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Title: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster COMPLETED
Post by: Nickie Stone on Sunday 29 January 12 10:30 GMT (UK)
Hi

I was wondering if anybody has been researching Richard Stone.

I have been trying to confirm his parents who I believe were Thomas Stone and Elizabeth Case.  There seems to be a few Richard Stone's born around this time, hence the problem.

Richard was married to Ellen Buglar, a school teacher, (bc 1810 Beaminster) in 1828 also in Beaminster.

Richard and Ellen were my third great grandparents though their son James Samuel (1851 - 1926).

Thank you,

Nickie
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: tina morana on Sunday 29 January 12 10:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Peeps
Richard,Ellen and kiddies are in 1851 census Beaminster Dorset/
Will try for 1841 for parents.

Tinam
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 29 January 12 12:42 GMT (UK)
For people trying to help;

1841 Census
Clampets,
Beaminster, Dorset
HO107/2980/1/Beaminster
John BUGLAR, 60, Labourer
Cathrine Buglar, 50, School Mistress
Ellen STONE, 30, School Mistress
John Stone, 7
George Stone, 5
Louisa Stone, 4
James Stone, 2
All born in County

By 1851 they have Charles 1842, Ellen 1845, Susan 1846 and in 1861, James Samuel 1853 and Emma 1854.
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: B.E. on Sunday 29 January 12 20:02 GMT (UK)
Hmmm. There seem to be one or two little mysteries here, including where Daddy was on Census Night in 1841!

I can see the Beaminster marriage between Thomas STONE and Elizabeth CASE in 1800, but the only offspring in the baptism registers appear to be girls! Susanna (1801), Rose (1804), Elizabeth (1806) and Maria (1810). It seems unlikely there was also a Richard in 1804.

I can't see the glut of Richard Stones to which you refer. The only one in the Beaminster baptism register appears to be the son of Richard & Esther in 1802. Where are you getting the others from?

I can see the 1806 marriage between John BUGLAR and Catherine COLE. There's an Eleanor, daughter of Henry & Catherine BUGLAR, b. 21st June 1809. Mistranscription??
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: tina morana on Monday 30 January 12 09:29 GMT (UK)
Hi  in 1841 census Richard could be Richd, surname mistranscribed, his age rounded off and working away from home???
He's a labourer so maybe working as a farm servant at the time?
No relationships given.
1861 census he's born 1803

Tinam

Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: Nickie Stone on Tuesday 31 January 12 11:25 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your replies.  It has been a while since I started to look for Richard.

B.E.  Thank you for pointing me in the right direction, I have now found his baptismal records as being the son of Richard and Esther, I can't find their marriage at the moment, but I'll keep looking.

Also a quick note on Ellen, there is a mistranscription, of her baptismal details, the handwritten notes definately state that her she is the daughter of John and Catherine Buglar.

Also where was Richard on census night in 1841?   I have put lots of different permutations of his name in searches, but he doesn't seem to want to be found.  There's a possible match living in Stokenham, Devon but born in Devon, but I've just remembered about the rounding of ages so I'll have another look.

Nickie
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: B.E. on Tuesday 31 January 12 15:52 GMT (UK)
So where/when was Richard Jnr baptised?
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: B.E. on Tuesday 31 January 12 15:53 GMT (UK)
Is he the 1802 one?
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: Nickie Stone on Wednesday 01 February 12 10:22 GMT (UK)
B.E.

Richard jnr was baptised on 22 September 1802 in Beaminster, son of Richard and Esther Stone of Netherbury, which you have already discovered.

The only marriage I have found so far for a Richard Stone and an Esther is in Cumnor, Berkshire, but I have found a daughter for them also born in 1802 and in Cumnor so I think this is the wrong marriage.
I haven't found any siblings for Richard jnr either.
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: B.E. on Wednesday 01 February 12 11:01 GMT (UK)
Jolly good! Just checking!

The 1841 Netherbury census has an Esther STONE, aged 69, living in Melplash with Samuel STONE, aged 70. I wonder if there's a typo in the Beaminster baptism transcription and father was Samuel all along?

Samuel STONE married Hester BUCKLER/BUCKLAND at Netherbury in 1799.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: Nickie Stone on Wednesday 01 February 12 11:11 GMT (UK)
Alas, on Ancestry there is an actual copy of the baptism in handwriting and it definitely reads as

22 Sept 1802 Richard of Richard and Esther Stone of Netherbury.

I'm only just beginning to appreciate the number of people with the surname Stone in the area ....

Thanks for checking though, it's much appreciated.

Nickie
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: Nickie Stone on Monday 06 February 12 14:16 GMT (UK)
Hi

It looks like Richard has been found on the 1841 census living at Carter's Cottages, Melcombe Regis.  He is aged 35 years and occupation given as M S, is this male servant?

We have also found the burials for his mother, Hester in March 1867 at St Mary's, Beaminster aged 85 and his wife Elenor, March 1882 aged 73.  They are both buried in the same plot, number 62, and there is a headstone (according to FindMyPast).

As yet we haven't found Richard snr's death, but would he have been buried in the same grave as his wife and daughter in law?

Are the graves in relatively good condition and would the grave be easy to find?

Nickie
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: B.E. on Monday 06 February 12 18:35 GMT (UK)
I have to pop down to Beaminster Museum tonight on other business. I'll have a quick butchers at the paper MIs while I'm there.

I can't find the 1841 census record to which you refer on Melcombe Regis OPC, but there are literally dozens of MS and FS occupations. I'm sure you're right that he was a male servant. Family Search suggests there was also a 35-year-old Rd Stone in Bridport on Census Night 1841 - which is much closer to Beaminster. But I can't find him either!
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: B.E. on Monday 06 February 12 22:56 GMT (UK)
The headstone on Plot 62 reads:

Sacred to the memory of
HESTER STONE
who departed this life March 26 1867
aged 85 years

Also of RICHARD son of the above
who departed this life June 22nd 1875
aged 72 years

Also of ELENOR wife of the above
who departed this life March 26 1882
aged 73 years

"Having a desire to depart and to be with
Christ which is far better." Philippians 1 v 23

(No sign of the old man, I'm afraid - he's not listed as in Beaminster, but the headstone in the next plot is totally illegible)
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: B.E. on Tuesday 07 February 12 09:30 GMT (UK)
I've been down to the grave this morning and it's seriously weathered - some of the words are just about legible, but probably only because I know what they're meant to be!

Having rechecked against the registers, I'm not convinced that the transcription in the MI list is entirely accurate. For example:

Further, I know you're adamant that Richard's father was also called Richard (because of the handwritten baptism record) but is it still possible that it was a mistake? Vicars weren't infallible! The reason I'm persisting is because of that 1799 marriage in Netherbury between Samuel Stone & Esther 'Buckland' (whom I now suspect might have actually been Esther Buglar, b. Beaminster 1772, and whose father was called Richard) and the 1841 census record showing Samuel & Esther Stone aged 70 & 69 respectively, in Melplash (Netherbury). By 1851 'Hester Hone' (I assume a further mistranscription) is living on her own in Melplash, aged 79, b. Beaminster. A Samuel Stone died somewhere in the Beaminster area in July 1850, according to Ancestry. And your John Samuel Stone must have had his middle name for a reason! (The first John Samuel Stone died in April 1850, aged 10.)
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: Nickie Stone on Tuesday 07 February 12 10:01 GMT (UK)
B.E.

Thank you so much for taking the time to look for the information for me last night night, it's much appreciated.

Nickie
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: B.E. on Monday 13 February 12 19:09 GMT (UK)
I thought readers might be interested to know that Nickie and I finally managed to sort this one out. The elusive Samuel STONE was one of the early burials at Melplash Church (the church was built 1846; he died 1850) but there's no sign of a headstone.

Speculation is rife as to why his wife wouldn't stump up for a decent headstone and was buried elsewhere a few years later, but I doubt we'll ever know!
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: Nickie Stone on Monday 13 February 12 19:53 GMT (UK)
Hi

As Hester (Esther) outlived her husband, it might be that after Samuel's death she went to live with her son and daughter in law in Beaminster instead of living on her own.  On the 1841 census they are listed as living together in Netherbury.

Nickie
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster
Post by: B.E. on Tuesday 14 February 12 09:17 GMT (UK)
She was still on her ownsome in Melplash in 1851.

But I agree she might well have gone off to live in the metropolopse with Richard and Ellen/Elenor. I still reckon Samuel should have had a headstone if she had one herself!

 ;)
Title: Re: Richard STONE (bc 1804) Beaminster - Completed
Post by: Nickie Stone on Friday 24 February 12 11:23 GMT (UK)
Just to let you know, the death certificate for Hester/Esther shows that she died on 26 March 1857 of old ageand she was the wife of Samuel Stone.  Jane Buglar was present at her death.

This ties in with the headstone at St Mary's in Beaminster.

Thank you all who have helped solve this mystery.  It is much appreciated.

Nickie