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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Leitrim => Topic started by: Stephen Smith on Tuesday 27 December 11 14:21 GMT (UK)
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I am a direct descendent of James O'Hagan who was my great great grandfather. My grandmother was Josephine Agnes O'Hagan who lived in Liverpool. Does anybody have any data going back beyond James?
Stephen Smith
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Hello Stephen -welcome to Rootschat.
Is your James the same person as here? (from Mullindarragh)
Earlier thread re O'Hagan (Mullindarragh) http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,141508.0.html
If so, you have all information from James onwards - so do you have dates for James and where have you already searched?
thanks
heywood
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I have James O'Hagen born 1840 in Mullinadargh married to Catherine Brady. He died Oct 1879 in Cheshire probably Birkenhead. No other data. I think his son was Edward Francis O'Hagan definitely my great grandfather as my grandmother was Josephine Agnes O'Hagan one of his daughters to Susannah Smyth who died of aloholism in 7th Nov 1910 in Birkenhead. Cannot make much headway on the Irish side nor when they came to England. Fascinated to get more information. We have quite a bit on Edward. Best wishes, Stephen Smith
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Where was Edward born?
Hopefully ozlady will be able to help. even though this enquiry is quite old now, she seems to still be in touch on rootschat.
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We think Mullinadaragh in about 1856?
Steve
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Is your Edward married to Annie in 1891 and listed as Terence E in 1901?
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Hello again,
I have been looking at some trees online and I think there may be two families here who have been mixed up.
heywood
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Hi,
Yes I think so. Yes James O'Hagan and Edward Francis O'Hagan are missing from the 1901and 1911 census. My grandmother Josephine Agnes O'Hagan is also missing from the 1911 census. Are they two trees or did he change his name to Terence O'Hagan? I certainly have the name change and if they are of two different families then what a surprise. We have no family history of my grandmothers family so something seems to have happened!!
Steve
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Hello again,
it is all very difficult because of the O'Hagan/Hagan plus spellings and transcriptions and the missing people in 1901. However, I will try to outline what I think is the case.
I also think that 1911 census is perhaps crucial to your enquiries.
Do you have a published tree or access to those trees with the family information?
FREE BMD
1883 Marriage- Terence Edward O'Hagan and Annie McQuade
1891 Edward, Annie and Annie S O'Hagan -Birkenhead
1901 Terence E O'Hagan, Anne and several children in West Derby
I think it is this Annie who dies in 1910.
1911 free indexes shows Terence Ohagan in Birkenhead
You need to access the 1911 census if you wish to find out about Terence and his family. I do not think they are your family.
1901 is a problem- I can't see anyone of your Edward O'Hagan family
Free BMD
Marriage 1903 Edward Francis Hagan and Annie Smythe Liverpool
Birth 1901 Josephine O'Hagan Birkenhead
1911 free index has a Josephine Hagan 9 yrs in Birkenhead
Using the 'other persons in household' search there is an Edward F, 41 yrs
Again you need to look for this family in 1911 to see other children and places of birth to check your family.
The ages of Terence and Edward are not the same and looking at their families, there are different children.
Do you have any of the marriage certificates of Edward Francis?
I hope you can follow this. The names are important and 1911 will be vital to you.
regards
heywood
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Hi my name is Penny, I think i am related to Josephine O'Hagan, my Grandmother. Did she have twin boys in 1943 named John and Sidney Hills? Sidney is my father, but I never knew him. If she did then I have the right o'Hagans. i am from Wallasey, Cheshire.
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In 1901 Census, Ireland, James and Catherine O'Hagan are at Mullinadarragha with sons Patrick and John. In 1911, they;re still there with son John, daughter-in-law Mary and grandchildren Katie and Mary A. They are listed on this census as Hagan. The other son, Patrick, has married Anna Maria Reilly and moved to Drumderglin and he too is listed as Hagan. I'm afraid I don't have much more than that. There's a bit of a mix-up somewhere as James and Catherine (nee Brady) are alive in 1911.
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The link is
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Carrigallen_West/Mullanadarragh/658400/
saves other people's time having to go looking for it.
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Message to Ozlady, can you please check your private messages. We have been having problems notifying you of new replies to your posts.
Regards
Sarah :)
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I think there has been a mix up with an Edward Francis O'Hagan and a Terrence Edward O'Hagan, both spent time in Liverpool. I think James and Catherine are the parents of Terrence. From my research there is no sign of Edward Francis, (Josephine's father) in the 1901 census, I have Josephine's birth cert. which shows she wasn't born until Sept. 1901 after the 1901 census was taken, but the family are there in 1911 living in Cheshire, Edward, his wife Annie and 3 children including Josephine. The 1911 census shows Edward O'Hagan was born in Salford, Manchester in 1870. The 1871 census shows Edward aged 0 in Port of Glasgow, (named spelt 'Hagen') with his older brother, 2 sisters and his mother and father named James and Ellen. In 1881 the census show the family are now in Dorset and it shows James and Ellen had another child in 1877 born in Ireland, as the rest of family are, apart from Edward who was born in Manchester. I think there is a possibility that our James O'Hagan who was married to Ellen where from County Armagh. There is birth certs on Find My Past matching all of Edward's brothers and sisters and a death cert for James in County Armagh, but I am not 100% sure. My next step is to apply to Salford for Edward's birth cert.
I think Stephen who posted on here, who appears to be my cousin has two families mixed up.
Thank you for your reply. Once I receive conformation of Edward's parents I will come and post the info.