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In the 19th century there was 1 extended Mawby family in Long Lawford who descended from William Mawby & Elizabeth Matthews (married 1814) - fairly straightforward. Then there was Mary. I am sure she was related but I don't know how.
Mary had a daughter, Ellen, who was christened at Newbold 8.9.1844. Mary was unmarried and she doesn't appear to have registered the birth. In the 1851 census she was living in Rugby, working as a nurse, and is married - her surname being Batchelor. Ellen is a lodger with a family in Long Lawford and there is no sign of Mary's husband. In the 1861 census, Mary is back in Long Lawford. She is a widow and is being visited by her daughter, Ellen Mawby. According to the censuses, she remains in Long Lawford for the rest of her life and is bured in Newbold church in 1889. Her death certificate descibes her as the widow of Joseph Batchelor.
I can't find her marriage anywhere, or the death of Joseph Batchelor. What I have come across is a marriage at Newbold between Joseph Batchelor and Mary Clark - both of Long Lawford - and the marriage is witnessed by John & Charlotte Mawby. Is this a complete coincidence? I can't find any subsequent trace of Joseph Batchelor and Mary Clark. Any ideas please.
Slipper
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Hello Slipper
There are 2 deaths registered for a Joseph Batchelor in Rugby,1 in 1858 & the other in 1859.
Who does Mary Clark give as her father on her marriage cert?
It's possible Mary was the product of a previous marriage or relationship & given the name Mawby on the remarriage of her mother & reverted back to her original name later,these things did happen.
jim
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Hi Slipper
A few snippets that I have come across which may help and my apologies if you have this already but thought that if I tried to find out who John and Charlotte Mawby were then maybe it would help to find a link .................
I note with interest that in 1861 RG9 2211 6 5 Mary Bachelor and Ellen are living next door to .....
Charlotte Burton Head widow 79 Witton Warkwickshire
John Mawby son in law widow 42 Long Lawford - Railway Lab
John son 14 Lawford - ? Boy
Charlotte daugh 12 Lawford
Alfred son 3 Lawford
Could they be the witnesses John and Charlotte Mawby ..........
1851 H0107 2069 - Long Lawford - Address Hereford Grounds
John Mawby Head mar 33 Long Lawford - Railway Lab
Charlotte wife 29 Long Lawford
John son 6 Long Lawford
Charlotte daugh 3 Long Lawford
Free BMD marriage Mar 1842 Charlotte Burton and on the same page John Morby Dist Rugby Vol 16 Pg 417
Then in 1871 RG10 3184 5 4 - John Mawby widower and Ann Vann married on the 4th April 1869 (source Freereg) his father was William Mawby Lab
Also have you ruled out the birth for Ellen Mawby Free bmd Qtr 3 1844 Rugby?
Regards
Z :)
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Agree with Z I think they are the witnesses,John in 1841 is living with his widowed mother Elizabeth who is probably Elizabeth nee Matthews.
jim
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Hi Jim & Z
Thanks so much for your replies.
The John & Charlotte you have found are the witnesses. (They are incidentally my g.g.grandparents). Further, their son, also a John, was witness at Ellen's wedding in 1889. Ellen married John Lake and she was known within the family as Aunt Lake.
I have researched and ruled out the Ellen Mawby birth you have found together with another Ellen and a Female. I have also tried all manner of spellings for Mawby and drawn a blank but I think sometimes births weren't registered.
Of the 2 Joseph Batchelor deaths, one is a child and the other could I suppose be the man as he is of the right age (born c.1806). He died in the Workhouse.
Mary Clark gives her father as Thomas Clark, Labourer, and she was residing in Long Lawford at he time of her marriage. Maybe she did 'change her name' as you suggest but would Ellen have retained the Mawby name? I don't know. There were certainly very few other Mawbys around.
On balance, do you think Mary Mawby is likely to be Mary Clark or am I barking up the wrong tree?
Slipper
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I think there are too many Mawby connections for it to be a coincidence.According to the census Mary was born around 1808-12
which is prior to Elizabeth Matthews marriage to William Mawby.I would go down this route & find out if Mary could be Elizabeth's daughter.
jim
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Thanks Jim - I'll give this a try.
Slipper
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Hi Slipper
Whilst taking a look at various information I have just come across something which I think is worth a mention
I was wondering who Frederick aged 4 was as shown with the Mawby family in 1841 H0107 1137 F10 Pg 15 and could not seem to find him in any later census ??? But curiously whilst looking at possible name connections those of Mawby, Clarke, Vann, Mathews and Bachelor I came across this:-
Baptism Frederick Clarke Newbold on Avon 18th Sept 1836 Mother Mary Clarke servant
Unfortunately I also came across his burial on the 28th Nov 1841 he was only 5 the son of Mary Clarke servant
I was also wondering whether this could be Thomas Clarke as shown in the marriage of Mary Clarke and Joseph Bachelor
1841 H0107 1137 Bk15 F13 Pg20 - Civil Parish Newbold Upon Avon
Thomas Clarke 40 - Agri Lab
Ann 40
John 20 - Shoemaker
All born in County
Sorry thinking aloud here but if you follow the Clarke family I note the name Ellen seems to appear, as it does not seem that common amongst the Mawby family
and another interesting find was ................................
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Me again ;D
1841 H0107 1137 Bk15 F10 Pg14 - Civil Parish Newbold Upon Avon
Benjamin Woodhouse 35 - Carpenter
Sarah 26
Charles Townsend 11
Jane Bacheldor 16 - FS
Thomas Vann 34 - Gardener
All born in county
and then Thomas Vann in 1861 RG9 2211 15 23 and 1871 RG10 3184 12 18 - Civil Parish Long Lawford
John Mathews head mar 55 Lawford - Bricklayer
Ann wife 47 Lawford nee Vann
Thomas son 17 Lawford - cannot read occupation
Thomas Vann 54 Lodger Lawford - Gardener
John Mathews and his wife Ann are living not far from Elizabeth Mawby nee Mathews in 1841
There does appear to be quite a few Mathews in Newbold on Avon on freereg so maybe just a coincidence but was rather intrigued to find a Bachelor and a Vann in the same household which then led me back to the surname Mathews and on the very same page Elizabeth Mawby
Forgive me if you have this already but maybe it will help you to solve this puzzle ;D
All the best
Z :)
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You've been busy.Mary Clark was born around 1808-12 so I think this Thomas would be too young to be her father.
In a small village like Long Lawford there are always going to be families marrying into other families & one way or another a lot will be related in some way which makes it hard to unravel but a good find.
jim
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Hi Jim
Overlooked the age of Thomas ;D ;D
Maybe a relative ???
Yes I agree it certainly will be a tricky one to unravel
All the best
Z :)
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Hi Z and Jim
This is so helpful. I hadn't thought of Frederick possible being Clarke. I have in the past searched for him as a Mawby and found nothing. I've decided to get a copy of his death cert. to see if it holds any clues. I'll let you know.
I still can't find Mary's christening, as a Clarke or otherwise but am continuing to search. I don't know where William was born as the only earlier Mawby in Newbold parish records was 1721. I thought knowing more about Mary might help but if she is Elizabeth's daughter then it won't! Elizabeth is easier as she was born in Long Lawford and christened, I think 5.5.1776, the daughter of Richard and Dorothy Matthews. There was, incidentally, a Thomas Matthews christened 8.10.1809, the son of Elizabeth Matthews but whether this was my Elizabeth, I don't know.
I'm looking at the Clarke families in Long Lawford and they come together quite neatly with William + Elizabeth & their offspring and Thomas + his wives & theirs. I think Thomas only had two wives bt the names always change! There is Sarah (baptism of son); Ann 1841 census; Elizabeth 1861 census; and Fanny in the 1871 census. Fanny was definately a different one. Perhaps it was his father who caused the trouble???
Thanks again
Slipper
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Hi Slipper
I hope you don't mind but have come across this which could be of interest .............
1841 H0107 1137 Bk18 F 12 Pg 17 - Civil Parish Rugby - Address Moreton Rd
Transcribed as Jork Barchola????
I think this should be Jos Batchelor Male Servant b 1806 - born in County
Cannot find him in 1851 but would appear to tie in with the Joseph Batchelor whose death you mention earlier in the workhouse and oddly enough cannot find the workhouse of Rugby in 1851 either ???
And you probably have this already but just in case ................ possibility?
1841 H0107 1137 Bk18 F 4 Pg 1 - Civil Parish Rugby - Address Church St
Mary Clarke 30 - Female Servant - born in County
Anyway this could be something and nothing but I love a good puzzle and I do hope that this will not remain a mystery for you for too long.
All the very best
Z :)
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Hi Z
I don't mind at all, in fact I'm very grateful for your help.
I think you might be right about friend Jork. It's certainly the best thing we've got so far.
Also Mary Clarke - yet another coincidence. We have two Marys both born in or connected to the village of Long Lawford; both born at about the same time; both working as servants; both working in Rugby at some time; both having children before they were married and both marrying a Joseph Batchelor! Yet, if they are the same person (as would seem increasingly likely) why did she always call herself Clarke except at the christening of her daughter and why did her daughter go on to call herself Mawby? I sometimes think I'm going round in circles and missing something obvious.
I'm away after tomorrow for about a week but when I return I hope to have the death cert. for Frederick and I'll let you know the outcome.
Thanks again
Slipper
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The death cert. of Frederick Clarke did not name Elizabeth Mawby as I had hoped but I'm still sure this must be the child living with her in the 1841 census. He died 25.11.1841 of meningitis; son of Mary Clarke, servant; and was registered by Sarah Burton who was present at the death. In the 1841 census he was the only Frederick in the village and the ages tally.
One other small find - at the marriage of John and Charlotte Mawby, the witnesses were John and Mary Clarke. They both signed their names but Mary's signature is different to that on her marriage certificate with Joseph Batchelor where she also spells the name without an 'e' on the end. Happy Days!
Slipper
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It all depends on where the info. has come from.If you have her marriage cert. from the GRO you will have a copy of a copy,one that was filled in by the Registrar so the handwriting & possibly spelling may be different.
jim
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Hi Jim
Yes, it is from the GRO. Thanks for that as I hadn't realised.
Slipper
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These Matthews in Newbold and Long Lawford are my family. It is fairly confusing because Long Lawford was in the parish of Newbold on Avon.
Richard Matthews (1745) who married Dorothy Macwheber 19 Oct 1769 was the son of my ancestors William Matthews (1702) and Mary Brown.
John Matthews who married Ann Vann was the son of William Matthews (1769) and Sarah Baggott. John had a brother William (1791) who is my ancestor.
William (1769) was the son of George Matthews (1742) and Mary Liggins (alias Checkland) George was Richard's brother.
When you looking at the Elizabeths I agree the things are much more confusing. Elizabeth daughter of William Richard and Dorothy would have been 33 when she had the illegitimate son Thomas. She would have been 38 when and if she married William Mawby.
Do they have any children whose births are consistent with this marriage late in life?
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Thank you for this. I have Elizabeth down as the daughter of Richard & Dorothy rather than William & Dorothy - I'll have to go back and check. Elizabeth Matthews and William Mawby had 2 children, William born 1817 and John born 1818. Her age at her death in October 1847 is given as 69 but in the 1841 census it is given as 56. I think in all probability she is the Elizabeth of 1776 although I don't know whether she gave birth to Thomas. Also I don't know what happened to him.
Was your ancestor, William, the one who married Bathsheba Drackley? Also, just to satisfy my curiosity, have you any idea why we have Liggins alias Checklands and Checklands alias Liggins? I don't think I've come across this before.
Thanks
Slipper
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Sorry! Its Richard and Dorothy that was my error.
The ages of the children are obviously possible and so it could be the right Elizabeth. I had her son Thomas in my notes but not a marriage to William Mawby.
Yes, Bathsheba Drakeley was my gt gt Grandmother.
Mary Liggins (alias Checkland) was the daughter of William Checkland Liggins and Elizabeth nee Fennell. I haven't chased this but I suspect that I need to look closer at the marriage history of William's mother if I can find her. He was probably either illegitimate or there was a second marriage.
If you want more on the Matthews family (or the Drakeleys) pm me with an email address and I will send you a summary document of what I know.
David
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Hi David
More info. on the Matthews' would be much appreciated. I don't have any direct connection with the Drakeley family, I just thought Bathsheba had a wonderful name!
I am wondering if Thomas (1809) could be the son of Elizabeth (1771) as I can't find a burial and knowing that Elizabeth (1776) stayed in the village I would have expected Thomas to have appeared in one of the censuses.
Slipper
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Hi Slipper
I have just caught up on all the new information, so no mention of a Mawby on the certificate ??? How about an address does that tie in with any census info you have?
Interesting the mention of a Sarah Burton though as I had come across this ...............
1851 H0107 2069 137 29 - Civil Parish Long Lawford - Address Lawford Hill
Transcribed as Kurton but I think it looks like Burton
Sarah Burton Head Widow 57 Long Lawford - Field Woman
Elizabeth Clark daugh unmar 25 Long Lawford - at home
there is an Elizabeth Clark 15 living just above Elizabeth Mawby in 1841 ............... I wonder, could she be the same girl?
And an Elizabeth Clarke Servant in Newbold on Avon on the 14 Sept 1851 baptized her son a John Frederick Clarke
Maybe this could be Sarah Burton in 1841 not far from the Mawby family .............
Susannah Burton 68 Carpenters Widow
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Sarah Burton 44 Carpenters Widow
James 9
Emma 7
All born in County
And to add I also came across this which I thought worthy of a mention ..................
Marriage of a William Burton Bachelor and Sarah Clarke Spinster in the Parish of St Michael Coventry 29 July 1832 both of this Parish (although if I remember this correctly they would only need to be there for abt 3wks to make this claim) married by Banns - Witnesses Wm Bird? and Mary Clarke
Forgive me if you have this already but as I mentioned earlier I do love a good puzzle ;D
All the very best
Z :)
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to recap,this is how it seems to pan out to me:
William Mawby married Elizabeth Matthews.
They had 2 sons:William b.1817 & John b.1819.
John Mawby married Charlotte Burton b.1822 who were witnesses at Mary Clarke's marriage to Joseph Batchelor.
Prior to marriage Mary Clarke had 2 children:Frederick Clarke AKA Mawby (1841 cen.) b.1836/41 & Ellen Clarke AKA Mawby (1861 cen.) b.1844.
John & Charlotte Mawby's son was a witness at Ellen's marriage to John Lake.
Mary Clarke was the daughter of Thomas Clarke who had possibly 2 more children John (witness at John Mawby's marriage) & Elizabeth who also had an illegitimate child John b.1851.
It looks like William Mawby was probably the father of Mary Clarke's children.
There's a death for a William Mawby 1843 Rugby.
A possible scenario is that Mary was waiting around for a proposal from William which never came having already had one child Frederick who was being looked after by the Mawby's while Mary worked.
William may then have died in 1843 while Mary was pregnant with Ellen & having her christened after his death as a Mawby because he couldn't object and/or the Mawby's may have wanted her christened in that name as a memorial.his christian name wouldn't have been put on because they weren't married & he wasn't there to give permission.Now knowing that a marriage wasn't going to happen she married someone else.
jim
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Hi Z & Jim
Thanks so much for continuing to help with this as it really sustains me when I think I'm going mad! Regarding the death cert. for Frederick Clarke, there is no address - just Long Lawford.
I think your finds re the Burtons & Clarkes really interesting. I know that a William Burton married a Susannah Hill in Newbold (1802). They had several children, one of which was James Hill (1804) and one of which was William (1805). I believe it was this William who married Sarah (of the census) and I suspect the probability is that it was Sarah Clarke. William and Sarah had 2 children baptised at Newbold - James Hill (1834) & Emma Bliss(?) (1835). Further a William Burton was buried at Newbold 1.5.1841 aged 32 and from Long Lawford. Unfortunately I can't find a baptism for Elizabeth Clarke. I looked in both Newbold and Coventry St. Michael's (long shot). However, Sarah can't have been the mother of Mary Clarke because Mary gives the name of her father as Thomas Clarke and Sarah wasn't married to a Clarke.
Regarding Jim's conjecture, I don't know who the William Mawby is who died in 1843 but maybe all of this is nothing to do with my Mawby's!! William Mawby who married Elizabeth Matthews died 1829, aged 42, and his son William (who married Susannah Mary Hay in 1849) died in 1854. Also, I don't know that Ellen Mawby ever referred to herself as Ellen Clarke. At her baptism, in all of the censuses and at her marriage she was Ellen Mawby. Was she Ellen Clarke? I think I'll go and do the crossword!
Slipper
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I've spent some time lookin at the Clarke family again. I think I've found the baptism of Elizabeth - she was named Betsy - at Newbold 14.9.1823.
So, in 1841 census we have 3 Clarkes: 1) William 2) Thomas 3) Sarah. In the preceding generation there were 2 Clarke couples - John & Elizabeth and John & Mary so William, Thomas and Sarah could be siblings, cousins or no relation. Elizabeth is the daughter of Sarah but where Mary fits in I don't know.
An interesting find is the birth registration of Ellen Elizabeth Clarke in Rugby 1844. I don't know how I missed this before but I'm following it up.
Slipper
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Good Morning Slipper
How was the crossword ;D
I have tried and failed to find anything conclusive which would link the Mawby and Clarke family ???
Considering the coverage of Warwickshire information online etc etc I would like to think that something would have turned up but nothing - so I am beginning to wonder whether there was a link at all ::)
Forgive me but could Mary have been illegitimate or abandoned and Elizabeth Mawby only having two sons William and John(possibly three, Thomas) took in Mary and brought her up as one of her own - although there does not appear to be a baptism for Mary in Newbold she clearly considered herself to be from that area as she is consistent with her birthplace in the census, she married in Newbold, she baptised her children there and eventually returned to the area to live but why no mention of a Thomas Clarke, other than on her marriage certificate, could she have fibbed?
My own g g grandmother lost her father when she was very young and turned up in a household under a different surname but was shown as this couples daughter - now I know she was not their daughter and her mother who eventually remarried kept the other children with her but she obviously could not support the entire family and let my g g grandmother "go", so maybe something similar happened.
An interesting find by the way Ellen Elizabeth Clarke - as I decided to look for Elizabeth Clarke and her son John Frederick Clarke and there does appear to be some name similiarites ...................
Freereg Marriage 16 June 1854 Coventry St Thomas Spon End George Payne 30 and Elizabeth Clarke 31 gives her fathers name as William Clarke labourer?
Just in case there are some Clarkes in Spon End that might be worth looking into which I think you will find here .....
1841 - H0107 1152 Book 12 Dist 25 Folio 26 Pg 2
1851 - H0107 2067 648 4
I could not find this couple in 1861 but there is census missing for Newbold, Little Lawford and Long Lawford and would also explain why I couldn't find Sarah Burton as according to Freereg she died in Newbold 1863 however I think this could be them in 1871 ....................
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RG10 3183 127 10 - Civil Parish Newbold - Address Holbrook? Cottage
George Payne Head mar 46 Stockton Warks - Police Constable
Elizabeth wife 47 Long Lawford
John F Payne son unmar 19 Long Lawford - Compositor
Charlotte daugh unmar 13 Long Lawford
Noah son 8 Long Lawford
Ellen 5 daugh Long Lawford
Freereg and family search have baptisms for the children of George and Elizabeth but I cannot find a baptism for a John F Payne amongst them although I have found his death .........
10 Sept 1871 Long Lawford - John Frederick (son of George and Elizabeth) Pain - 20
So John Frederick Clarke baptised a Clarke but went by the name of Payne/Pain?
Oh well I think I shall go and do the crossword too ;D
All the best
Z :)
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Going back to the original posting. Does anyone have any more details of the William Mawby who married Elizabeth Matthews.
I am particularly interested in the names of his parents, his date of birth/baptism and the precise date and place of William and Elizabeth's marriage. Is anything known about his occupation?
David
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Does this family fit in with this line?
Thomas Webb bapt 23 Jun 1811 Newbold on Avon. An Agricultural Labourer who married Sarah Clarke at Brinklow 1 29 Nov 1830. (She was born at Brinklow c1812) They lived in Long Lawford in 1841 In 1851 and 1861 he was an agricultural labourer living in Long Lawford but by 1871 he was a labourer at the lime works. In 1881 they were both lime burners living in Long Lawford. He died Q3 1884 age 76 and she died Q4 1886 age 76. Children:
William Webb bapt Newbold on Avon 30 Oct 1831
Betsey Webb bapt 15 Sep 1833 Long Lawford married (1) 13 Mar 1854 in Newbold on Avon to Joseph Matthews (2) John Round 11 Feb 1868 and they had 6 more children She died in Long Lawford in 1893
Thomas Webb bapt 6 Mar 1836 Newbold on Avon. He died Q1 1839 Rugby D.
Thomas Webb born 1843 Long Lawford
Joseph Matthews who was the first husband of Betsy Webb was the son of William Matthews and Bathsheba Drakely
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Hi David
William Mawby married Elizabeth Matthews at Newbold 21.2.1814. The marriage was witnessed by John Matthews. William was able to sign his name. I know nothing about William's ancestors or where he was born. At the marriage he was 'of this parish'. On the death certificate of Elizabeth, she was described as 'widow of William Mawby, labourer'. I have sometimes wondered if his family were non-conformist. My grandfather (his g grandson) was baptist and his son, William, married Susannah Hay (nee Bicknell) whose father I believe was a non-conformist minister. As William died in 1829 we have scant information about him. If you discover anything, I would love to know.
I don't know about Sarah Clarke of Brinklow but if I find anything I'll let you know.
Slipper
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Hi Z
You do have the most interesting finds and I don't know how you manage to read the 1851 census for Long Lawford which I find almost totally illegible on Ancestry. Incidentally, on the marriage cert. of William Burton & Sarah Clark could you understand what William signed after his name - was it 'Junior'?
What you suggest about the Mawby - Clarke connection is quite possible. I keep going back to the 1861 census where we discover that Ellen's mother is Mary Batchelor and from there go to Mary Clarke and Joseph Batchelor. It is quite possible that Mary Mawby abandoned her child, Ellen, who was then befriended by Mary Batchelor nee Clarke.
Your find on Elizabeth Clarke & George Payne is interesting - right age, pity about the father. ( I wonder if they had common law marriages then when the woman took the mans name even though they weren't legally married. If this were so, then Sarah might never have been a Clarke at all - or dare we not contemplate this.) The only thing that worries me is that John Frederick Payne was born 10 years after John Frederick Clarke and 2 years before Elizabeth and George were married. Does naming 2 children born out of wedlock the same name seem a touch lacking in originality? Maybe she just liked the names.
Slipper
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Hi Slipper
My apologies if I have misunderstood your reply but I am not suggesting that Mary abandoned her daughter Ellen but Mary herself was possibily illegitimate/abandoned and that Elizabeth Mawby took her in and hence Mary Clarke took on the surname of Mawby, she baptised her son Frederick in her true name of Clarke but he was shown in the census as Frederick Mawby, after his death she then baptised her daughter Ellen as a Mawby, perhaps Mary who was working away and as a single unmarried mother believed that if anything happened to her then maybe she might secure her daughters future by giving her the Mawby surname, making life a little easier, she then married Joseph Batchelor in her true name of Clarke, her fathers name of Thomas Clarke on the marriage certificate was possibly fabricated to hide the fact that she was actually illegitimate. And the same for Elizabeth Clarke and George Payne, if she was the daughter of Sarah Burton and born before she married William Burton maybe she too wanted to hide the fact that she was illegitimate and even though she gives her fathers name as William Clarke it was not uncommon for individuals to fabricate a name , usually with their mothers maiden name, or they would name their grandfather or even an uncle as their father.
And just to clarify John Frederick Clarke son of Elizabeth Clarke was baptised in 1851 and the John Frederick Payne found in 1871 with George and Elizabeth was 19 - I think he is the same boy.
Sorry but I am not sure what William signed next to his name - it could be Junior? Maybe you might consider attaching that particular section on the deciphering board so that another rootschatter will be able to help ;D
Again, my apologies if I was unclear I have thought about so many scenarios in order to explain a possible reason for the interchangeable name of Mawby and Clarke and this is only conjecture but I think that Mary Clarke and Mary Mawby are the same person.
All the very best Slipper
Z ;D
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Good morning Z
Forgive my addled brain re John Frederick - I had written down his DoB as 10 years earlier then it was. I am sure you are right that they are the same family.
Regards Mary Mawby, I had understood your theory and was just adding another possibility which would allow for Mary Mawby and Mary Clarke being two different people. I rather think that unless the birth certificate for Ellen Elizabeth Clarke comes up with any treasures or I discover more about William Mawby's family then we are unlikely to discover the truth. Anyway, the journey is often more interesting than reaching the destination and I haven't quite given up yet.
Slipper
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Hello Jim and Z
You were both right - Mary Clarke and Mary Mawby were the same person! I have received the birth certificate for Ellen Elizabeth Clarke born 26.1.1844. She was born in Long Lawford and her mother was Mary Clarke. Her father was John Edwards who was an inspector of carriages at Rugby railway station!
I am very grateful for your help. I would never have got there without your research and inspiration.
Thanks
Slipper
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A bit of a rarity having the father's name,usually that bit's left blank.
jim
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Fascinating thread, and I am sorry this doesn't contribute at all but..... I recall a Gordon Mawby as a train driver based at Rugby in the 1990s. I think he had been divorced and remarried a Phillipine bride.
The railway servant link between Gordon and this thread was what interested me.
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Hi Slipper
That is fantastic news ;D ;D
Forgive me but I had to take a look ;D
I wonder whether this is your man ...........................
1841 H0107 1137 Bk17 Dist16 F27 Pg8 - Civil Parish Rugby - Address Rugby Old Station
John Edwards 25 Not born in County - Porter
Well all the very best
Z ;D
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Hello Wyrlebart
I have a reasonable knowledge of Rugby Mawbys up until about 1950 but I don't know Gordon. Maybe he wasn't from the Rugby area initially. If you have any earlier information on him I'll be pleased to help if I can.
Hi Z
Thanks very much for info on John Edwards. It very much sounds as if he is the man!
As an amusing aside - whilst I was waiting for the Ellen birth certificate I decided to forget the Clarkes and look at any earlier Mawbys I could find. I looked at the marriage at Newbold of Mary Murbe and Richard Benn in 1807 and who was the witness? You guessed it - John Clarke. Perhaps some link will appear in the fulness of time.
Slipper
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I realize that this link has been completed, but my g g g grandparents were William Mawby and Elizabeth Matthews and I have read all the 17 pages of everyones thoughts and wondered if anyone can help me.
- Did anyone find out who William Mawby's parent were?
- Could Frederick have been the son of one of William's sons, William or John and not William senior?
- Richard Mathews, 1745 was said to have married Dorothy Macwheber in 1769. I cannot find any Macwheber's anywhere and wondered who found this and where they got this information.
- behindthefrogs wrote on Feb 10, 2012 that Elizabeth, daughter of Richard and Dorothy would have been 38 when she married William Mawby, but according to me Elizabeth's dob was 1786, which would have made the marriage date as 1824 not 1814 and William jr was born 1817, john born 1819.
I'm a novice at this and am using findmypast.com as well as freereg, but I am at a loss to know where you find all this information. Are there any other free websites I can use?
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The information comes from the Newbold on Avon parish register. It was put together long before such information was available on-line. I don't have records as to which pieces of information were gathered by each individual researcher but we did at the time confirm each others conclusions. I was mainly using the extracted entries in the IGI which of course was mainly constructed from the bishops transcripts.
Elizabeth Matthews was baptised 5 May 1776 which is consistent with her four known siblings who were baptised between 1770 and 1782 and an age of 38 at her marriage on 21 Apr 1814. She actually had an illegitimate son Thomas who was baptised in 1809 and the fact that no further children have been identified after 1818 seems to confirm her age.
Richard (bapt 1745) who married Dorothy was the brother of my direct ancestor George (bapt 1742).
The marriage comes from the parish register but unfortunately in 1814 there was no space in the register for parents names.
I have an extensive tree for this Matthews family and no record of the name Frederick being used before the 19th century. However there might have been a child baptised elsewhere or just missing from the register.
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Hello diamondnes
William Mawby is my ggg grandfather also and my line goes from him through John, Alfred and William. I have been putting information together for a long time and will be happy to help you if I can. I don't know if you have used the familysearch website but it is well worth a look.
I don't know the parents of William Mawby and rather doubt that I will ever be able to prove it conclusively one way or another. It is of interest that he wa literate and spelt his name 'Mauby' and as there were Maubys in Braunston at the time of his birth, I wonder if he was from there.
I am sure that Frederick was Frederick Clarke, the son of Mary Clarke. The confusion that we unravelled in this puzzle was that Mary, although described as Mary Mawby at the time of the baptism of her daughter Ellen, was in fact Mary Clarke. She must have had some close connection with William and Elizabeth Mawby (perhaps she lived with them) but there is no reason to believe that Frederick was the son of a Mawby.
I have never been able to find any other Macwheber. I wonder if her name was spelt wrongly in the church records.
Regarding the age of Elizabeth, her death certificate gives her age as 69 at her death in 1847 which would take us back to 1777/78. Ages were often a bit confused so I think the 1776 baptism is almost certainly the right one.
Hope this helps
Slipper
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I am related to the Drakeleys and Matthew s . I am a bit stuck on my Green connection. If anyone as any information on them please let me know. I have Romani on my mother's side and I think my dads side with who is mentioned as Romani too. I am gedmatch.com my number is A051214. Nais tuke
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Hello Charlie
I don't think I can help you as, although I have a Matthews, I don't have any Drakeleys or Greens although I know Bathsheba Drakeley married one of the Matthews family. Maybe if you could give some information on how much you know about your Green family then someone could help.
Slipper
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Bathsheba and William Matthews are my 4th great grandparents. My line comes down through their son William. He married Jane Pettifer. Their child Rhoda my 2nd great grandparent, married Thomas Green.I am interested in the Drakeleys and Matthew s too . Thank you
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I have down that William Matthews Sr his father was Thomas Matthews born Cornwall married Mary Liggings.
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Hi Charlie
I've looked up my records on the Matthews family and according to them, your Thomas Matthews who married Mary Liggins on 1.5.1788 in Newbold on Avon was the brother of my ancestor, Richard. I think they were both born in Long Lawford or Newbold and were baptised in Newbold. Thomas was baptised 16.12.1739 and was the son of William Matthews and Mary Brown who were married 9.12.1723 at Newbold. William was the son of John and Elizabeth Matthews. John was born in 1683 and was the son of John who was born in 1660. (Most of this is from the Newbold on Avon church records).
I don't know much about the Drakeley family other than they appear to be from Nuneaton and Bathsheba was the daughter of William Drakeley and Hannah Dewell. Bathsheba and William lived in Long Lawford until their deaths.
I don't know much about the Green family either other than your Thomas was the son of Thomas (born about 1835 in Bletsoe, Bedfordshire) and Elizabeth (who was born about 1837 in Riseley, Bedfordshire). In 1871 they were living in Stoke Albany, Northamptonshire.
Hope this is of some help.
Slipper