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Title: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Wednesday 11 May 05 19:37 BST (UK)
What can I do to get an old photograph out of a frame when the front of it is stuck on the glass?  It has been hanging in a very humid place for the past 40 or so years.  I hope someone can help!
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Hackstaple on Wednesday 11 May 05 19:59 BST (UK)
Soak the photo and glass together in clean water with a few dops of dishwashing detergent. It is more likely to be stuck by capillary attraction [some damp, 2 smooth surfaces] than by any adhesive action. The dishwasher will lower the surface tension and hopefully they will separate. Then lay the photo face up on newspaper and put some clean paper towelling on top.
If it doesn't work I shall deny everything 8)
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Wednesday 11 May 05 23:14 BST (UK)
Do you think it will work on a photo printed as a postcard?
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: deadants on Wednesday 11 May 05 23:26 BST (UK)
Hi Flyn,
   This very topic has been discussed at RetouchPRO http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1664

The general opinion is to scan the photo through the glass first, just in case something goes wrong in the removal process.
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: trystan on Wednesday 11 May 05 23:34 BST (UK)
I agree with Deadants!

As long as you allow the photograph to soak overnight, it should come off very easily - just resist tempation to rush it.

When drying it, you will need to make sure it doesn't curl - and any cloths that you use need to be lint free. To stop it form curling you can place a few little things on the edge of the photograph. Allow it to dry out for a goof few hours before handling it - incase you scratch the emulsion.

Trystan
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Wednesday 11 May 05 23:41 BST (UK)
Thank you so very much for your link, deadants. I will be trying the soaking suggestions soon. One question has come to mind after reading some of the information, though... how do I know whether my photo is suffering from mold?
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Hackstaple on Wednesday 11 May 05 23:44 BST (UK)
Never, never, dry a wetted print with any form of dryer. Oddly, and I handle many hundreds of cleaned prints and maps that have been wetted, they dry flatter by simply hanging up with a plastic peg. But you must first blot off surplus water. as I indicated.
I have found this method better than using a photographic drum dryer - in fact I scarpped mine a couple of years back.
Paper is a lot tougher than you may think and high quality papers do not disintegrate if wetted.
I read all that about Photflo - I suggested some washing up liquid as for this purpose it will do as well. The thread that Deadants posted confirms what I said about reducing surface tension to cause the photo to float clear of the glass. Just remember to have the glass underneath and the photo on top.
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Wednesday 11 May 05 23:50 BST (UK)
Thank you for pointing out the orientation of the glass/photo, hackstaple! I probably wouldn't have thought about it if you hadn't mentioned it. The water that I will be using to soak, should I start out with it being warm or will cold water be better?
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: deadants on Wednesday 11 May 05 23:54 BST (UK)
Can you scan it first before soaking? or is that going to be difficult?
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Wednesday 11 May 05 23:56 BST (UK)
I think I can scan it. The glass should fit onto my scanner. I wonder though, will the glass end up reflecting the light as it is being scanned?
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: deadants on Thursday 12 May 05 00:00 BST (UK)
There's only one way to find out. :D
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Thursday 12 May 05 00:06 BST (UK)
I'll let you all know how I get on when I get the chance to get scanning (unfortunately, my scanner isn't connected to this computer).
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: deadants on Thursday 12 May 05 00:08 BST (UK)
Well I just did a little experiment. Mine worked with the frame. It should work better without a frame.
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Thursday 12 May 05 00:19 BST (UK)
Thanks! It's great to have so many helpful and interested people to hand.
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: deadants on Thursday 12 May 05 00:27 BST (UK)
You've peaked our curiosty now. We will all be waiting to see how it works out. Maybe you could post your photo if it needs a bit of touching up.
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Thursday 12 May 05 00:31 BST (UK)
Hopefully, the photo won't need any touching up. I will, however, post the scan with glass and (if it works) scan without glass. I promise to fully document what I do to the photo and be completely honest with the results (even if it turns out disastrously).
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Jane Eden on Monday 23 May 05 01:08 BST (UK)
Flynn

What happened with the photo? Have you done it yet?

Jane
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Monday 23 May 05 22:15 BST (UK)
Sorry that I haven't got around to posting the results. I tried last weekend but I had some difficulty uploading the files onto this site. I need to rescan the finished product for posting here. However, let me tell you now how I got on: it was basically a success. Thank you all for your advice. I promise to get around to posting the scanned photo. Really.
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Jane Eden on Monday 23 May 05 22:36 BST (UK)
Well done. How exciting I can't wait! Aren't these Rootschat experts brilliant.

Jane
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Monday 23 May 05 22:46 BST (UK)
Absolutely, positively!!!!!!
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Jane Eden on Monday 23 May 05 23:41 BST (UK)
I am now going to try and restore photos and maybe even colour them. Deadants has sent me loads of links but having downloaded some of the software it looks really complicated. But as usual I won't be defeated. Roll on the weekend!

Jane
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: deadants on Tuesday 24 May 05 00:02 BST (UK)
it looks really complicated. But as usual I won't be defeated. Roll on the weekend!

That's the Spirit. What software are you going to use? Don't forget we are here to answer your questions.
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Jane Eden on Tuesday 24 May 05 00:14 BST (UK)
I've downloaded Ultimate paint  and Photoplus6. Are these the right ones? I had a go and made a total mess. Which bit of the photo do I do first? I tried the contrast and then the brightness. This seemed OK. Then I started messing around spraying the background and it looked worse than a 3 year olds effort at nursery. Sorry to all the 3 year olds.

The colours seem like primary and I haven't worked out yet how to do skin or pastels but its early days and if its difficult it will make me more determined to master it. The trouble is I'm not artistic although I do like watercolour painting but only of the things I can see. I have no imagination as I deal in facts (I am a scientist by trade).

Jane
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Tuesday 24 May 05 11:19 BST (UK)
hey! don't be so down on scientists. either you're not giving yourself enough credit in the imagination department or it's something other than being a scientist by trade. my sister is a scientist by trade and is unbelievably artistic and i'm a scientist by training and love being creative. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you're not giving yourself enough credit with your imagination (or maybe you're just not good with visualization but might be very good in other areas.) anyway, just needed to put my two cents in. i promise to get onto rescanning the photo and posting it soon.
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Flynn on Sunday 29 May 05 20:44 BST (UK)
again, HELP!!!! ??? i have been trying to attach the scan that i've made of the photo that i soaked off the glass but i can't get the file small enough to attach. what am i not doing that i should be doing? i've tried the help on the site but no mention of how to rectify my problem. i'm dying to share my success with NO success.
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: Jane Eden on Sunday 29 May 05 21:45 BST (UK)
Have you reduced the resolution to 72?

Jane
Title: Re: Old photo stuck on glass
Post by: deadants on Sunday 29 May 05 23:27 BST (UK)
again, HELP!!!! ??? i have been trying to attach the scan that i've made of the photo that i soaked off the glass but i can't get the file small enough to attach.

Hi Flyn,
  What graphics software are you using? You might want to download copy of infranview http://www.irfanview.com/  This will allow you to resize your photo to something more reasonale.