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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: JayKay52 on Saturday 28 January 12 06:04 GMT (UK)
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William Kenealy married Ellen O'Neill and they had at least one child, David Kenealy born 1858/59. We have David's birth certificate showing Wiliam and Ellen as his parents from Waterford or possibly Cork. David came to Australia and married Matilda Robertson here. We do not know if William came out too or if he stayed in Ireland or moved to UK or USA. We have no other dates or relative connections to search through. Could anyone please help with our Irish Roots. Thanks
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What location(s) does the baptism record state? Please give details.
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Sorry have made an error, it is not birth certificate of David that we have it is his marriage certificate to Matilda Robertson shows David was born in Waterford Ireland. His father being William Kenealy and mother Ellen O"Neill. Davids death certificate shows he was born Kilkenny Ireland.
We have followed the family down through David however cannot locate anything on William as we do not have any dates. Apparently William was a grocer.
Any assistance you could provide would be very much appreciated. Sorry to have confused the issue.
Cheers John
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There is a William Kenealy and Ellen O'Neill having children in the parish of TEMPLEORUM (RC), Co.Kilkenny can look at these on www.rootsireland.ie they are pay for view. Don't seem to be any David but his baptism may have not be recorded. TEMPLEORUM is close to Co.Waterford.
Castlemcauliffe
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Hi Castlemcauliff,
Thank you thank you thank you!!
We have searched all over roots ireland and never came up with any of it. We purchased several views to no avail.
Could you please let us know how you found them, what criteria you used for a search, we are mystified.
We have tried everything and every combination we can think of but obviously are doing something wrong.
Do you have a year that we cold look for or any other info that we can put into our search.
We still cant find anything.
Thanks for all your assistance, very much appreciated. Cheers John
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Catherine Kenealy Year: 1841 TEMPLEORUM (RC)
Michael Kenealy Year: 1839 TEMPLEORUM (RC)
James Kenealy Year: 1846 TEMPLEORUM (RC)
They are all a bit too early to be David siblings unless there was a large family and David was one of the youngest was common for families to have children born for 20 years or more.
If you go on www.rootsireland.ie and they select Co.Kilkenny then baptisms/births and advanced search
Parish: TEMPLEORUM (RC) and father name William Kenealy and mother Ellen O'Neill.
By the way the name was probably spelled Kenneally/Kenealy
Castlemcauliffe
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Castlemcauliffe, you are a wonder!!!
thank you for spending your time and energy searching on our behalf, it is very very much appreciated. We are in Australia and only stumbled upon this site a couple of days ago after searching ancestry and roots ireland for weeks for anything on William and Ellen. You have been amazing.
The details seem to fit with the time lines we have and many of our ancestors had second marriages, had big gaps between the ages of the children 20 years is nothing and many wives had husbands 28 years older than themselves so it would not surprise us to find a big gap between Michael and David.
We will cautiously add them to our tree and follow up more on the birth/baptism records, maybe buy some of the original copies of the certificates to see if there is more info on them.
Now to start looking for William and Ellens Parents/siblings etc.
You have helped us enormously in our search, thank you again. Cheers John & Lesley
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Hope it works out for you let me know :)
Castlemcauliffe
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Hi Castlemcauliff,
Just an update on our search, we found the records you mentioned and think that there is a possibility that theses are the right relatives, however we are having difficulty finding and record of marriage of william and ellen or birth of David.
Another source indicated that David had a brother who married someone unknown and they had two daughters both of whom became nuns. One named Anastasia kenealy who became known as Sister Baptista and name of the other unknown. They immigrated to Australia and our source had contact with sister Baptista and unfortunately cannot give any more information.
Would you have any ideas on how we go about this search, we have looked for Anastasia and drawn another blank.
Any assistance would be appreciated, Cheers John
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Did you purchase the records that you found did they give a townland and witnesses?
Do you have any approximate dates for the life of Anastasia birth, emigration, death and where in Australia did they all live?
Will keep looking myself in the mean time
Castlemcauliffe
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There are funeral details here for Sisters Baptista and Brendan Kenneally: http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
It might be useful to contact the congregation they belonged to as congregations often keep records about their members.
This entry seems to fit with Templeorum mentioned earlier:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Templeorum/Garryduff/564259/
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Good find Sonas and according to www.rootsireland.ie Thomas in 1911 census father was William.
In the 1850 Griffiths Valuation of Garryduff there are two Kinealy's households recorded in Garryduff with the heads Thomas and Patrick Kinealy. (One of these is probably William's father)
If you look on www.eircomphonebook.ie there is still a Thomas Kenneally living in Garryduff (think this is same townland as census) and there also a few more Kenneally's of interest in phone book in area.
In the 1901 Census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Templeorum/Garryduff/1446825/
In 1901 Ellen Kenealy/Kenneally/Kinealy nee O'Neill is still alive aged 80 and says she was born in Tipperary.
Castlemcauliffe
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Hi Sonas, thank you for the links and information your have sent to us, we will follow up and see where everything fits, much appreciated.
Hi Castlemcauliffe,
Yes we purchased the records for the three Michael, Catherine & James you found and the details:
Michael Kinnelly, born 24/7/1839
William Kinnelly Father & Ellen O'Neil Mother. Witnessed by David Buler & Ellen Shea, Address Garryduff, Parish of Templeorum
Catherine Kenealy born 19/10/1841
William Kenealy father, Ellen Neal Mother
Witnessed by John Commerford & Mary Kenealy
Address Garryduff Parich Templeorum
James Knealy born 7/7/1846
William Knealy father & Ellen o'Neill Mother
Witness Patrick Kenealy & Ellen Malone
Address GArryduff, Parish Templeorum
Have no other info on Anastasia, but looks like might be in the links Sonas has found. Still to follow up.
Thanks for the links to the phone book and the census etc.
I think that with the different spellings we may have missed a lot of information so will go through everything again just to make sure we are on the right track. What you have given us has been most helpful and in our search we have come across Kenealy Mcauliffes so we might be distant connections.
Have spent much time searching and I think that being new to the search we certainly were not aware of some of the places you have guided us to.
Looking at the details of Ellen Kenealy/O'Neil you have mentioned, if she was 80 in 1901 then she would have been born in 1921 with Michael born in 1839 she would have been 18 and David in 1858 she would have been 37 which certainly fits the time line we have.
Will dig deeper and deeper and again your help has been very much appreciated. Would not have known where to look without your help.
Cheers John
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Hi Castlemcauliff,
You have been so helpful to us in our search and we would like to prevail upon your patience further, when we go into roots ireland and search for the various people such as Wiliam Ellen or Thomas for example, what other information do you key in to bring up the info that in 1911 census that Thomas father was William, when we do same we get a huge number of thomas's. Obviously we are not doing it correctly. Could you please enlighten us?
Thank you John
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Hi Sonas,
We have looked at the notices for the sisters that you sent us and they appear to fit the time line too so we are going to follow through further and see if we can connect Thomas & David Kenealy as brothers.
Thanks for your links, we are very grateful. Cheers John
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Hi Castlemcauliff,
You have been so helpful to us in our search and we would like to prevail upon your patience further, when we go into roots ireland and search for the various people such as Wiliam Ellen or Thomas for example, what other information do you key in to bring up the info that in 1911 census that Thomas father was William, when we do same we get a huge number of thomas's. Obviously we are not doing it correctly. Could you please enlighten us?
Thank you John
Hi again :) If you go to marriages for TEMPLEORUM (RC) (filter for this only) Thomas Kenneally is getting married in 1899 and if you do an advanced search with William as his father as first name it shows a positive result.
Castlemcauliffe (I have many of my McAuliffe's in Australia by the way)
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Wow, I was just checking my email again to find the links you gave us and as I was looking at the screen your message appeared...spooky! Thanks again, you have no idea how you have helped us. Will try the search as you suggest and go from there. Will keep you posted. Cheers John
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Garryduff, Piltown, Co.Kilkenny is very close to Co.Tipperary and Co.Waterford. And is counted as the Parish of Owning and also the Parish of TEMPLEORUM at different stages.
If Ellen O'Neill was born in Tipperary they might have married in her home parish. But can't find any such marriages to match in Tipperary or Kilkenny.
Might be worth writing a letter to those in phone book. I currently live less than half a hour from the area in question.
Castlemcauliffe
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In Bassett's Kilkenny Guide & Directory 1884 there is a William Kenneally listed for Garryduff, PILTOWN AND FIDDOWN this is from one of the research sites that I use. There is also a David Kenneally listed in the townland of Garryduff for the same directory in 1884 would he still be living there in 1884 before going to Australia? he would be 25/26 years old your David?
Castlemcauliffe
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Hi Castlemcauliff,
We have searched the Tipperary/Kilkenny areas for Ellens marriage etc to no avail, I am sure something will turn up.
Great thought- we will certainly write to those you have suggested.
As for David Kenealy, according to his death certificate, he died 1934 and on the certificate he was reported to have lived in Australia for 55 years which would then mean he arrived in 1879 if the details are correct. We thought that the length of time 55 years may have been a guesstimate.....
He was married in Aust in 1886 so there is the possibility it might be the same person.
Your mention of David in Garryduff in the Bassetts guide is the first David to have been found in searches.
Again thank you for your persistence and patience with us, much appreciated.
As an aside, do you think it would be worth our purchasing Bassetts if we can find a copy, my wifes family will be even harder to trace - most are Kellys and Durneys of Ireland of course. Or this might be easier!
We are certainly enjoying the research and the knowledge we are gaining from looking for our ancestors.
Cheers John
Cheers John
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You might never find some of the records like David's baptism or the marriage of William and Ellen some records were never recorded or the priest at the time may have taken them with him when he left parish or they were simply destroyed at some stage also it is around famine time/penal laws so administration was the last thing on a lot of people's minds.
I wonder is there any truth in the grocer story the rest seem to be farmers. David in 1884 is down as a farmer. Perhaps they ran a small grocer shop in Garryduff at one time. Or William may have lived in a local town like on Carrick on Suir at some stage.
Castlemcauliffe
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Don't know if you're still looking, but this
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG6G-ZG4
might give you ideas - Anastasia was often shortened to Stacia or Stasia.
Also, this might give you some leads:
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/kilkenny-news/brian-kenealy-a-life-in-print-1-6074458
I'm looking for a little information on a different William Kenealy, a Kilkenny man who was strong in the Gaelic League in the 1900s; he lived in the city of Kilkenny then, and was a journalist, according to the 1901 census of Ireland. I'm wondering if he married; a later letter has him engaged to a rather well-off fiancee.
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This looks good for his will
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
William Maxwell Kenealy Retired Journalist
Died 4 Jan 1942
34 Marguerite Rd. Glasnevin
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1939 reg of Electors has him at same address with Florence and two possible children who would have to be over 21 to appear on same list,Teresa and Kieran.
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Came across this while googling his name
K Scoop ,Alphabetical Journalist Index
Gives biography of a William Maxwell Kenealy
I think you have to join up to view same.
Sorry unable to make link.
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Glasnevin trust shows burial for William 1942 and Florence 1963 age 77.
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Hi,
The William and Florence you refer to were my grandparents. Their son Kieran was my father. William's father, also William, was in fact born in Cloyne, Co Cork but was Lord Mayor of Kilkenny twice - 1872 & 1873. He was very heavily involved in the Land Leagues. He married a Rose Maxwell and had fourteen children. William, my grandfather was the last born shortly before his father died.
PetK
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Hi Petk,
I live in Cloyne, Co Cork and recently came across a photo of my family and I where a plaque was erected circa 1990 for William Kenealy in Cloyne. I've always known I was related to William Kenealy as my mother used to constantly sing - The Moon Behind The Hill. Love that song...so William is my great great great granduncle I believe...My grandfather was William O Brien also from Cloyne. So we are related it seems! I know my mother (Catherine) visited Kilkenny quite a bit back and met with relatives.
Wishing you all the best for the new year.
:)
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Hi Eledan,
Nice to hear the old photographs are still turning up. You don't say who is in the photograph. I attended the unveiling of the plaque to William Kenealy who was my great grandfather. I remember being introduced to an O'Brien family when I was in Cloyne - your family I presume. Are you sure William was your great great great great granduncle? - sounds too many "great'' to me. Looking forward to hear from you again.
PetK
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Hi Petk,
I may have one too many 'great's there but I was going by what my mother advised! The pic I have is one with only family members that I recognise..so my immediate family and aunts and grandmother...I'm 32 now and I am guessing it is approx 23/24yrs ago....this sounds terrible but I can go and check in the morning as to the date it was erected as I only live 100m away from the erected plaque. It's a small world really. I have been trying to gather stories from my family so they are not lost as time passes....the family trees are in existence but it's the stories that I am trying to correlate.
I can send you that pic if you wish...let me know....my email is elewalsh14@gmail.com..
Thanks,
Eleanor