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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: ZIGSHAR on Sunday 29 January 12 03:43 GMT (UK)
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I'm currently trying to trace the Ball family who lived on Milbourne Ave, Drumcondra as seen in the 1901 and 1911 Census. My Grandad Charles Ball was one of 9 children in that household born to James and Sarah. The family of Charles is still very well connected between Ireland,England, Canada and Australia but we wonder where the decendents of the other children in that family may be. We were told that Mary Ball emigrated to the USA (year unknown). Curious if anyone out there may be connected.
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A slightly different occupation for James, but it looks like the family still lived at Millbourne Avenue in Thom's 1914 as follows :
James Ball, dairy, Hollywell cottage
There are similar listings in 1921 and 1930 for a Jas. Ball, but there are no sign of them at Millbourne in 1938.
Shane
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Thanks very much Shane. Appreciate your time :)
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James Ball and Sarah Mc Donnell Ball, Millbourne Avenue, Drumcondra are my husbands great grand parents. His grandparents are Joseph Gilligan and Mary Caroline Ball, His mother was Patricia Gilligan. He is John Joseph Donohoe. For more information contact me.
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Marriage for Jacobus Ball 13 Langrish Place & Sarah McDonnell 17 lr Sherrard St. 7th Nov 1875
Parish of St Agatha Dublin. Father Joannes Ball & Jacobi McDonnell.
Priest EE Quaid. Witnesses Thomas McKinley & Maria Anna Jordan.
Baptism of James Peter Ball, Melbourne Aveneue. Parish Church St Andrew Dublin 6th June 1880 :)
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Thank you for the information but I have the marriage cert for James and Sarah and the birth record for James. The family search record records the birth for James Peter as the 26th of June 1880 but this could be mistake.
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Hi
I am interested in John Joseph Donohoe.
My John Joseph married a Margaret Caffrey in the Pro Cathedral in 1894. At the time of his marriage he was living on Upper Dorset Street.
Is this John Joseph in your husbands family tree ?
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Sorry, your John Joseph is not a member of my tree.
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this might be helpful found on Family Search.org
Name JOHN JOS O DONOHOE MARGT CAFFREY
Address 15 UP DORSET ST 108 SUMR HILL
Occupation N/R N/R
Father JOHN O DONOHOE PATRICK CAFFREY
Mother MARGT O DONOHOE MARY BRUCE
Priest DANL DOWNING
Witness 1 LUKE COLLIN
Witness 2 ROSE O CALLAGHAN
st.mary's-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0364
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I think that O'Donohoe/Caffrey marriage is from the IrishGenealogy website rather than FamilySearch.
see : Marriage of John Jos O Donohoe & Margt Caffrey - 12 July 1894 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e72d760059774)
Parish : St. Mary's RC, Dublin City (Pro-Cathedral, Marlborough St.)
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oops! could be right. was sent to me.
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if ZIGSHAR is still around can you reply to lookforme re ball family
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My Crew is looking for Ball Family under another topic, Drumcondra Cemetery. I have tried to post a link to this topic on that one but, am not so good at that so maybe if I reactivate this thread My Crew will see it.
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Hi
I am a descendant of Thomas Dingle and Margaret Howard origns Baldoyle since 1760s and Fairfield ,Glasnevin their descendants are neighbours of the Ball family 1901 and 1911 including my grandmother Mary Kennedy age 12 staying with the Dingle's in 1901.
They had a son Thomas born circa 1867 and i was wondering if he is the same Thomas married to Jane Ball whos children appear on Irish Genealogy 1894 to 1899 and 1901 Census of 10 Cumberland St listed as
Thomas Dingle age 33
Jane age 32 nee Ball
Anne age 1
Anne Ball age 81 mother in law ,is this your James mother? by 1911 this family seem obliterated with two of the children buried Glasnevin Thos Joseph born 1898 died 3months Margaret born 1894 died 1898 age 3
Anne born 1899 may be at 12 Main St,Celbridge with a sister ? Kate in foster care? in 1911.
Thomas the father seems to be back with the Dingle family in Findlater St in 1911 but he has'nt aged much since 1901
Jane appears to be buried in Glasnevin in 1909 age 37.
any thoughts on this connection or just coincidence.
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Ran a search on Family search and found a Jane Ball born 1869 dtr of John Ball and Anne Kearns at Cody Lane Either Thomas Dingle or one or two of his siblings were born at Cody Lane in the 1860s.
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I noticed that by the 1911 census James Ball is married to Kate and living with son James 2 years at 15 Millbourne Avenue. His remaining family are living at number 9 Millbourne Ave and again the Dingle connection with John Dingle aged 9 living at number 9 with perhaps his father Christopher living with the Kennedy's at number 11.
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That link to Cody Lane is exciting.
Found on Irish Genealogy, Mary Ball, Glasnevin, born 8/12/1858, baptised St Michans 13/12/1858,
parents John Ball and Anne Kearns
and Anne Josephine Ball address incorrect as Cony Lane born 18/11/1863 baptised 20/11/1863 St Michans.
James Ball is 64 in the 1911 census estimated birth 1847 and he gives his birth Place as Glasnevin, he could be the eldest child of your Anne Ball.
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Had a good fiddle around on Irish Genealogy and Family Search and have come to the possible conclusion that these are all related through Kearns line,having members of Ball family as sponsors etc,some of the names have various spellings.
baptism Bridget Mary Wallbridge 1875 Cody Lane sponsors James Ball and Margaret Allen
George Wolderidge 1866 Cody Lane sponsors James and Ann Ball.
Children of Philip Allen and Mary Kearns on Irish Genealogy
and a possible step further up the Kearns Tree
Marriage of Catherine Kearns dtr of Andrew and Margaret Kearns ,Corry Lane to Owen Weldridge 1865.
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I have a marriage cert for Mary Ball, Father John Ball, Dairyman( a minor in 1875 when she married) William Mercer. This is most likely the same Mary Ball you found born 1858 which would make her 17/18 when she married.
James born 1847 is most likely her brother, he married Sarah Mc Donnell in Nov 1875, (have this cert)
John Dingle (9) on the Ball Family 1911 census is a (nephew) of the family, but not sure of who?'James or Sarah?
James and Sarah's son James, is the James Ball and Mary KATE O'Reilly you see in the 1911 census. The Ball family are all direct relatives of my husband. Mary Caroline Ball (known as Caroline) and daughter of James and Sarah,was my husbands grandmother. Love to know more about the Dingle connection.
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There is a possibility as Jane Ball/Dingle did'nt die till 1909 that she could be John Dingle's mother,and if she is the sister of James senior would make John nephew.
Birth Dublin North
April June 1902 John Dingle
vol 2 page 473
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I started to get interested in this topic. I thought by reactivating it maybe my Crew or Zigshar might see the family connections.Dathai you have done such an amount of research which will be invaluable to them.
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Thank you Our Gang for re-activating this thread. I've been otherwise engaged but I will
get back to this ASAP.
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Positive connection Anne Ball To Dingle family and Ball family of Millbourne Ave
Anne Ball age 81? at 10.5 Cumberland St 1901 Census as mother in law to Thomas Dingle
Anne Ball age 78? buried Glasnevin 1910 with address of Millbourne Ave.
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John Ball age 62 buried Glasnevin 1895 from Millbourne Ave
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Did you know Sarah McDonnell's sister Maria McDonnell married a William Quin in St Agatas in Feb of 1876 giving her parents as James McDonnell and Sarah Moore of Celbridge.
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Just found this morning 1908/1910 Electoral Roll James Ball and Christopher Dingle given address as spelt
Millburn Lane.
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Just found these on new Irish Genealogy Site
John Dingle born 17 April 1902 mothers name Ball
Lizzie born 15 June 1904
Kathleen born 23 Aug 1905
Christina born 28 Dec 1907 all Dingle's with mothers name Ball
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Lizzie (Elizabeth) died 1904 buried Glasnevin
Christina age 3 Niece to Joseph Dingle at 11 Findlater St 1911.
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Irish Genealogy shows their other daughter Anne Eva Dingle born 29 Oct 1899 in Gloucester St side note by priest on church register married Richard Moore at SS Peter? and Joseph, Bedford,on 27 Oct 1920.
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You are on a roll Dathai. I must try and contact My Crew who would be interested. I am all morning on that new enhanced Irish Genealogy site.
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Yes Ourgang on it myself now that i've got the hang of it, even found an illigitimate birth that should rattle a few cages
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Wonder did Anne Eva and her husband come back to Dublin there are 5 births recorded from 1922 to 1937
as Moore/Dingle.
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See reply 18 page 3 this topic
Marriage St Mary's Pro Cathedral 15 Feb 1901
Michael O'Grady 121 Lr Gloucester St to
Mary Mercer 5 Lr Gloucester dtr of John Mercer and Anne Kearns 10 Cumberland St
Witnesses Thomas and Jane Dingle 10 NCumberland St
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1901 Census Return of 121 Lr Gloucester St
Michael O'Grady age 45 a Smith
Mary O'Grady age 42
James age 5 son
Cathrine Mercer age 20 step daughter
Hard to figure out this one?
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Aha figured it out
Mary Mercer is Actually Mary Ball a widow though she did'nt declare it on her marriage so her parents are John Ball and Anne Kearns,looking at the civil index for this marriage in Dublin North 1901 April June vol 2 page 511 brings back three matches Michael O'Grady,Mary Mercer and Mary Ball.
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Looks like William Mercer died Dublin North 1894.
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Baptism St Mary's Pro Cathedral 11 Nov 1895
James O'Grady of 4 Gloucester Place
Parents
Michael O'Grady and Mary Ball
sponsor Ellen Farrell.
married Bridget Keogh 27 Dec 1945 Rathmines
civil cert
Dublin South
Oct Dec 1945
vol 2 page 618.
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I have Mary and Williams marriage cert dated Aug 5th 1875, parish of St George, Dublin. William was a servant and lived at 3 Mountjoy Square. Williams father was a butler. Mary's father John, a Dairyman. I also have a birth records for Anna Mercer, 5 Oct 1876. Agnes Esther Mercer,4th April 1887, 16 Lower Drumcondra rd, Mary Theresa Mercer. 13th Oct 1878, and Margarita Mercer 15th Jan 1892, 71 Mespil Rd,
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As you know Kathleen and Catherine are interchangeable so there is this possible marriage in 1905
Daniel Fagan and Kathleen Mercer(there dosent appear to be any Kathleen Mercers on 1901 census)
marriage took place 13 Aug 1905 in Dublin North
1911 Census of 5.4 Clarence St North(Mountjoy)
Daniel Fagan age 27 a corn miller
Kathleen wife age 29 married 6yrs 3 born 3 alive
Tom son age 5
William age 4
Daniel age 2
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1911 census of Clarence St
number 5.3 Mary O'Grady age 53
5.4 Kathleen Fagan age 29
10.2 Thomas 60 and Margaret 50 Fagan ,Daniels parents.
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two more Fagan/Mercer births
Laurence 2nd May 1911
John 4th April 1914
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I came upon the Ball blog while looking for details of a John Dingle who was killed aged 26 in the 1st World War on the 3rd Nov 2014. I was fascinated reading through the Ball family lineage. I knew straight away before looking that there was a link with the Dingle family. Please see my Dingle family tree on ancestry.co.uk for further details. I also have a lot of other information from my cousin who still lives in Dublin. He is the son of my father's sister Elizabeth Dingle. My father was John Dingle. There are also connections between the Dingle family and the Hart, Murphy, Harley, Weir and Callan families.
With Kind regards
Brigitte Dingle
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His will
http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/DingleJ_E66436.pdf
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Couldn't find your family tree on Ancestry can you give me some details where to look. Trying to put the family tree together for the Ball, Gilligan side of the family.
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Some info
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Queen_Street/100979/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Benburb_Street/1337954/
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/8280100069094
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Yipee found my great great grandparents marriage in Booterstown on the new register 13th Jan 1862
Thomas Dingle son of Patrick and Ellen Mooney of Baldoyle to
Margaret Howell dtr of Christopher and Maria Bride,Dundrum.
Wit
Peter Howell ,Dundrum and Honoria Cunningham,Dundrum.
Though the priest has clearly listed the name as Howell i know from all later records that their name is actually Howard also recorded on their headstone in Kilbarrick.
Have to thank either Gaffy or Hasta who directed me to the Booterstown Church about a year ago,my apologies i cant remember who.many thank's.
Dathai
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just came upon this marriage in St Paul's Arran Quay
John Dingle to Eliza Doyle 29th June 1845
right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633660#page/172/mode/1up
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To the lady who posted who I believe is the granddaughter of Charles Ball, after researching on ancestry.co.uk your Grandfather is the brother of my Grandfather Christopher Ball, Christopher went on to marry Marry and they had 4 boys Michael Ball,James Ball, Patrick Ball and Terence Ball who is my father so surprised to find out we have relatives we didn't even know about
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Hi
I am a descendant of Thomas Dingle and Margaret Howard origns Baldoyle since 1760s and Fairfield ,Glasnevin their descendants are neighbours of the Ball family 1901 and 1911 including my grandmother Mary Kennedy age 12 staying with the Dingle's in 1901.
They had a son Thomas born circa 1867 and i was wondering if he is the same Thomas married to Jane Ball whos children appear on Irish Genealogy 1894 to 1899 and 1901 Census of 10 Cumberland St listed as
Thomas Dingle age 33
Jane age 32 nee Ball
Anne age 1
Anne Ball age 81 mother in law ,is this your James mother? by 1911 this family seem obliterated with two of the children buried Glasnevin Thos Joseph born 1898 died 3months Margaret born 1894 died 1898 age 3
Anne born 1899 may be at 12 Main St,Celbridge with a sister ? Kate in foster care? in 1911.
Thomas the father seems to be back with the Dingle family in Findlater St in 1911 but he has'nt aged much since 1901
Jane appears to be buried in Glasnevin in 1909 age 37.
any thoughts on this connection or just coincidence.
Hi,
James Ball is my great grandfather, my grandfather is Christopher Ball living with the family at Millbourne avenue in 1911 census, do you know anything about the rest of the children in that house and where they went on to in life trying to find out more about my ancestors.
Kind regards,
Mary Ball
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Charles Ball married Teresa Farrelly April 30th 1911
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09949/5617140.pdf
might be this young lady though the children below have mothers name as Farrell.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_West/Union_Place/54242/
son Charles 1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01503/1610404.pdf
dont see an obvious death in between
son Charles 1914
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01404/1577216.pdf
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Does anyone have more info on the Mc Donnell family mentioned in the posts? I'm not sure how this site works as I would like to reply to dathi.
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Hi. I'm picking up a very old thread about the Ball and Dingle families.
I have far too much material to post in just one shot. It covers the families Ball, Dingle, Moore, O'Neill for over 10 generations and across 4 continents.
28/01/1894 Thomas Dingle married Jane Ball on (daughter of John Ball & Anne Ball - née Kearns). Amongst other children (Margaret - 17/11/1894, Mary Teresa - 01/08/1896, Thomas Joseph - 16/06/1897), they had Anne Eva (29/10/1899), Kathleen (23/08/1905) and Christine (28/12/1907).
Anne & Kathleen were placed in foster-care at Cellbridge, Co Kildare. Christine became a domestic servant in England.
Anne/Annie Eva (won a lottery & bought a shop & house) married Richard Moore in 1920. They were friendly with & entertained Joe Lawless, Sean T O'Casey, Dan Breen & Frank Aiken in their house on the North Circular Road (5 children: Maria/Maire, Kathleen/Kay, Carmel, Eamonn, Bernadette/Bernie). Later moved the shop to the Whitworth Rd & home to St Bridgids Rd.
Kathleen married Joseph/Joe McDermott in 1938 (no children).
Christine married Horace Gruby in 1942 (1 daughter, Patricia - married to John B Rose in 1964)
If any of this is of interest, let me know & I'll try to find time to post more.