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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: junie43 on Wednesday 04 January 12 02:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi out there does anyone know the genealogy of Rob Roy McGregor, my family has always told me that we are descendants of his I live in Australia and some of my ancestors came from Northern Ireland but were originally from Scotland, i believe their moving to Co Tyrone, Nth Ireland is connected to the linen and flax trade. Is there some way of tracing his ancestors eg whom did he marry and where, how many children did he have and what are their names etc. As he is a large part of Scottish history there must be info somewhere. In anticipation many thanks for any help.
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There is quite a bit on him on the web :-
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?1161
http://hal_macgregor.tripod.com/gregor/tree.html
http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/robroy.html
http://www.rampantscotland.com/famous/blfamrobroy.htm
http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I23877&tree=CC
And there's more, with individuals all over the world claiming to be direct decendants.
Regards
Malky
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Junie43 with regard to your family tree you can only go on the records that are available
What is the earliest name, date and place that you have confirmed for your ancestors?
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Hi Junie
This is a photo I took of Rob Roy McGregor's Grave also a plan of the churchyard,
I took while there last year
Sybil
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Hi junie,whether your family story is true or not I don't know but after 1603 many McGregors changed their name as it became an offence to even bear that name.I imagine many also fled elsewhere.Rob Roy emerges about this time and even he used the surname Campbell at one time,ironically the name of one of his clan's enemies.
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Wasn't his mother Margaret Campbell.
Regards
Malky
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Yes his mother was Margaret Campbell, Malky
Sybil
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You might find this of interest http://www.incallander.co.uk/rob_roy.htm
Sybil
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And there's more, with individuals all over the world claiming to be direct decendants.
Regards
Malky
Apparently Robin Hall (from the folk duo Robin Hall and Jimmie Macgregor) also claimed to be a direct descendant.
http://www.allcelticmusic.com/artists/Robin%20Hall.html
Jim
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I recall the statue of Rob Roy being erected in Stirling and my shock on seeing that it made him look dwarfish.
I also recall that there was much debating in the council chambers as to where it should be sited.
Rob Roy had been banned from entering Stirling and so the Statue as erected just outside the old town wall.
Cheers.
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hey guys thanks for all the info i will follow it all up, maybe my ancestor was a sibling of rob roy mcgregor, does anyone know the names etc of any siblings.
I know that my mother and aunts had kilts made in the mcgregor tartan in australia
Cheers June
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...he used the surname Campbell at one time...
The "Testament Dative and Inventory" linked to on a page Malky posted in reply #1 shows that he was using the surname Campbell at that time:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/images/famousscots/rob_roy_page1.htm
...does anyone know the names etc of any siblings...
Another site linked to by Malky in reply #1 has Rob Roy's genealogy, including siblings:
http://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getperson.php?personID=I8337&tree=CC
Cheers
Prue
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Hi all many thanks for all the info on reflection i think the connection is through the siblings of Rob Roy not the man himself.
Cheers June
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As their name was proscribed, the MacGregors had to use another for legal purposes, ie a bill, deed or will, often their landlord. The MacGregors suffered at the hands of the Breadalbane Campbell's but Rob Roy was on good terms with Argyll, both had a common enemy in Montrose.
Skoosh.
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I believe some prominent McGregors changed their name to 'Stirling'
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Ok guys then i now look for Campbell's and Stirlings. Does anyone know if any of the families emigrated/moved to Northern Ireland namely County Tyrone
Cheers Junie
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There was a MacGregor conference in Perthshire, during the proscription, which lasted several days, to decide whether to adopt the name of Grant due to their common ancestry in the Clan Alpin, and many kindnesses between them. This was agreed, and that a former MacGregor would be chief of the whole name. When word came to Castle Grant the laird was apoplectic, the very notion of some raggedy arsed MacGregor setting foot before the Laird of Grant, and the notion was dropped.
The Stewarts in exile referred to the Laird of Grant, who they failed to win over, as his Highland Majesty.
Skoosh.
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Hi Skoosh how fantastic i had a giggle over this info, keep it coming guys makes great reading.
Cheers June
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Hi Chatters,
I'm helping a friend who has an old letter that references Rob Roy MacGregor, but darned if I can make the connection to him. I'd really appreciate some help please. ;)
The letter:
The parents of the four Ferguson brothers (who came to Canada at various times between 1816 - 1818) were Duncan and Margaret - her mother being a Mcgregor and descended from Rob Roy - his granddaughter, perhaps. When her four sons prepared to leave Scotland she chose as means of binding them to each other and to her a copper kettle which had belonged to their forebear Rob Roy: to one she gave the spout, to one the handle, to one the lid, and to one the pot.
How does Margaret MacGregor connect to Rob Roy? ??? I've been going through Rob Roy's MANY children, but I haven't found a daughter or a grand daughter named Margaret that fits the one below.
Here is what I have:
Duncan Donald Ferguson
Birth abt 1739 in Balquhidder, Perthshire, Scotland
Death 1784 in Balquhidder, Perthshire, Scotland
m 14 Nov 1761
Margaret McGrigor or MacGregor
Birth abt 1739 in Port of Monteith, Perthshire, Scotland
Death bef Jun 1774 in Scotland
I'm beginning to question the validity of the story as I can't find an obvious link to Rob Roy & because the paragraph implies that Margaret was mother to all 4 boys who came to Canada (Patrick "Peter", Alexander, Duncan, John), but in reality Margaret was dead when they came & was mother to only the eldest Patrick "Peter" Ferguson; the other three were from Donald Duncan Ferguson's second wife, Helen Stewart 1754-1820 who he married 18 Jun 1774.
I'd really appreciate a second set of eyes and/or your opinions. :) Thanks in advance for your assistance.
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Junie43 with regard to your family tree you can only go on the records that are available
What is the earliest name, date and place that you have confirmed for your ancestors?
Hi
Rather than the next step being to look randomly for Campbells and Stirlings or any other name that may or may not have been linked with Rob Roy the only way to proceed with any hope of progress is to follow Sancti's advice.
Imber
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Hi Junie43,
I also have grown up being told that we are descended from Rob Roy. My grandfather was Sydney Gregory and lived all his life in Sheffield. He walked around graves, there and Scotland tracing the family back to Rob. I am now trying to get what he did "on paper" for my mother who is still alive. My parents emigrated to Aus in the 50's and I now live in NZ.
Through Ancestry I have got back to the early 1800s. But there the definite trail seems to go cold.
I don't think this will help your search but I wanted to make contact with you as we are both down-under. Megpter
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It amazes me the amount of people who are told or "claim" to be descended/related to people such as "Rob Roy/William Wallace/Flora MacDonald/Robert Burns" etc.
I was told at school we all descend from Adam & Eve & in one of my lines as far back as I can get, I have a Mary & Joseph.
My problem is, I don't know what the surname of either Mary or Joseph were i.e. I don't know if I'm descended from them ??? ::) ;D
Annie
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Is it no Christ, Rosinish?
Skoosh.
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Is it no Christ, Rosinish?
Skoosh.
::) ::)
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Through Ancestry I have got back to the early 1800s.
Whatever you do, do not believe anything you find online, and especially on Ancestry, other than an image of an original document.
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
There are, no doubt, many trees online, even on Ancestry, which are meticulously researched. Sadly, there are also many that are at best wishful thinking and at worst complete garbage.
Use published trees as a pointer to your own research, and make sure that you have adequate proof at every stage.
And never assume that the only candidate you can find in the surviving records has to be the right person. There are many people whose baptism and marriage records have simpy not survived.
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Thank You Forfarian , for confirming our thoughts about Ancestry. We have original certificates from my mother back to 1880, and evidence from that to get my g grandfather wedding. waiting for GRO to send a possible birth to move on.
But found a "tree" on ancestry that had diff parents for my g grandparents than I had on my g fathers birth cert given by my mother!
I do still want to find what my g father walked to find.
Optimistic Marg
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Thank You Forfarian , for confirming our thoughts about Ancestry. We have original certificates from my mother back to 1880, and evidence from that to get my g grandfather wedding. waiting for GRO to send a possible birth to move on.
But found a "tree" on ancestry that had diff parents for my g grandparents than I had on my g fathers birth cert given by my mother!
I do still want to find what my g father walked to find.
Optimistic Marg
You don't need to go through GRO for records that far back, you can view them online
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Keep optimistic Marg and...welcome to RootsChat :)
Sounds like you are taking it step by step in your research. If you want to add some details (names places dates) of where you are up to and have been able to verify, people can try to help. You may want to push backwards yourself too and do the research by yourself which is also good. If you need some help or support, just say ;)
Monica
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You don't need to go through GRO for records that far back, you can view them online
I assumed Marg was referring to the GRO (General Register Office for England and Wales) rather than GROS (General Register Office for Scotland).
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Is it no Christ, Rosinish?
Skoosh.
Haha Skoosh ;D
I'd heard before of someone connected to whoever it was at the time (possibly Rob Roy)?, did some research for the cousin who'd been given that information (no paperwork shown) only to discover that the supposed descendant was actually illegitimate with no father's name.
I told them they couldn't prove it without knowing who the father was (in order to proceed) & the reply was "but you can't prove he wasn't a descendant" ::)
Of course now with DNA they could prove/disprove the theory.
Not too sure what I would have thought if told I was descended or related to such folk?
From my early days of interest in genealogy, I did know you need to work backwards, up the ladder not from the top down :P
I think that would be a good bit harder than the correct route which can be more than difficult enough at times ???
Annie
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Annie, a couple of kind Americans paid for my DNA test, not that it did them much good or me, but interesting nevertheless. The result was the "Niall of the Nine Hostages" group which was a bit of a surprise. Mebbes an Irish coal-man in the dim & distant n free coal-briquettes? ;D
Skoosh.
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"You don't need to go through GRO for records that far back, you can view them online "
Where? please. I can only find number references mostly.
And yes I did mean English GRO as we are still near Sheffield, I think. Marg
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"You don't need to go through GRO for records that far back, you can view them online "
Where? please. I can only find number references mostly.
And yes I did mean English GRO as we are still near Sheffield, I think. Marg
No, you can't view GRO certificates online. You have to order them by post, currently £9.25 each.
You can view GROS ones online, currently £1.50 per certificate.
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thank you all for your help. Will keep researching - when we have dealt with last nights quake!
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Hi . MonicaL offered help and we are now stuck so would appreciate any help, even of help in where to look. We are trying to follow my grandfather Sydney Gregory's (born 10 Apr 1880 Hillsbro Tce Ecclesfield) male line back to Rob Roy as Sydney did on foot. His father was Walter Gregory (born7 jun 1844 sprout Stannington) His father was John Gregory and mother Elizabeth Peters. We have birth and marriage certificates for all these. John and Elizabeth were married feb 20 1842 in Rotherham. John's father was George Gregory, cutler. Elizabeth's father was John Peters who we found living in Rotherham in the 1841 census; which could explain how they met.
That is all we know for sure.
Any help would be welcome and thanks to all. Marg