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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: lisalucie on Thursday 12 January 12 14:30 GMT (UK)
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Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am tracing my nans ancestors. Her great-grandparents were William Prosser and Minnie Carter who were married in Abergavenny. Have found Minnies family but am having trouble with Williams. They had 5 children in Abergavenny. Any 1 else after William Prosser, born Trevethin but lived Abergavenny up till 1901?
Thanks Lisa
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according to 1901 census william.r.prosser was born in chepstow abt 1866
there is this 1871 entry that could be him
1871
RG10/5294/93/31
william prosser age 34. b. chepstow. occ. lawyer or sawyer .head(marr)
edith prosser age 8. b. ditto. daughter
louisa prosser age 7. b. ditto. daughter
william prosser age 6. b. ditto. son
living at;1,nelson street,chepstow,monmouth
also living there is another family with a andrew prosser aged 69 and hannah prosser aged 66 possibly your williams grand parents
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occupation is sawyer
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do you want the censuses for what i believe is probably your williams father william prosser born abt 1837
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strangely enough on 1871,1881,1891 census william prosser always states he is married but his wife is never with him
cannot find him in 1901 but in 1911 he is down as widowed. he dies in 1912 in chepstow
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found him in 1901 he again states married but no wife with him
i think he may have married in 1861 in chepstow to either elizabeth johns or elizabeth white
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think i have found his wife in 1871
by this census record her marriage to william was her second marriage and it was elizabeth white he married
1871
RG10/5294/93/32
elizabeth prosser age 41. b. worle,somerset. occ. laundress. head(marr)
sarah white age 19. b. chepstow. occ. laundress. daughter
charles white age 14. b. chepstow. occ. factory boy. son
living at;8,nelson street,chepstow,monmouth(so living in the same street as her husband william who was living at 1,nelson street in 1871)
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i could follow both william and elizabeth in censuses if you want me to
just let me know
mick
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Hi wozzle... thank u loads for what u have found out...it would be great if u cud send me the census or anything...was great of u to look for me...it definately sounds like the right one. Also my nans grandmother was Edith Elizabeth Prosser and I see those two names cropped up in what u have found so its looking like its the same William.
Thanks again Lisa
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will begin with the 1841 census and then work forward
1841
HO107/745/5/9/10
andrew prosser age 35. occ. labourer.
hannah prosser age 35
ann prosser age 3
william prosser age 1
living at; thomas street,chepstow,monmouthshire
all born in county
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1851
HO107/2443/380/26
andrew prosser age 48. b. chepstow. occ. sawyer. head
hannah age 45. b. ditto. wife
william age 16. b. ditto. son
ann age 14. b. ditto. daughter
henry age 10. b. ditto. son
edith age 8. b. ditto. daughter
robert age 5. b. ditto. son
julia age 3. b. ditto. daughter
james price age 25. b. ditto. occ. painter. lodger
fanny price age 22. b. woolaston,gloucs. lodger
henry brown age 35. b. gloucs. occ. labourer. lodger
esther brown age 28. b. ditto. lodger
living at;lower church street,chepstow,monmouthshire
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1861
RG9/3976/42/5
andrew prosser age 57. b. chepstow. occ. labourer in timber yard. head
hannah age 56. b. chepstow. wife
william age 25. b. ditto. occ. sawyer, son
ann age 23. b. ditto. occ. labourer. daughter
henry age 20. b. ditto. occ. carter. son
julia age 13. b. ditto. daughter
living at ;lower nelson street,chepstow
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william marries later in 1861
will continue on tomorrow morning
off to work soon
mick
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:D Thanks loads!!! Am I right in thinking then that my Williams father (william born1840ish) married the lady called Elizabeth from Worle. The William and Hannah in the census from 1841 1851 and 1861 are my Williams grandparents???? Its getting late n my heads getting muddled lol.
I had thought that my Williams mother was called Elizabeth but was unsure.
Will greatly appreciate the other census returns when u free...thanks loads again,Lisa.
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:D Thanks loads!!! Am I right in thinking then that my Williams father (william born1840ish) married the lady called Elizabeth from Worle. The William and Hannah in the census from 1841 1851 and 1861 are my Williams grandparents???? Its getting late n my heads getting muddled lol.
I had thought that my Williams mother was called Elizabeth but was unsure.
Will greatly appreciate the other census returns when u free...thanks loads again,Lisa.
nearly right; your williams parents were william prosser born c 1835 in chepstow and elizabeth white born c 1830 in worle,somerset(that is her married name from her first marriage will see if i can find her maiden name when i have finished with the censuses)
your williams grandparents are andrew prosser born c 1803 in chepstow and hannah born c1806 in chepstow(will see if i can find her maiden name again after i have posted the censuses)
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i have already given you the 1871 census for william prosser born c 1835
and have given you the census 1871 of his wife elizabeth prosser
here is the 1881 census for william
1881
RG11/5219/90/40
william prosser age 46. b. chepstow. occ. sawyer. head(marr)
hannah haines age 33. b. tewkesbury,gloucs. occ. charwoman. housekeeper(unm)
living at;3,davis court,chepstow,monmouthshire
here is his wife in 1881
RG11/5219/60/45
elizabeth proosser age 51. b. worle,somerset. occ. laundress. head(mar)
william prosser age 16. b. chepstow. occ. factory boy. son
edith prosser age 10/18. b. ditto. daughter
henry morgan age 5. b. bristol. grandson
living at;8,orchard place,chepstow,monmouthshire
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1891
RG12/4336/56/49
william prosser age 56. b. chepstow. occ. general labourer. head(marr)
caroline burbridge age 42. b. lydbrook,gloucs(wid)
ada burbridge age 12. b. ditto.
living at;11,davis court,chepstow,monmouthshire
here is his wife in 1891
1891
RG12/4336/14/22
elizabeth prosser age 61. b. worle,somerset. occ. laundress. head(marr)
charles.e.white age 34. b. chepstow. occ. quarryman. son
edith prosser age 28. b. chepstow. occ. laundress. daughter
henry.j.morgan age 15. b. bristol. occ. labourer in iron works. grandson
living at;7,nelson street,chepstow,monmouthshire
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i have already given you the 1871 census for william prosser born c 1835
and have given you the census 1871 of his wife elizabeth prosser
here is the 1881 census for william
1881
RG11/5219/90/40
william prosser age 46. b. chepstow. occ. sawyer. head(marr)
hannah haines age 33. b. tewkesbury,gloucs. occ. charwoman. housekeeper(unm)
living at;3,davis court,chepstow,monmouthshire
here is his wife in 1881
RG11/5219/60/45
elizabeth proosser age 51. b. worle,somerset. occ. laundress. head(mar)
william prosser age 16. b. chepstow. occ. factory boy. son
edith prosser age 10/18. b. ditto. daughter
henry morgan age 5. b. bristol. grandson
living at;8,orchard place,chepstow,monmouthshire
so your william was with his father in 1871 but in 1881 he is with his mother
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1901
RG13/
william prosser age 65. b. chepstow. occ. sawyer. head(mar)
living at;2,welby place,lower church street,chepstow,monmouthshire
here is his wife in 1901
1901
RG13/4917/27/3
elizabeth prosser age 70. b. worle,somerset. head(widow)wonder why she has put widow down her husband is alive in 1901?
charles white age 44. b. chepstow. occ. quarryman. son
living at;7,nelson street,chepstow,monmouthshire
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your william parents william and elizabeth here i believe is their death index
name; elizabeth prosser
y.o.r. 1904
qtr;jul/aug/sept
dist; chepstow
vol;11a
page; 3
age at death; 73
est birth year; 1831
death index
name; william prosser
y.o.r. 1912
qtr;apr/may/jun
dist; chepstow
vol;11a
page; 7
age at death; 77
est birth year; 1835
and here is your williams grandparents death index
name; andrew prosser
y.o.r. 1873
qtr; oct/nov/dec
dist; chepstow
vol;11a
page; 6
age at death;71
est birth year; 1802
daeth index
bname; hannah prosser
y.o.r. 1883
qtr;jan/feb/mar
dist; chepstow
vol;11a
page; 10
age at death; 78
est birth year; 1805
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just one last census to post
william and elizabeth got married after the 1861 census
here is elizabeth before her marriage to william
1861
RG9/3976/74/14
elizabeth white age 31. b. worle,somerset. occ. laundress. head(wid)
sarah rebecca white age 9. b. chepstow. daughter
henry lovel white age 7. b. chepstow. son(wonder if lovel was elizabeths maiden name)
phebe ann white age 6. b. chepstow. son
charles edward white age 4. b. chepstow. son
living at;chepstow,monmouthshire
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found the marriage lovell was elizabeths maiden name
marriage index
name;reuben white
y.o.r. 1850
qtr;apr/may/jun
dist; chepstow
vol;26
page; 72
on the same page; elizabeth lovell
reuben white dies in 1857 in chepstow reg dist
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there are these very strong possibilities
in 1851 elizabeth lovell is in devon working as a servant
in 1841 she is in worle with her parents john/mary lovell
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Thank u so much Wozzle...this has been a great help...just need to get my head round it all now lol. I wonder why William and Elizabeth tended to live appart??? I thought that was uncommon then???
1 last favour to ask...hope Im not being too cheeky. My William married Minnie Carter (born 1870 in Abergavenny to James and Ellen Carter). They married in 1888 in Abergavenny and had 5 children,including my nans nan, Edith Elizabeth Prosser who was born in 1892. I have found the family on the 1901 census and Ive found Edith on the 1911 one. Now my nan says that her nan told her that her mom (Minnie) died when she was about ten. I know William and Minnies last child was born in 1901....but for the life of me I cannot find Minnies death. (I havent sent for any death certificates or anything but I cant see it on BMD or anything. Any ideas Wozzle?
I know they were Catholics so do u think thats why I cant find her death???
Thank u so much 4 ll your work...I cant wait to view it all properly!!!
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even if they are catholic the death should still be registered
i know this because throughout time my family has been catholic and the deaths of my ancestors were regd
anyway will have a look for you
mick
p.s. i could not find andrew and hannahs marriage
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do you know for certain that it was 1870 in abergavenny that she was born
there is no birth regd in abergavenny for a minnie carter between 1868-1872
could minnie have been a nickname
there is only one birth in abergavenny in 1870 with the surname carter
that is a edith rachel carter
p.s. according to the 1871 census minnie was born c 1869
there are 3 female carter births in the period 1868-1870 as well as edith rachel carter
they are sarah carter jul/aug/sept/1869
charlotte carter jul/aug/sept/1869
mary ann carter oct/nov/dec 1868
edith rachel is with her parents on 1871 so it is not her
charlotte died in 1871 so it is not her
mary ann carter is with her parents in 1871 so it is not her
i cannot find sarah carter in 1871 nor can i find a death for her but i cannot find a death in abergavenny between 1902-1911 for a sarah prosser
in fact the only female prosser death in abergavenny between 1910-1911 is annie prosser who died in 1904 aged 33 so born 1871
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so basically i cannot find a death of a minnie carter
sorry
off to bed now will be back online later today
mick
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Hi, on freebmd Minnie Carter married William Prosser March quarter 1888...registered as Abergavenny. On the census returns I have for her,her name is listed as Minnie so I always thought maybe this was short for something else but if its listed as Minnie on the marriage in BMD then am I right in thinking it must have been her proper name?
On her census returns Im sure it says she was born Abergavenny but they are on my other computer but will have a look in a bit too.
Thanks 4 ur help, Lisa.
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Lisa,
Ive been reading very intently! My Great Great grandfather was a William George Prosser.
I live in Cardiff but my Grampy (Clynton Prosser) is from Pontypool. His father, Clynton Dennis Prosser, is from Newport. His father again, (my great great grandfather), was William George Prosser also we believe to be born in Newport.
This is as far as i've got with my line of equiries. But I know the Prosser line started in Somerset and we've slowly moved west. I wonder if there could be a connection. I know we still have quite a large family down somerset way (I vaguely remember a family reunion some years ago).
Im sending off this weekend for my great great grandparents marriage certificate (she was a Maria Rees) so would be interesting to see!
Amie Prosser
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Hi Amie, would be great if there is a connection. Did u follow what was written above?
My Prossers seem to have been born in Chepstow,Monmouthshire since the early 1800s but I know from what Wozzle had told me above that 1 of my William Prossers married a lady from Worle in Somerset...so hopefully theres a connection there somewhere....let me know what u find out n we can see if we are linked.
My nans nan came to Wolverhampton from Abergavenny about 1912 and thats where all her siblings then followed her to, so I dont think any of that line are left in Wales...they all came here (am in Wton myself).
Great to hear from u, Lisa.
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Amie...meant to say maybe your Prosser line also came from Andrew and Hannah Prosser too...?
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It may do.
I know my great grandfather was born in Newport in 1914. That would put his father (my first William) being born sometime after 1885 at a guess.
Im wondering if the William Prosser on the 1881 census (the one aged 16) may have been my Williams father? It seems people settled really early in those days so it could be possible that within the next 5 years (up to 1886) he couldve become a dad. Would be great for me as would create a whole new part of my tree! Will definitely be doing some digging this weekend now!
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The William on the 1881 census aged 16 is my great-great grandfather.His children were all born Abergavenny Im afraid...of the top of my head there was William,Edith,adeline-may,alfred and wilfred I think...N they nearly all moved to Wolverhampton.
Your Prossers may come from either his father or his grandfather (William or Andrew)...???
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Maybe. I will keep digging. Though the more I look the more I'm realising Prosser isn't as uncommon as I've always thought it to have been!
But if my line does turn back to an Andrew and Hannah, I will definetly let u know!
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I hate to throw a spanner in the works but you said in your opening post that William Prosser was born in Trevethin. Is this not more likely to be him with parents thomas & Margaret (there is another William Prosser born 1865 in Chepstow)
1881
Thomas PROSSER 51 Crickhowell, Brecknock, Wales B Smith
Margaret PROSSER 37 Llandenny, Monmouth, England
Thomas PROSSER 17 Trevethin, Monmouth, England
William PROSSER 15 Trevethin, Monmouth, England
Ellen PROSSER 12 Newport, Monmouth, England Scholar
Census Place Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Do you have William & Minnie's marriage certificate to prove William's father's name. There are a lot of Prossers in the Abergavenny area. I have some in my family too
there is also a William b1870 in Trevethin parents William & Mary
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I hate to throw a spanner in the works but you said in your opening post that William Prosser was born in Trevethin. Is this not more likely to be him with parents thomas & Margaret (there is another William Prosser born 1865 in Chepstow)
1881
Thomas PROSSER 51 Crickhowell, Brecknock, Wales B Smith
Margaret PROSSER 37 Llandenny, Monmouth, England
Thomas PROSSER 17 Trevethin, Monmouth, England
William PROSSER 15 Trevethin, Monmouth, England
Ellen PROSSER 12 Newport, Monmouth, England Scholar
Census Place Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Do you have William & Minnie's marriage certificate to prove William's father's name. There are a lot of Prossers in the Abergavenny area. I have some in my family too
there is also a William b1870 in Trevethin parents William & Mary
you could be right ann
but here is william and minnie in 1901
1901
RG13/4929/13/17
william prosser age 35. b. chepstow. head
minnie age 30. b. abergavenny. wife
william charles prosser age 12. b. ditto. son
edith elizabeth prosser age 9. b. ditto. daughter
albert.v.prosser age 6. b. ditto. son
wilfred.j.prosser age 2. b. ditto. son
adeline.m.prosser age 4mnths. b. ditto. daughter
living at; abergavenny,monmouthshire
so on this census he does state born chepstow and also on 1911 states born chepstow
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I hate to throw a spanner in the works but you said in your opening post that William Prosser was born in Trevethin. Is this not more likely to be him with parents thomas & Margaret (there is another William Prosser born 1865 in Chepstow)
1881
Thomas PROSSER 51 Crickhowell, Brecknock, Wales B Smith
Margaret PROSSER 37 Llandenny, Monmouth, England
Thomas PROSSER 17 Trevethin, Monmouth, England
William PROSSER 15 Trevethin, Monmouth, England
Ellen PROSSER 12 Newport, Monmouth, England Scholar
Census Place Trevethin, Monmouth, Wales
Do you have William & Minnie's marriage certificate to prove William's father's name. There are a lot of Prossers in the Abergavenny area. I have some in my family too
there is also a William b1870 in Trevethin parents William & Mary
Hi lancsann, thanks for your post. I made a mistake in my origional post putting Trevethin, I knew it was chepstow but wrote trevethin for some reason :D. Sometimes the info I have got blurs into 1 and I get a bit confused lol....thanks anyway.
I wonder if my Prossers and yours in Abergavenny are related? William and Minnies children all moved to Wolverhampton eventually. Lisa.
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there is also a William b1870 in Trevethin parents William & Mary
you could be right ann
but here is william and minnie in 1901
1901
RG13/4929/13/17
william prosser age 35. b. chepstow. head
minnie age 30. b. abergavenny. wife
william charles prosser age 12. b. ditto. son
edith elizabeth prosser age 9. b. ditto. daughter
albert.v.prosser age 6. b. ditto. son
wilfred.j.prosser age 2. b. ditto. son
adeline.m.prosser age 4mnths. b. ditto. daughter
living at; abergavenny,monmouthshire
so on this census he does state born chepstow and also on 1911 states born chepstow
Wozzle,have you found William on the 1911 census? I have got his daughter Edith on it but never found him?
Edith was working at a pub in Abergavenny...she must have moved to Wolverhampton the following year ie,1912.
Lisa
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will p.m. you
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Hi Lisalucie
I'm new to this board, but I only joined because of you! I can't find a way to PM you, but I have done a lot of work on the Dundon/Carter/Knight/Prosser mob too. I am descended from the Dundons, but I have yet to start wife beating, ignoring bastardy orders, fighting etc.!
I guess that you are descended from one of Minnie Prosser's children (she was a star turn, wasn't she!) Clearly we share a few common relatives, if only by marriage. I am pleased to share what I have - can you PM me when you have a chance?
Paul
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Oh my goodness Paul this is exciting! I can't pm you u til u have made three more posts on rootschat I don't think so basically reply to this a couple of times and then I can pm u my email address.
I'm sure I tried to contact u before...have u got a tree online? But I don't think te email worked???
Yes my nans nan was Edith prosser, eldest daughter of Minnie...so far we haven't abandoned any children or been locked up for drunkern scrapping neither lol
Great to get this message, Lisa
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Hi Lisa
Great to hear from you! My old email address @Ireland.com was closed down without informing any of the users. Arrgh! But I'm back on the scene now - you are my first living relative "find" since I've come back into this hobby. Hopefully we will have some interesting info to swop.
Paul
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...a third post....
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Yay!! Will pm u my email address, feel free to email as TV isn't looking too good tonight lol
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Wozzle are you still on the case?
I have just received a connection of the Gilberts of Walterstone to Gilbert of Clifton Gloucestershire.
The Vineyard Estate at Walterstone was under the will of James Gilbert of Llancillo Hall - 1815.The farms associated with this estate Walterstone and Goytree farms passed to his great nephew Thomas Price [who assumed the name Gilbert]. The farms later settled on the marriage of Mary Gilbert to John Prosser of Chepstow in 1855. Thru your census info could you find John and Mary?
cheers
Jack Gee
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I hope i can jump in on this post as im new to this site:
im looking to trace the Military history of: Wilfred Prosser ( My Grandad-no middle name? TBH im not sure)born in Artillery SE Wales, he had a brother named Victor and Mother named Carter ( Minne ? not sure).They joined the Leominster regiment to avoid the pits, and on the condition of a catholic regiment from his parents.Wilfred was to young to join (14yrs) and to get in he was given the task of bugle player! ( have a picture) understand they both saw action in France, to what end i dont know- i understand he was a medical orderly or stretcher bearer? he did mention he had to put colored ribbons on injured soldiers dependent on the severity of the injury. He didn't mention the war much but did bring back a rifle bayonet which he gave to me and the horror of my parents ( long since lost) I have a few pics of him.
I do have a picture of him buy a tent with a few pals and i understand its was from his time in India? again not sure.
Any advice or direct id much appreciate
Thanks
John Prosser
Staffordshire
UK
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Hi John, have only just come across your post. I believe your Grandad Wilfred was my Nan's great uncle - her Nan was Edith Prosser (married name Jones) and Wilfred was her brother. My Nan has mentioned her uncle Wilf a few times actually and your story about him being a bugle player rings a bell.
Edith and Wilfreds siblings were William, Albert Victor and Adeline. Parents were William Prosser and Minnie Carter.
I cannot send you a private message on here until you have made 3 replies to the forum so when you get this, if you reply I should be able to message you on here and will gladly share what I've got about the Prossers.
Lisa