward 1843 - 1876
Mary Ann Woodward 1845 - 1885
George Woodward 1847 - 1927
Harriet Woodward 1849 - 1922
F Woodward 1850 - ??
Cornelius Woodward 1853 - 1941
F Woodward 1855 - ??
Ruth Woodward 1858 - 1918
Frank Samuel Woodward 1859 - 1941
Rachel Woodward 1861 - 1934
Husband William was born around 1800 Yorkshire, England and died 12-Feb-1881 Emu Bay, Tas. (looks like this should be 17 Feb) Time of arrival in Australia unknown.
Also found the attached document - again source unknown.
Seems like this all fits reasonably well with additional information from forum members. Not sure why the second marriage should be in 1869, long after all children were born. It would seem that Elizabeth was free to marry but status of William is not known.
Still no closer to finding out about the arrival of Elizabeth's parents, Thomas Taylor and Mary Smith - were they a couple of convicts?
Brendan
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The census entry from 1843 states that Elizabeth was not born in the colony, but arrived free.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=10
Was Thomas TAYLOR the one who was executed for murder in 1824?
Debra :D
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Immigration of an Elizabeth Taylor:
TAYLOR ELIZABETH
Date: 06/09/1832
Place: LONDON to HOBART TOWN
Ship to Tas: PRINCESS ROYAL
Category: IMMIGRANT/PASSENGER
Reel: I5-4
Section: CUS 30/1
Frame: P136
Film: SLTX/AO/EP/447
You would need to consult the TAS Archives to view this microfilm to see if there is any further information.
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Berndan
Did your Hannah Woodward m. John Lapham ??
I know it is not what you were asking for but may be of interest.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/67612811?searchTerm=hannah woodward&searchLimits=l-title=Advocate+%28Burni...%7Ctitleid%3A46 :)
lorraine
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Yes she did! .... and I have that article, but thanks for your input.
John Lapham was my wife's g-g-grandfather. His son, George, tragically killed in a mining accident, was my wife's g-grandfather.
Reading the other posts, I now have to find out which Elizabeth Taylor was Hannah's mother, the one I thought, born in Launceston, or the one who arrived as a free settler in 1832.
Or are they the same person, and my original information incorrect?
Back to the drawing board.....
Brendan
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and this one on woodwards
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/67766525?searchTerm=william woodward&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||fromdd|||frommm|||fromyyyy|||todd|||tomm|||toyyyy|||l-title=%7C46|||l-title=%7C23|||l-title=%7C116|||l-title=%7C74|||l-title=%7C170|||l-title=%7C115|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||sortby
Lorraine
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That is a great find Lorraine - so much information.
Going back to the 1843 census, William describes himself as an "other free person", which means that he was an ex convict. The only one that I can see who was in the colony by 1838 was transported on the Prince Regent in 1830. Tried in Yorkshire, born c1808, native of "near Chesterfield, Derby."
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-45,376,334,L,80
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON18-1-10,252,246,L,80
Second description record (CON23/1/3) is at W977 to 1005 after you click on "view this record online"
Debra :D
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Ahh..... Thank you so much.
This is new information to me.
Australian Royalty as Jack Thompson would say.
So to summarize, in the 1843 census, William describes himself as an "other free person" and Elizabeth is described as having arrived in the colony as a free settler. By 1843, their family should have consisted of 4 or 5 children; 2 from Elizabeth's first marriage to Edward Thomas and 2 or 3 from her second "marriage" to William (Hannah was born in 1843, so may or may not have been around at the time).
Still puzzling that the marriage of William and Elizabeth appears not to have occurred until 1869.
On another matter, does this 1843 census information have anything about my other Tasmanian mystery, Thomas Howell and Margaret Wallace? This is the subject of another topic, so I will post the same query over there.
Brendan
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Whoops....sorry about that.
The 1843 census is much too early for Thomas Howell and Margaret Wallace of Port Sorell. They started having children around 1867.
Brendan
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Further to the above, I have found this entry from a passenger list for the Princess Royal arrived Hobart 6 Sep 1832. This would seem to be someone too old to be our Elizabeth...
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~austas/princeroyal.htm
TAILOR Elizabeth 30 From the London Female Penitentiary, Pentonville
If we believe her age as 51 on her belated marriage to William Woodward in 1869, then her year of birth is around 1818.
Brendan
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Have been looking at your exchanges about Elizabeth Taylor and might have some new information about her first husband, Edward Thomas.
Edward was born in Birmingham in 1804 and at the age of 17 was convicted at the Stafford Assizes on 15 March 1821 to transportation for life.
He came to Tasmania (Van Diemens Land, then) aboard the ship Claudine which left Woolwich 20 August 1821 and arrived Derwent (Captain John Crabtree) 15 December 1821.
He was described as being a Silver Plate and Wire worker, height 5ft 5-1/4 inches tall with hazel eyes and brown hair. On arrival he was placed in employment with a Benjamin Jones.
So, he'd been in the colony for 13 years by the time he married Elizabeth. Seems to have been a bit of a cradle snatcher ;=}
Cheers
Ted
Have now found that this is incorrect. This person was still living after the death of the correct Edward Thomas. Sorry for false information.
cheers
Ted
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I've been reading this thread with interest as i can also trace my family back to Elizabeth Taylor. I'm descendent from Charles Edward Thomas from her 1st marriage.
My best guess based on information i have seen is that Edward Thomas was the convict that arrived on Claudine and he died 1837 (his death certificate says he has a ticket of leave and his age are consistent with this convict). I did explore the other Edward Thomas possibilities, but they dont seem to fit with the information available. If anyone has further information to disprove this i would be very interested in it.
Shelly
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Edward's conduct record certainly has no entries after July 1837, however I am surprised that if he did die there is no notation of this. The final word seems to be "Run" as in absconded.
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-42,190,62,L,80
There is also no permission to marry appearing on the indexes, but I do know that they are not complete. Have you seen the entry from the church register, and does it say that they were married with permission of the Governor?
Debra :)
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The only other Edward THOMAS who was transported prior to 1837 was this one, and his record extends to at least 1847
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-42,190,73,L,80
Debra :)
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I have a transcribed copy of the marriage certificate for Edward Thomas and Elizabeth Taylor. It states "Married according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England by Banns with consent of the Government" (having trouble attaching file). I was also puzzled that there is no death notation, but i wasn't sure if this was kept in separate record (being somewhat unfamiliar with the records)
The other Edward Thomas that arrived on the Prince of Orange also got sent to Port Arthur c1833 onwards (from memory, i do have the print outs).
I've also searched the convict applications to be married and haven't found anything, but i wasn't sure about the completeness of the records, especially the online records.
At one stage i was also looking at Henry Thomas, as that is the name listed on Charles Edward Thomas birth certificate. Again, the convict records for Henry dont really seem to match with any of the information.
Shelly
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Just to confirm, the Edward Thomas from the convict ship Claudine died 8 Aug 1837. The pre-1900 Tas bdm microfilm copies shows his death date and the ship name. The transcribed copy of this death from the registrars office omits this important piece of information.
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Hi I am new here; I'm married to a Woodward a descendant of William [b-abt-1802]... William's earlier history is quiet well documented as you see in the following... As he and Elizabeth became Pioneers of Emu Bay they lived in the bush and religion was not obvious, as they did not officially marry until after the birth of their last child… Likewise some of the second and third generations are murky, as in who married who is proving difficult in some of the families… I do have a lot of data should anyone be interested in developing the Woodward family further… Regards: Peter P
William Woodward [born around 1802]: was transported to Hobart in 1830 on the vessel "Prince Regent" [Ihave copies of the "conduct register"]. He had been a ploughman in York, near Chesterfield in England. William, convicted in Yorkshire in 1828 for stealing a watch from a N.P. Mecer of Chesterfield Derby, was sentenced to seven years in Van Diemen's Land. In Hobart, William was assigned as a labourer to a Mr. Cook, whom he remained with for several years. Receiving a pardon and "ticket of leave" [free by servitude] on the 22nd October 1835 thereafter William was a free man.
We guess that toward the end of 1837 early 1838 an association started with Elizabeth.
Elizabeth Thomas had been recently widowed with two children, Charles Edward born in 1835, and Ellen born 7th April 1837. Earlier [3rd of November 1834] Elizabeth had married an Edward Thomas, he died in 1837 a daughter to their marriage, Ellen, was just a few months old. We have found that Ellen did use her stepfather's name because she signed as Ellen Woodward as witness at her 1/2 sisters Maria's wedding, but eventually marries as Ellen Thomas. Her brother likewise held his name as Charles Edward Thomas when he married.
William & Elizabeth are to have 13 children of their own, the first [William] born in 1838 lives only a couple of months, the last [Rachel] is born in 1861. Late 1841 early 1842, with Edwards children and now two of their own, this family leaves the Launceston area and move on to Horton [Emu Bay - now Burnie] where William is employed by the Van Diemen's Land Co [V.D.L.Co].
After 32 years together raising a very large family, William and Elizabeth eventually get married, this on the 15th March 1869, [aged 69 and 51], quite an acknowledgement of a good life, well lived. Witnesses to the marriage were Ellen Sutton and John Edwards Rouse, and the registrar is George Rouse.
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Hi Brendan, I think it was you that I contacted a few days ago about Thomas Howell & Margaret Wallace. It seems that we may almost fairly closely related. The same George Lapham & his fiesty wife Jemima were my g.g. grandparents. Their daughter Emma married Bernard Lapham & thier eldest, Ada Emma was my mother's mother. It would be very interesting for me to know where you fit into the family. I am in Tas at the moment hoping to walk in their footsteps. Heading down to Queenstown next week.
Cheers,
Cris
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I am descended from Elizabeth and William Woodward and have more information on this family. If you would like to email me - jbabara@optusnet.com.au with your email address I can forward the information to you. I can confirm what you have and can provide quite a bit more. Barbara. The email address is definitely jbabara not jbarbara.