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Title: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: terngirl on Saturday 07 January 12 04:09 GMT (UK)
G'day folks

Hope someone can help me with finding the parents/siblings of my GGG Grandfather Thomas ROCHE b County Antrim Ireland. He was married to a Elizabeth MITCHELL who was also from the same era/place.

I have hit a brickwall and would appreciate any help.

Many thanks
Tern (Australia)  :-*
Title: Re: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 07 January 12 09:05 GMT (UK)
Are you sure it's County Antrim? (Roche is more common in other parts of Ireland) When did Thomas and his wife leave Ireland. Unfortunately, civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages started in 1864 (from 1845 for non-Catholic marriages) so before those dates you'd need to see if any church records survive but to do so you'd need to know both the family's religion and where they lived (parish if not actual townaland).

Have a look at Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) and My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html).
Title: Re: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: rathmore on Saturday 07 January 12 12:27 GMT (UK)
have a look at the census for 1901 and 1911 you might see a place in Antrim you have seen before

http://www.census.nationarchive.ie http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

http://familysearch.org www.familysearch.org
Title: Re: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: jimchelsea on Saturday 07 January 12 17:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Tern
was his DOB 1800 or did you mean 1800s?
Ancestry Ireland have a few records for Thomas Roches, born,1830,1838, 2 in 1846, and 2 in 1876,
as you may know this is a pay to view site.
regards
jim

http://www.ancestryireland.com/quis_advanced.php
Title: Re: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: terngirl on Sunday 08 January 12 01:23 GMT (UK)
Dear all - sorry for vagueness.

My GG Grandfather is Thomas ROCHE and was born abt 1833 in Belfast, County Antrim. He was married to an Elizabeth Betsy SMITH/WALKER same era and place.

They both migrated to Aust in 1852 and had a swag of children out here including my G Grandmother Martha ROCHE. She married an Alexander Stewart MALCOLM.

I believe Thomas's father was Thomas ROCHE born abt 1800 who was married to Elizabeth MITCHELL same era. Both have place listed as only County Antrim. Then again, I could be right up the wrong garden path.

Shall look into this further - any tips/help is most appreciated.

Cheers
Tern  ::)
Title: Re: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: terngirl on Sunday 08 January 12 01:26 GMT (UK)
Oh yes, and to my knowledge Thomas ROCHE senior did not migrate to Aust, only Thomas ROCHE Jnr.

Cheers
Tern  :o
Title: Re: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Friday 21 August 15 21:08 BST (UK)
I searched with only one possible lead for you in bold below, mostly there are too recent for you.
Some Belfast Roche
1852 from street directories http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk one year example only
Roche, Thomas, posting establishment, 16 Fountain Street

Roche, Patrick, grocer and provision store, 48 Cromac Street   
1860
Griffiths valuation for Shankill Parish Co Antrim
Roche   Darius       William's Lane
Roche   Frances A.    Joy Street
Roche   Patrick    Green Castle
Roche   Patrick J.    Tate's Ave
Roche   William    Old Lodge Road
Roche   William John    Great George's Street
Roche   William John    Donegall St. Pl.

Clifton st cemetery see http://www.cliftonstreetcemetery.com
LOT 41-42-43 ANDREWS
summarized,from. plus extra detail from the Registry
William John Roche b~1826 Belfast-d 1920 [ april 20 Belvedere Sans Souci aged 95m] Sarah Gibson Roche b~1826 Belfast d1906 at 1 Fortwilliam terrace
children ie only those buried with them
Alice Maria b Belfast Aged 7 years d 1861 at 36 st georgesSt
Samuel Gilston 6 weeks  aged b 2 Sandyscape Belfast both parents b in belfast
William Howard 17 years
Julia Florence 20 years

from http://www.ancestryireland.com
births with fathers first names
THOMAS   ROCHE   1830   THOMAS   Antrim
THOMAS   ROCHE   1838   MAURICE   Antrim
THOMAS   ROCHE   1846   PATRICK   Antrim
marriages with fathers first name
ROCHE   SUSAN   1877   THOMAS   Down
ROCHE   MARY ANNE   1887   THOMAS   Down

emerald ancestors
1878   Thomas ROCHE m Bridget XXXXXX Londonderry
1902   John Thomas XXXXxx m Elizabeth Georgina MITCHELL Belfast   Antrim   
BUT neither has a match under spouse
Title: Re: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Friday 21 August 15 21:12 BST (UK)
Oops I left out
1826  from http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/shankill-parish.php#.VdeFd0uDoYU
Mitchell, Townland : Lower Ballysillon Year: 1826

Mitchell, Rev. B. Townland : Lower Malone Year: 1826
no Roche entries found
Title: Re: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: blemdookie on Saturday 22 August 15 07:04 BST (UK)
Hi, these two records may help.

Birth:

Thomas Roche
baptised: 8 August 1830
St Patrick's, Belfast, Antrim
Roman Catholic
father: Thomas Roche
mother: E Mitchell

* I could find no other births to this couple


Marriage:

1862
place: Victoria, Australia
groom: Thomas Roche
bride: Elizabeth Walker

* a copy can be gotten from the online site for Victoria, Australia genealogy records.

Hope this helps, Kim
Title: Re: Help please to find parents/siblings of Thomas ROCHE b. 1800 County Antrim
Post by: WendyO on Saturday 02 December 17 09:22 GMT (UK)
Hello Tern,
I know this is an old post but I only just came across it. Thomas ROCHE and Elizabeth MITCHELL were also my 3 X grandparents. The two records in Kim's reply to you are correct. Thomas Jnr was baptised on 8 August 1830, St Patrick's, Belfast City, Down and Connor Diocese.

I am the G granddaughter of Elizabeth Anne Roche and Stephen Millar.
Cheers
Wendy