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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: g1rxr on Monday 16 January 12 01:37 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information on the Jones family of Corsham in the mid/late 1880's.
I have them on Census records but no common connections to share data.
Henry Jones birth 1852
William Jones birth 1813
Ralph Jones born 1888 (My grandfather)
Ernest Jones born 1875
and may more.........
The family were Quarrymen.
Goblin Pit and Westwells pit was a common work place for them 1860's to well into the 1900's
Do you any information to help with research.
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Have you purchased any certificates?Census will track their movements beyond that it is hard to supply""information""
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It's probably to complicated and long winded to post on here.
My grandparents and parents all died either before I was born
or when I was very young. Now all family relatives are either
dead or on the wrong branch of family.
I first purchased my mother and fathers marriage certificate to make
sure I was dealing with the correct couple.
I then purchased fathers birth certificate to find out grandfathers name.
He was Ralph Jones (shown in OP) As you can imaging it was
virtually impossible to go any further as I had no knowledge of his birth date.
For years I was unable to pass this brick wall. Then with a splendid bit of
luck I contacted someone about a wrong Ralph Jones.
This lady kindly did a bit of research and found a record of Ralph in the Coldstream
Guards. (My gratitude once again to Sue Waller) This record linked Corsham
to Surrey (place of marriage) Thus I was able to get back to census searching dates.
Since posting my original message I have noticed the men folk were quarrymen working
at both West Wells Pit and Goblins pit.
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I cannot help you with Henry,Ralph or Ernest but I have found a Baptism for a William.
26 Dec 1813 William Jones (Son) Parents James and Catherine, Lab, Gastard, Corsham.
Hopes this helps.
West.
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My thanks West.
I have the baptism from IGI which only says Corsham. The date is correct and parents correct so it is the same person.
Could I ask how you managed to get a listing of Gastard, Corsham.
Is there any chance that your superior records show which James Jones married which Catherine Shell in BOX on 4th Oct 1808 ?
There are 2 James Jones born Corsham and 2 Catherine Shell born in Box.
There are also two James Jones from Corsham Parish which is the nearest parish to Box. I will list them as they might be of help to you.
27 Mar 1785 James Jones S Parents James and Sarah Parish Corsham.
12 May 1788 James Jones S Parents George and Catherine (Pauper) Parish Corsham.
14 Oct 1781 Catharine Shell BBD Parents Joice Hancock and T Shell Parish Box.
3 Aug 1783 Catharine Shell D Parents James and Lucy Parish Box.
As you can see either James could have married either Catherine as the dates are all so close.
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I Found the following on the Box transcripts. It seems Joice baptised Catherine twice on the same day.
14 Oct 1781 BBD Catharine Shell To Joice Hancock & T Shell.
14 Oct 1781 BBD Catharine Hancock To Joice Hancock & T Shell.
There are no other Baptisms to Joice Hancock & T Shell.
I hope this info does not make it more confusing.
West.
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Many thanks West.
I now think this a brick wall that I will never be able to solve.
Not least the fact that there are 2x Catharine's and 2 x James's
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My grannie was Barbara jane jones b.1894 she had brothers Ralph and Earnest both in the Guards who were both killed WW1 and are buried in France. There were lots of relatives in Corshamside and Neston. She had another brother Fred who became a policeman married Olive and moved to Bristol and then London they had twin girls.A sister Alice who worked at the Wills tobacco factory in Bristol , Joyce who lived in Devizes, Edith who married Tom Sawyer and lived with her daughter in Stafford, and my favourite Auntie Nell - Ellen - married James Cainey and lived at Walcot Bath.There was a George - yes the Edgar Hansard Jones was his son and a few more all with Posh names - he worked at the big pit at Blaenavon and then on the Railway at Swindon.There was also a relative who owned a mink farm inCanada- they visited in1950. James jones was in the marines and lived at St Anthony Cornwall he boxed for the Army...I believe they originated from the Forest of Dean a lot of them ending up as miners at Blaenavon.Can give you more info if needed got most of mine from the Mormon website.Excellent.
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Hello VickyTaylor
In 15 years of researching my Jones ancestors from Corsham area I have never found anyone that actually had family information. You have blown me away with the amount of information in your reply. Most of my records are at our house in France but I have typed a rather long reply until I get over to France in a few weeks time. I will post the reply in the next post in case in the future it may help others. Admin if you feel it is too long please delete it.
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My grannie was Barbara jane jones b.1894 (***She was my great aunt***)
he had brothers Ralph and Earnest both in the Guards who were both killed WW1 and are buried in France.
***Ralf signed up for the Coldstream Gaurds 15th Feb 1907. No. 7152
Here there is some confusion as Ralf was my grandfather and died 18 Jan 1953 in Croydon Surrey.
He left the gaurds and became a policeman as far as I am aware. Can you help to prove my
informaton true or false? ***
There were lots of relatives in Corshamside and Neston. She had another brother Fred who became
a policeman married Olive and moved to Bristol and then London they had twin girls.
***My Fred was baptised 02 May 1880 - Neston. Married 1905 Lambeth,London to Ellen Light ?????
Had twin daughters Olive Ellen Jones and Margaret May Jones in 1907 also Violet Ivy in 1909.
All 3 born in Lambeth.***
A sister Alice who worked at the Wills tobacco factory in Bristol ,
Joyce who lived in Devizes,( ***I have 11 children in all but no Joyce?***)
Edith (***Edith Sarah Emily Jones baptised 3 Aug 1884 - Neston***) who married
Tom Sawyer (*** I have married Albert Charles Sawyer 1910 Neston***)
and lived with her daughter in Stafford, and my favourite Auntie Nell - Ellen -
married James Cainey and lived at Walcot Bath. ***Eunice Ellen Jones - 11 Mar 1890***
*** married James Andrew Cainey 1915 Chippenham district****
Miriam M. 1919 - Bath and Gilbert 1924 also Bath district
There was a George (***a differnt branch born to William and Emily) - yes the
Edgar Hansard Jones was his son and a few more all with Posh names -
****They had 11 children all with posh names Annetta Louisa Jones
Augustas Hansard Jones - Bernard Milton Jones - Stanley Hector Jones
Edgar Hansard Jones to name a few.***
he worked at the big pit at Blaenavon and then on the Railway at Swindon.There was also a relative
who owned a mink farm inCanada- they visited in1950.
James jones was in the marines and lived at St Anthony Cornwall ***He was the son of
Austin James Jones. James married 1945 Plymouth. I have seen his house at St Antony
as I now live in Plymouth.
(He died he boxed for the Army...I believe they originated from the Forest of Dean
a lot of them ending up as miners at Blaenavon.Can give you more info
if needed got most of mine from the Mormon website.Excellent.
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sorry, but there were 2 boys who were killed in WW1. just took it for granted that they would be the oldest 2... the person to ask is Rosemary Cainey wife of James son of Gilbert or Harry , she lives in Walcot Bath. James did a full and extensive family tree . Are you descended from James of Anthony Plymouth???My Grannie was probably the youngest child she died in 1971. All the information I got was from Auntie Betty Edith's daughter, and Auntie Miriam who was Nellies daughter, both have since passed on . I have a cousin Nicholas Drew who lives in Plymouth - no , the last time I saw him I was about ten years old- he went into the Navy triedto get in touch in 1971 when our paths crossed , I was married to an Airman and living in Cyprus and Nicky was on Hms Hermes. But because of my pregnancy they wouldn't let me go out to the ship....He has 2 sisters - one in Falmouth the other in Birkenhead.Beware there are 2 Jones families in Corsham - one in Elley Green and are they related not sure ....my e- mail address is Vickyetaylor@hotmail.com you may get in touch with me at any time - don't leave it too long I am 72years old.....
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I have emailed you Vicky
I have attached 2 files in case anyone else can add any information.
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interesting - I find I don't exist!!
Barbara Jane Jones b.1894 married Frederick George Drew in Corsham or Neston - Ebenezer Chapel 26th December 19( not sure of the Year) They moved to Portsmouth and had 4 sons , Frederick Perry DRew, married x2 one child Barbara - - after the divorce no further communication he then married Kay Pavey and moved to London where he worked for BOAC at Heathrow,
Son 2 WAs Richard henry Drew married a local girl in Bath ( they moved back to Bath my granfer working for The Inland Revenue In Bath) he married Evelyn Colby - she died of TB at Winsley Sanatorium Limplystoke.He remarried to Roma Heather Dungay a WREN from Burford Oxford but came originally from Helston inCornwall. They had 3 children Nicholas married to Sue -2 boys,
Carole married to Dave Westwell lives in Birkenhead has children
Heather married to Arthur - one son
3rd son my farther James Martin Drewmarried Alice Brannigan Goodwin and produced 3 daughters
Elizabeth Barbara Bush married to David children Gillian Betts married to STeve.and James married with 2 children
Victoria evelyn Taylor widowed with 2 children
Sarah jane Goodwin DRew divorced with 2 boys
hope this fills you in on my bit of the tree
some of my grans relatives as you have gathered are not known to me but Auntie EDith's and auntie Nells were we all lived closish to each other and as growing up met on numerous times
I do remember Gran visiting someones daughter in Stockwell London about 1955 we were on holiday in London .
Grandfather Frederick George and my father James Martin were born in Portsmouth(in fact I think they all were)- forgot to put son no4 David Austin Drew married annulled no issue died in London recently.
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I think that somewhere in there you will find William Jones married to Elizabeth Herbert, this would account for my grans rhesus negative blood group. there were 3boys who fought in south Africa all of them getting awarded medals etc all Joneses - blond hair and blue eyes... there is a close connection to the Army, ( I think also Elizabeth Perry came from Devizes and then back to Cornwall) George's wife was the cook at the big house in Corsham owned by a Captain Fuller my Auntie Nell also worked there and so did Auntie Eaddy
George and his wife are both buried at the Chapel in Neston they were caretakers there.
Richard Jones is buried in the graveyard attached to the Parish church . He married one of the Chivers girls
think that is the lot for now hope it is some use to you....
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Thank you Vicky.
You have spent so much time and effort to pass on all of this information.
Have you had time to read the emails I have sent to you.
Kind regards Joe
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no problem, hope it helps with the family tree , most of the info has been passed on to me , so now it is yours .
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The speed and help the internet offers VickyTaylor.
My thanks to Eileen Cook of Corsham for the 2 photo's attached
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Thanks for the pictures - the Richard I was referring to was b. sometime between 1881 and 1894 He married one of the Chivers family and according to Gran lived at Reading - somewhere....I think that there were a lot of them - mostly grown up by the time she came along...anyway back to the envelop search - be in touch..bye for now....
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I am now on the hunt for the other Richard.
I have received confirmation for the Richard Artus death.
He is indeed buried in our cemetery, Our register entry reads;
JONES Mr R A Richard
AMDGW Clerk of Works 20 8 57 43
4 B 8 Habbaniya Heart Failure & bronchopneumonia