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Could anyone please help me with any information regarding William Francis Dubock Brown, Born Sydney Australia January 1817 Married Sarah Cox 5/9/1837, Died Sydney, 30/8/1861, Five children, Louisa, William Goodlad, George, Susannah and Sarah. William's Parents were William Horatio Brown and Susannah Dubock. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanking you.
regards,
ROSJAN
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Hi ROSJAN,
William was actually born baptised in Tasmania.
William Fran Dubock BROWN
21 Jan 1817
Father: William Horatio BROWN
Mother: Susannah BROWN
Registered Baptised in 1823 at Launceston, Tasmania
#1519
Other children are listed here:
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=P&id=17288
Debra :)
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Hi there,
Straying off topic, but I noticed on one of your earlier threads that you were missing the parents details from a marriage in NSW at Young. I think this thread I did up last year may interest you, and it may well apply to your BROWN searches too, particularly if any of those five children married in NSW between 1856 and say 1895 ish ... I have Brown as a surname in my tree too, and they can be elusive without all the details that ought to be on the NSW BDM mc's...
Here's the link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html
Cheers, JM
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Thank you for your reply but, I have a copy of William's Baptism certificate which states he was born in Sydney 21/1/1817. According to the records the Brown family didn't sail for Tasmania until late 1819.
Regards,
ROSJAN.
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Sorry, my mistake in the wording - civil registration in Tasmania didn't start until 1833, so the record is for a baptism in Tasmania. He may well have been born in Sydney.
Debra :)
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Curiouser and curiouser ???
Australian Death Index has this record:
1819, # V1819603 6, registered at Sydney, birthplace NSW
William Brown
Birth Date: 1819
Father's Name: Brown
Mother's Name: Susannah
Birth Place: New South Wales
Registration Year: 1819
And this record:
Registered 1823, #1519 at Launceston Tasmania
William Fran Dubock BROWN
Birth Date: 21 Jan 1817
Father's Name: William Horatio Brown
Mother's Name: Susannah Brown
Birth Place: Tasmania
And NSW BMD index has three entries for William BROWN but I don't think they are the same William.
V18195623 1B/1819 Mother: SUSANNAH
V1819603 6/1819 Mother Susannah
V181740 141/1817 No parent names given
Judith
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BROWN - I'm glad I don't have any in my family ;D
ROSJAN is he the William BROWN who was the clerk to Reverend YOUL in 1819?
Debra :)
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Looks like the children of William Horatio and Susannah Brown were baptised in Launceston in 1823.
Henry St John Brown reg number 1521/1823
Louisa Brown reg number 1522/1823
Susannah Arabella Brown reg number 1520/1823
William Francis Dubock Brown reg number 1519/1823
The registration numbers last four digits of/1823 means it was the year of their Baptism.Some familys baptised their children all in one lot.It seems that they have the childrens actual birth date and not Baptism date as Rosjan says the Brown family didn`t arrive in Tasmania until late 1819.
Johngirl
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I agree Judith, curiouser and curiouser,
Do we know when he returned to Sydney from VDL? Was it with his parents, or did he travel alone ?
Re the multiple entries at NSW BDM ... suggesting to me that if these are for the same person, that one would be for the original parish register (which could be anywhere in what was then NSW, eg VDL was still part of NSW at that time), and one would be for the transmitted record to the NSW Chaplain (in accordance with Gov Macquarie's General Orders of 1810. The NSW Chaplain was of course the Rector of St Philips, in Sydney and was C of E. But not just C of E records were to be forwarded to him.... any denomination sent records to Rev Cowper, from anywhere in the Colony and in the South Seas....
So, it is quite possible that William Francis Dubock Brown was baptised in the territory that Macquarie governed as Governor of the penal colony of NSW.
I am not sure about the entry for 1817 with no parents names given. I have a similar NSW BDM cert from that era .... (I just had to purchase it, rather than a transcript), it is for a baptism, with NO surname, and NO parents listed .... It is suitably framed and hanging at my front door, to remind anyone that cares to look at it, that you cannot always believe certified information on Official Documents.... The original parish record of course gives ALL the family names.... Yep, NSW and yep, Sydney Town, and during Gov Lachlan Macquarie's reign. ::) ::)
Cheers, JM
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When did they go back to Sydney? Or was it just William who went back/
Judith
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Hi there,
I am confused, where does the “DUBOCK” name come into the picture please?
I notice that the NSW BDM online index gives two entries for the 1837 marriage mentioned in the OP. One offers a further surname of Halliday for Sarah.
The familysearch’s Historical records show that a William Francis BROWN (noting only two given names) married 5 Sept 1837 at St Andrews, Scots Church, Sydney, to Sarah Halliday OR Cox. https://www.familysearch.org
Some likely Early Church Records for the baptisms of those five children, Louisa, William Goodlad, George, Susannah and Sarah, presuming they were baptised in NSW
From NSW BDM online index, with parents recorded as William F and Sarah or just as William and Sarah
Louisa, 1838
William G, 1840
George, 1842
NOT found Susannah though, but found Susanna
Sarah 1847
From Familysearch online searchings today...
Louisa BROWN, b 24 Aug 1838, baptism 8 Sept 1839 recorded at St Philip’s Sydney ... parents William Francis Brown and Sarah.... (remember though that St Philip’s was receiving transmitted records from various locations and denominations, and in this instance there’s no third given name for the father, nor any nee name for the mother, and there’s over a year’s delay between birth date and when the baptism record was entered at St Philip’s)
William Goodlad BROWN, b 20 Aug 1840, baptism recorded at St Philip’s Sydney for 13 Sept 1840, parents William Brown and Sarah (remember though that St Philip’s was receiving transmitted records from various locations and denominations and no second or third given name for the father, nor a nee name for the mother)
George BROWN b 16 Sept 1842, baptism recorded at St Philip’s Sydney 9 October 1842, again this could be a transmitted record, parents recorded as William Francis Brown and Sarah.
Susanna BROWN, b 16 Feb 1845, baptism twice recorded at Familysearch (hence my suggestion re transmitted records), baptism recorded on 9 March 1845, with parents as William Francis Brown and Sarah
Sarah BROWN, b 27 April 1847, baptism recorded at St Philip’s, 30 May 1847, parents as William Brown and Sarah.
So, my question
What record do you have giving you reason to note the three given names of William Francis Dubock BROWN please? I can see the likely registration of a death for William F Brown in 1861, in Sydney (#809) but no parents names are shown on the index.
Cheers, JM
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Could anyone please help me with any information regarding William Francis Dubock Brown, Born Sydney Australia January 1817 Married Sarah Cox 5/9/1837, Died Sydney, 30/8/1861, Five children, Louisa, William Goodlad, George, Susannah and Sarah. William's Parents were William Horatio Brown and Susannah Dubock. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanking you.
regards,
ROSJAN
Hi there,
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60483218 The Empire, 31 Aug 1861
“ DEATHS. BROWN-On the 30th August, at the Sydney Infirmary, Mr.William Brown, many years foreman of the Patent Slip,Sussex-street, aged 47 years.”
I think it is likely that this is NOT actually your chap, as this chap was born circa 1814, and I cannot see any mention in that newspaper for all three given names. .... Sorry, but I am very doubtful that two chaps both named William Brown would have died on the same day, 30 August 1861 in Sydney Town.
Could this be the marriage of your Susanna/h, perhaps some typos either at the newspaper or at NSW BDM online index ...
Edward M LOWDLER and Susannah BROWN, registered at Windsor NSW in 1861, #3072 ... the civil mc may not have all the details for their parents, but I have already given the link to help you sort that hurdle out.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60483733 The Empire, 30 July 1861
“LOWATER-BROWN- On the 25th instant, at the residence of Mr. Busby, Maqquarie-street, Windsor, by the Rev. C. Creed, Edward M., youngest son of Mr. William Lowater, to Susannah, second daughter of Mr. William Brown Portland Heads, Hawkesbury River.”
Fingers crossed, it is often a huge and difficult task to sort BROWN registrations back through the generations.
Cheers, JM
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I think this is likely the d.c. reference for the chap who died at the Sydney Infirmary on 30 August 1861 # 809 ... It displays online as William F BROWN, with father's given name as William, but no name for the mother. It does give that this person died in Sydney and the death was registered in Sydney.
The d.c. should list that William F Brown's children, depending of course on the knowledge of the informant. If it is the chap who died in the Infirmary, it is possible that the informant was a hospital attendant or a coroner. It was unusual for these people to enquire to find out the marital status, or the name of the spouse, or the details of any children of the marriage. The d.c. should give you the clergy and the cemetery details, so perhaps there's a headstone or church records to help confirm/eliminate this chap.
Cheers, JM
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Hi JM,
William Jnr's mother was Susannah DUBOCK, probably married in 1815 in London to William BROWN (FamilySearch).
Debra :)
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Thanks Dundee,
I am confused, where does the “DUBOCK” name come into the picture please?
I am confused simply because I cannot find any indexes with William Brown showing "Dubock" as his third given name... So I guess I should have written
...'where does the "DUBOCK" name as in William Francis Dubock BROWN as per your heading, come into the picture for records for him please?'
Oh deary me, I try so hard not to be so wordy in my posts, .... and look where it gets me .... ::)
Oh well, "they" do say that practise makes perfect, so I will just have to practise some more :-X
Cheers, JM
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JM this is the only one I found - the Tasmanian registration made 5 years after the birth.
Registered 1823, #1519 at Launceston Tasmania
William Fran Dubock BROWN
Birth Date: 21 Jan 1817
Father's Name: William Horatio Brown
Mother's Name: Susannah Brown
Birth Place: Tasmania
I am still wondering when William returned to Sydney.
Transcription of baptism certificate for George BROWN:
Baptism George Brown 9 October 1842,
born 16 September 1842 to William Francis & Sarah Brown, Shipwright of Sussex Street, Sydney in the Parish of St Philip, Sydney in the County of Cumberland by B Lucas Watson in the Church of England.
The death quoted here
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60483218 The Empire, 31 Aug 1861
“ DEATHS. BROWN-On the 30th August, at the Sydney Infirmary, Mr.William Brown, many years foreman of the Patent Slip,Sussex-street, aged 47 years.”
would appear to be the father of the George BROWN whose baptism is above.
Judith
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Hi
I cannot find William Francis Dubock BROWN in NSW .... as an adult ....
So I think 'foreman' at the hotel, "Patent Slip" may be a clue to the shipwright who resided in Sussex St near the hotel but as to that chap being William Francis Dubock Brown ... I cannot join those dots yet, Sorry
Cheers JM
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You may find this interesting:
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18070513-24-defend253&div=t18070513-24#highlight
The 1815 marriage from the original PR is as follows:
Whitechapel St Mary
3 Jul 1815
William Brown widower and Susannah Dubock single woman, both of this parish
Witnesses: Timo Bourne?, Edward Dubock and Susannah Dubock
The two Dubock witnesses may be Susannah's parents, Edward Dubock is certainly her father as the signature matches his marriage entry but his wife was illiterate if her marriage entry is to be believed and another Susannah Dubock, wife of William, was also illiterate so the jury is still out on that. The important one though is Edward when it comes to identifying her. William Brown's signature interestingly is different to the one on his "marriage" to Rebecca Wilmot (as per the old bailey details) but he may have been disguising his handwriting. Susannah Dubock had a brother called Wiliam Francis Dubock who migrated from London to Coventry.
I had contact a couple of years ago with a lady in Australia descended from William Horatio Brown and Susanna, as I was trying to confirm the identity of Susanna Dubock. It would seem that Susannah Dubock didn't consider the marriage necessarily legal since I was told she did remarry in 1844 in Tasmania.
My own interest is via the Dubock line since Susannah's mother is the half cousin of one of my ancestors. There was various information online regarding William Horatio Brown's wife Susannah and some debate over which Susanna Dubock she was, however the witnesses on the marriage confirm that a lot of these sites have picked the wrong Susanna.
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Hi smudwhisk,
Do you have William Francis Dubock BROWN as returning to Sydney NSW by Sept 1837 to then marry and have children with Sarah HALLIDAY/COX ?
Adding, to help unconfuse me :-X :-X :-X
Cheers, JM
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Oh my, William Horatio BROWN certainly seemed to enjoy being married - till the next time ::)
He was made a Constable in Launceston, Tasmania in April 1826
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8790407
But seems to have been dismissed by July ::)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8791388
And writes to the Editor in July complaining about his dismissal
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2448182
I am assuming you have all Wm Horatio's convict information. Happy to post if it's helpful.
Judith
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Than you all for Replying. The name Dubock appears in William's death (30/8/1861) certicate details supplied by William's daughter Susannah, he died in the Infiremary aged 45yrs, the children listed on the death certificate are correct. He was buried in the Camperdown Cemetery (St Stephens), She lived in Sussex Street, Wiliam's son William Goodlad Brown worked at and was supposed to have been born at the Patent slip Wharf Sussex Street. William's father William Horatio Brown Was the one who was clerk to The Rev. Youl. We don't know when he arrived in Sydney from Tasmania. William Francis married Sarah Cox 5/9/1837 in Sydney (marriage certificate). On the death certificate Susannah gives her mothers name as Sarah Ulladale? Why? who Knows.
Regards,
ROSJAN.
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Hi there ;D
You mention that Susannah gives her mothers name as Sarah Ulladale on the death certificate.... I am confused again, sorry but .... is that on William Francis Dubock BROWN's d.c. please .....
Of the two records for the 1837 marriage, which one do you have please .... I am thinking that the one from NSW BDM's Vol 74A would show HALLIDAY or COX as Susannah's former name, so perhaps ULLADALE is a mis-read for HALLIDAY or vice versa ....
Who was the informant on that d.c. please....
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Hi,
William Francis Dubock Brown's Death Certificate shows his wifes name as Sarah Ulladale (More than likely a corruption of Halliday). The marriage entry we have is the Church Register entry which only uses the name Sarah Cox, widow. Her maiden name was Halliday or Holliday first marriage to Andrew Cox in England.
Regards,
ROSJAN.
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Thanks for unconfusing me ...
Cheers, JM
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Perhaps there is more information on the other record of that marriage in 1837. I hesitate to suggest spending more pennies when you have already obtained that mc.... If you have some spare, the cheaper and quicker and easier option perhaps would be an official transcript of Vol 74A, line 3010 MAY (and may well NOT) give you some further clues .... but please do not get your hopes up too much.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html link to RChat's NSW Resources Board, which will lead you to
Registry of BMD New South Wales
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
Details on ALL Certificates for New South Wales
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistoryCertificates.htm
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Transcription Agents
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html
Could anyone please help me with any information regarding William Francis Dubock Brown, Born Sydney Australia January 1817 Married Sarah Cox 5/9/1837, Died Sydney, 30/8/1861, Five children, Louisa, William Goodlad, George, Susannah and Sarah. William's Parents were William Horatio Brown and Susannah Dubock. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanking you.
regards,
ROSJAN
Cheers, JM
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Hello - about 35 years ago I bought a box of items in Nowra NSW at a church stall. Amongst the items was an old family bible in poor condition, but to my great delight, as a history buff, someone had attached some pen script recordings of Births.
William Francis Dubock Brown is the first entry against which it says "son of WH & J Brown of Sydney NSW"
I would like to return this bible to the descendants of William for their custody.
Any assistance appreciated
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Welcome to Rootschat, Garvin - how fascinating - what a treasure you have unearthed. I would think the family would be delighted to hear about the bib;e.
You need to have made 3 posts with Rootschat before you can use the Private Message system so another post from you should get you there!
Just a short one would do.
Judith
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We are currently cleaning out under the house and boxing up for the move back to the coast and I was under strict instruction to get rid of a lot of my "collectables" - but not this one!
I knew that some one might treasure it.
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Hi there,
Welcome from me too....
Definitely definitely definitely do NOT mis-place this, please, please do not let it out of your sight. ;D ;D
There's likely to be some RChatters away on their hols, and some of these will have been involved in re-uniting family Bibles to their originating families.
Cheers, JM
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T'is safe - on the desk now next to the computer.
I'll scan in the handwritten notes later today for all to see.
The front chapter is missing, starts at the tail end of Genesis Ch 15 and very water marked but the pen scritpt's are just legible but someone has taken the time to copy some of the faded ink entries.
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I'd definately be interested in seeing a scan of those pages. ;D
William Horatio Brown's "3rd wife", as it seems she didn't recognise the marriage as legal, is a sideline on one of my trees as her mother was one of my ancestor's second cousins.
Nicola
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So would I. :)
You can post them on here, Garvin.
I've had the satisfaction of returning an old family bible to present days descendants, with the help of Rootschat and Mr Google, so I hope you can do the same. If you need any help, please don't hesitate to ask.
Dee :)
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Hello again scan didn't work so I've photos to attach
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Hi garvin,
What a surprise to find that there was a family bible! I am extremely interested to know what else is written in it as I come down through William Frances Dubock Brown's son William Goodlad Brown. Waiting for more.
Regards,
ROSJAN.
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Hi Garvin
Very interesting as Rosjan has said. I would imagine that it must have belonged to William Horatio and Susanna Brown because I can't see the children necessarily knowing the exact times they were born. ;) Obviously came down through one of the children's family.
Did you intend to post two of the same page as it does look at the bottom that there was some other text? Seems to include Louisa's baptism too.
Nicola
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Hi there,
I am delighted to see the scans.
I wonder if the person recording this may have been interested in charting horoscopes? I ponder this simply because in one of my forebears Family Bible ... well several of the entries include the "o'clock" times for births too. And, in my case, these also were for births in Sydney Town in the 1810s. The person who gifted that Family Bible to me had been very involved in family history searchings for decades prior to their death in the 1960s. So they did their research the 'old fashioned way', long before this hobby was at all popular. Their private papers show that they suspected that the 'o'clock' details were to help establish the exact latitude and longitude and time and position 'in the heavens' when each baby was born, and they presumed this was for their chart (no no no, not the family tree chart, but their ‘astrological chart’. So, for example I read that when one of my ggg grandmothers gave birth to her Sydney born children the Family Bible notes their name details and then the time and the exact location of the residence. In my case, those children's baptismal records (images at the NSW State Library, rather than the typed Early Church Records certificates from NSW BDM) show the occupation of their father.
So for example from the scans uploaded by Garvin, I read that Susanna Anabella Brown Daughter of WHQT Brown of His Majesty’s Government Hospital, Parramatta, was born on 11th January 1819 at 9 pm. And when her older brother (the chap that this thread is about, William Frances Dubock Brown), was born, WHQT Brown was ‘of Sydney’ (rather than at Parramatta). To my way of thinking, there’s quite a distance between Sydney Town and Parramatta in 1819 !
Of course, on other branches of my NSW forebears trees, I can at times have scant info, so I really appreciate the benefits that are available from Family Bibles.
Cheers, JM
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I am extremely interested in these scans. I am a direct descendant of James Horatio Brown, born c1826 to William Horatio Brown & Susannah. I would be very interested in anything else that may be written in the bible - according to a petition to Governor Arthur dated 27 Dec 1824 there were at that point 5 children born in the colony. We have not yet found any evidence of a 5th Australian born child at that time; it is possible that WHB is claiming as Australian born the child he bought with him from UK, Angela Patmas Brown. We know my ancestor James Horatio Brown was born Tasmania c1826 but have no official record of his birth. The births of the later children Matilda 1830 (headstone on death) and Sarah Ellen 1831 (baptism) are recorded. This is an extremely complex family tree, due in part to WHB's 3 "marriages" and also to the fact that WHB may have had some mental illness (perhaps epilepsy) which led him to make wild and conflicting claims about himself and his family. I have done extensive research on this family in the past (though little recently) and would happily share whatever I have. I am not sure how to do this - even the short summaries are some pages long.
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Welcome to Rootschat Siddie
Once you have posted three times you can send Personal Messages to any RChatter.
Easiest way is to reply twice more on this thread eg "Hi"
Once you have three posts, then you can consider exchanging email addys with other descendants rather than post up long summaries at RChat. RChat threads are easily found via Google searches as RChat is a public forum.
Cheers, JM
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Thanks for the welcome; I know one of the people who have contributed to this post, because they kindly alerted me to it. I am not sure if the original poster has ever been in contact with me; if not, they are welcome to do so. If they care to Google "William Horatio Brown" and Kaye they will no doubt find me; the email address remains the same. Any original material, like the bible, is of course very exciting. Sadly a print of the scan did not come out very clearly but it is certainly legible down to Henry - I assume Louisa is below. As I said above, any further entries beyond these first 4 children who were baptised by Rev Youl 1 April 1823 (which is perhaps when these entries were written), would be very exciting.
The entries look to me to be in WHB's own handwriting - there are lots of examples as he wrote regular petitions and complaining letters to Govt officials. Though of course I guess to a certain extent if parents taught their children to write, they could write in the same way. (Susannah could sign her own name when she married WHB, though with nothing like the fluency of William.) The entries read WH & S Brown (William Horatio and Susannah) - the entry about H M G? Hospital Parramatta is very interesting - I assume he was employed there, probably as a clerk. He was a schoolmaster at Kissing Point during his convict stage in 1812; on his Certificate of Freedom in 1814 he was described as a "comedian" (actor) - which seems very apt, when you consider his life. His free passage back to NSW in 1816 for himself, wife Susannah and daughter Angela was granted on the basis of his schoolmaster experience. He went to Tasmania as clerk to Rev Youl, and held various Govt positions, most of which which he subsequently lost.
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Just saying Hi! :D
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So now you can notice who is currently online, because the green light under their avatar lights up when they are at RChat !
Cheers, JM (yours and my lights are ON at the moment, smudwhisks, garvain, Rosjan, dee ... they are offline at the moment, and you can send PMs regardless of if their light is on or off)
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Hi there,
Noticed all the posts about William Francis Dubock Brown,
Iam the Great Great Granddaughter of Susannah Anabella Brown
who was born 11 January 1819 at Parramatta, NSW.
and died 23 November 1858 at Windellama NSW.
Buried 26 November 1858 at St. Batholomew's Windellama.
Susannah married Thomas Cartwright 25 July 1837 Hobart Town VDL
They were to have 10 children 5 of which were born in Tasmania
Thomas Cartwright was a son of Rev. Robert Cartwright and Mary Boardman.
Susannah is a sister to William Francis Dubock Brown and their parents were
William Horatio Brown and Susannah Dubock. who were married 5 July 1815
St. Mary Whitechapel London.
William Horatio Brown parents were John Brown and Patmos Willis
Susannah Dubock parents were Edward Dubock and Susanna Briggs.
I hope I have been of some help.
Good to hear of you again Kaye.
Kind regards Maxpaw
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Thank you for your reply but, I have a copy of William's Baptism certificate which states he was born in Sydney 21/1/1817. According to the records the Brown family didn't sail for Tasmania until late 1819.
Regards,
ROSJAN.
I am attaching a link to Rev Youl's parish register. There's no mention of the place of birth for William Fran Dubock, or for Susannah Anabella, or for Henry St John, or for Louisa. They were baptised 1 April 1823 and their parents were recorded as William Horatio and Susannah BROWN, of George Town (VDL).
Please remember that a baptismal record rarely records the place of birth.
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD32-1-1-p083j2k
From Rev Youl's bio you will notice that St John's C of E, Launceston was not even being constructed in April 1823, as the foundation stone was not laid until Dec 1824. Rev Youl moved to George Town in July 1821, so only Louisa was born AFTER Rev Youl arrived in George Town. Perhaps William Horatio and Susannah arrived in George Town at some time after the 5 April 1821 birth of Henry St John ?
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/youl-john-2827
So, William Fran Dubock was born 21 January 1817
Susannah Anabella was born 11 January 1819
Henry St John was born 5 April 1821
Louisa was born 10 December 1822
and these four children were baptised on 1 April 1823 by Rev Youl.
Cheers, JM
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I am also a direct descendent of James Brown, and have had the same problems as you in "finding" him,
he married Ellen McCluskey ( an Irish Orphan ) in Sydney in 1851, one of their daughters is/was my Grandmother Mary Ann Brown ( died 1949)
Mary Ann married Robert Alfred Evers.
my father Harold James Evers one of their sons.
In your searches have you found mention of James Cosgrove
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Hi Kenneth,
Noticed your post regarding James Brown and Ellen McCluskey. I haven't really done any research on their family so I probably can't be of much assistance to you. Regarding the Cosgrove name I haven't came across it in the Brown family at all at this stage.
Regards and good luck in your research and if I find out anything I will contact you.
Rosjan.
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Hello, James Horatio Brown is my 3rd great granduncle. His sister Susannah Annabella Cartwright nee Brown is my 3rd great grandmother. I am on ancestry.com.au