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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Phodgetts on Saturday 04 February 12 03:47 GMT (UK)
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Just posting this for the interest of the Blyth folk that visit the forum. This scene dated at 1922 has changed quite a bit now, though the Windmill Inn still stands! On the opposite side of the road the gable end of the King's Arms can be identified further down the road, but the buildings between it and the photographer have long since gone and the site occupied by what is today a petrol station and car sales garage. I remember it being a Ford garage and looking on with excitement at the launch of the then new Ford Capri MK2.
Hope it generates some interest and possibly memories for some.
Enjoy.
Philip
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My family was rehoused to Cowpen Estate (Weardale Ave.,) in c1951 after Bebside pit closed.
The photo shows Cowpen Road (earlier called Cowpen lane).
This was part of my "school run" (1946-52) to St Cuthbert's Primary School , about 30 yards behind
photographer's back.
Just off shot to the right was a little Co-op store and a small chapel made of corrugated
metal. The village police house was adjacent to where the couple on the right, were.
There was a well-trodden path/track, by the gable end of the King's Arms, that led down
to a small inlet of the River Blyth.
Just past Kings Arms was the opening leading to Tweedy and Taylor Street. Opposite was
small Post Office/general dealer. Carrying a little farther on and down "The Dip", led to the Sidney Arms.
Michael
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If my memory is correct, I recall a small allotment, or a small-holding adjacent to the old Police house, ie. between that and the garage area. On the same side of the road as the Catholic Church, and next to it was a farm run by 2(?) brothers. I believe one was Bart Young. After the farm was sold and houses put up on the site, Mr. Young lived in one of the houses practically opposite the Windmill Inn. He was a regular there, along with Geordie Gregory, who lived in the John Street area. Both men are now deceased. I believe Mr. Gregory may have worked at Crofton pit, and was in charge of the pit ponies.
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I was born and brought up at Taylor Street and the 'Pink Path' (surfaced with ashes) was part of my play territory. In the summer we used to help a family of small holders gather hay and stack it up on a horse drawn cart. We used to get a ride on top of the hay back to the top of the pink path. When the industrial area was expanded and the new Conistion Road road built, the pink path was reconstructed and surfaced with tarmac. It then became the Black Path. How sophisticated we were! I can remember the old ancient river bridge at the bottom of the path being dug out and a square concrete culvert put in place for Coniston Road. I can also remember the land being surveyed and the preliminary bore holes being drilled when the area behind the garage was to be built upon.
The little allotment come market garden alongside the garage was owned by a chap we called John. A bunch of kids from Taylor Street used to go along there and hang out, preventing him from doing anything useful. In the winter we used to sit in a part of the old creaking glass house where the fire was and sit about chatting. The bungalow that stands on the site now was built by a family that lived a few doors up from us on Taylor Street. The family are still local to Blyth.
The little corrugated building you mention Michael, is still there. Set back from the road side opposite the Windmill Inn.
Without wanting to wish my life away, I wish I had known Cowpen before the road was widened and straightened and the estates built. I can image that it had quite a rural feel to the place.
Philip
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An even earlier view of Cowpen Road and what is now the site of the garage and petrol station. White Row.
Philip
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If my memory is correct, I recall a small allotment, or a small-holding adjacent to the old Police house, ie. between that and the garage area. On the same side of the road as the Catholic Church, and next to it was a farm run by 2(?) brothers. I believe one was Bart Young. After the farm was sold and houses put up on the site, Mr. Young lived in one of the houses practically opposite the Windmill Inn. He was a regular there, along with Geordie Gregory, who lived in the John Street area. Both men are now deceased. I believe Mr. Gregory may have worked at Crofton pit, and was in charge of the pit ponies.
If you don't mind me asking, which decade was this? My grandad lived on that part of the road for many years...well, pretty much all of cowpen through his life :lol: (have to ask my dad how long but i think from the mid to late 60 onwards) and he was called Alan, but f there was another Young in the area at the time my grandad lived there, i have to investigate haha, you never know and i haven't even begun on my Young's yet.
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In the 1950s, there was a farm behind St Cuthbert's RC Church and parish hall which was the building of the original school, built by Lord of the manor Sydney in 1800s.
The church held regular fetes around the farm's duck pond, including little hand pedal boats. Us kids called it "Yorkie's Farm" !
( I think because the farmer was a Yorkshireman !)
Up to 1970s the farm is shown as Home Farm on maps.
Nidderdale Close today on that site
Michael
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In the 1950s, there was a farm behind St Cuthbert's RC Church and parish hall which was the building of the original school, built by Lord of the manor Sydney in 1800s.
The church held regular fetes around the farm's duck pond, including little hand pedal boats. Us kids called it "Yorkie's Farm" !
( I think because the farmer was a Yorkshireman !)
Up to 1970s the farm is shown as Home Farm on maps.
Nidderdale Close today on that site
Michael
Thank you michael for confirming the exsistence of "Yorkies Farm", was often told about it and assumed it was it was the farm's actual name haha. I would have felt silly asking.
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Blythian, have you seen the Keenlyside shop front postcard on Ebay?
Philip
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Was Keenlyside shop at the bottom ( eastern) end of Plessey Road- near Bridge Street ?
Michael
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Yes Michael. Opposite the Police Station on the corner of Plessey Rd and Bridge Street and opposite to the BHC offices. A Social Services office occupies the site today the original shop having been demolished, though I do not know when.
Philip
The old building was still in situ when the new Bridge House was built, but I do not know when that was built. The current building is called Compass House. I wonder if the old building was demolished to make way for the new?
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Corr Blimey I worked in that building 1959-1961. It was the offices of Northern Gas Board, Blyth Division
( I was a "Boy Clerk"). The offices were on first floor. I was about where third window is ( although because of my juniority I didn't get to sit next to a window) .
The ground floor, entrance at the rear, was base for gas fitters.
Not many fond memories of the place.
Michael
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The building in middle of photo was once the Labour Exchange.
Michael
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The building in middle of photo was once the Labour Exchange.
... and I think may at one time have been the Post Office (?)
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Yes, it was indeed the Post Office.
P
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the buildings between it and the photographer have long since gone and the site occupied by what is today a petrol station and car sales garage. I remember it being a Ford garage and looking on with excitement at the launch of the then new Ford Capri MK2.
Hope it generates some interest and possibly memories for some.
Enjoy.
Philip
About the garage, would that have been when it was the Co-op garage? Do you remember it before then, a very old corrugated iron structure with a Mobil pump and they did mainly panel beating? It was called the Ochiltree Garage, rented out by two chaps from the owner who also lived very nearby.
Also, there is a mention of smallholdings and farms later in the thread, one being Yorkie's farm. I believe another farm in that area at the time, and possibly the biggest, was Percy's farm.
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The garage next to the Kings Arms was a Coop garage for years. and do not forget the imfamous Cowpen working mans club it was a CIU affilliated.( now All Gone)(It was once a large private houseand & very immpressive it would of been in it;s day) all next door to the Windmill.. . I had quite a few pints in all three places back in the 1960/70's.
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The large impressive house. Do you mean Cowpen Hall? Now the site of Maccy Dee's. I have some old photos of the hall.
P
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Just adding snippets... to that area once called Kit Kat Corner.
The Sidney family, lords of the manor, part of the Sidney family, Earls of Leicester, first
lived in a house that later became the pub ( my father's local) the Sidney Arms.
These northern Sidneys had converted to Catholicism and allowed Mass to be said in a part of their home, as the Catholicsof the area, had no church in which to worship.
Sidneys had Cowpen Hall built and forked out to build a church ( St Cuthbert's ) on Cowpen Lane ( now Cowpen Road) in 1841. It was alleged that a tunnel connected Cowpen Hall to St Cuthbert's , running behind the Windmill, to allow the Sidneys easy access to their private pews, adjacent to the altar.
But more into my era, 1950s et seq, the feature of that corner at Kings Arms, was a strange fish & chips mobile van, covered I think in aluminium. This bit the dust when a house on Cowpen Road was turned into F&C shop.
Then I played for the Bebside Gordons in 1960s, a resurrected local football club, which used Cowpen Hall, by then Cowpen Club, as it's HQ. Cowpen Club became popular not just for drink, bingo, billiards, and Sunday afternoon strippers, but for catering for weddings, christenings and funerals.
The club was like a community centre for Cowpen Estate and environs
Michael
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I think that the Land Lord of the Sydney Arms was called Watty Allen when I used to have a pint there (1960's )and I am sure that it a Vaux Pub. You don't see any of them now !!
I don't get over to Blyth very often nowadays as both my parents died at the start of 2000. Plus the price of fuel makes it a bit costly these days....
I seem to remember that Cowpen club burnt down??/
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WSLad,
I think you are right about landlord Watty Allen but not on the Vaux bit.
The Sidney pub sign was the coat of arms of the Sidney family.
Next to it was the cavalier character, logo for McEwans ales ( based on the iconic painting of the Laughing Cavalier) My father and my brother loved their pints of McEwans "scotch". ( Ugghh ! ) But no Samson or Double Maxim available in the 60s.
Michael
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:) MICHAEL
You are right about the Vaux/ McEwans I remember the cavalier. I used to play the piano A in the lounge on the odd night. Some other lads used to bring their guitars and we had some good times.
I was mates with an Arthur William Dixon from Hortondale Grove when I went to Bebside jnrs 1954 But he was killed in a car crash near Scotch Corner approx 1976. He was an apprentice blacksmith with the NCB then he went in the the Royal Navy1962ish. Any relation???
My teacher was Eddie Howes he came from Newsham and he loved to use the cain .I think Tommy Lytoliss was the headmaster never remember doing much work at that school.
My Aunty had the Kitty Bruster Pub , In the Late 50's early 60's
I live over in Carlisle now ( 22years ) I moved out of Blyth in 1964 WSL
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WSL.
My father, Jim Dixon ( now deceased) was born in Haltwhistle in a Dixon family from Brampton. When the drift coal mines of the Haltwhistle failed there was scheme to bring the miners to the pits of Blyth and Bedlington area, sometime in the 1920/30s. They came to Bebside Furnace. Father stayed and married my mother, the rest is history lol. His father settled back in Carlisle, London Road and Harraby.
In 1951, when I was 10, we were rehoused from the defunct Bebside colliery to Cowpen Estate (Weardale Ave). Been about 100 yards from his front door, the Sidney Arms became his local. If I remember correctly the Sidney was big on music. I think they had some sort of singing group, called the Jolly Boys. Or was that the name of the Buffalo Lodge that the Sidney supported ?
My father's Dixon family had no relations in Northumberland.
He worked most of his working life at Bedlington "A" Pit. And continued
working there even when we were rehoused near to Blyth pits. He must have like it !
Michael
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Micheal Haltwhistle is a place I used to visit on a regular basis around 1959/63 as I used to go out with lass from Blyth who had grandparents and other relations there. I usedtogo fishing in the Tipel and out at a farm called Moscow and Farglow farm out past the Roman camp near the quarry.
Top fishing area and up the west Tyne. loverly area and some great memories.
My grand parents lived in Teesdale Place so not so far from your parents they were rehoused from Newsham 1951/2 ish. and my parents lived in Wharfdale Grove for a short period around 1960s.
WSL..
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Michael just remembered Wharfedale Gardens (Not Grove.). I was away Travelling around europe by then and spent about 4 years working my way around different countries then returned and joined the RAF... more happy times WSL
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Just picking up the thread re Windmill Inn and Cowpen Rd. Born and bred in the Newtoon Had a paper round at Browns newsagents that was up from the Mill just before the Kings early 60s. Remember going to church garden fete at Yorkies farm and going on the pedal boats must have been mid 50s. That was on Yorkys lake, the pond was over the fields towards Cowpen Row. ALAN YOUNG if its the same one was a really good mate of mine lived on Cowpen rd after his marriage broke up.From the Newtoon Geordie Gregory Shorty Hall and my dad Tolly were all local characters, My dad was a bookies runner for a Blyth bookie and the copper who lived in the police house after Jack Turnbull PC Whitehall
spent his life trying to nab him .He used to stand and take his bets at the top of Beecher St. Remember watching Bebside Gordons on the football pitch adjacent to the church probably aginst Blyth Town Boys Club the team my dad used to help run
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Just picking up the thread re Windmill Inn and Cowpen Rd. Born and bred in the Newtoon Had a paper round at Browns newsagents that was up from the Mill just before the Kings early 60s. Remember going to church garden fete at Yorkies farm and going on the pedal boats must have been mid 50s. That was on Yorkys lake, the pond was over the fields towards Cowpen Row. ALAN YOUNG if its the same one was a really good mate of mine lived on Cowpen rd after his marriage broke up.From the Newtoon Geordie Gregory Shorty Hall and my dad Tolly were all local characters, My dad was a bookies runner for a Blyth bookie and the copper who lived in the police house after Jack Turnbull PC Whitehall
spent his life trying to nab him .He used to stand and take his bets at the top of Beecher St. Remember watching Bebside Gordons on the football pitch adjacent to the church probably against Blyth Town Boys Club the team my dad used to help run
If i am on the right track here, that Alan Young is my grandad, married and lived on on Beecher St and when the marriage ended he moved next to what is Scaramanga's today with my step-gran :)
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All my Dad's side grew up on Beecher St pretty much from when my Gt granx2 was married.
From my Gran i knew of PC Turnbull and the tip on the playing fields and not to use tin bath's as a boat on the Blyth... She always talked of Yorkies Farm but i could never place it till now :D ironically i work at the Briardale Centre built behind St Cuthberts and backs onto Nidderdale :D.
I'm surprised the bus route still call's this area New Town.
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Re the posts above, the Geordie Gregory referred to, is he the one who lived in the John Street area? If he is the one I am thinking of, he worked at Crofton Pit, and I believe he was something to do with the pit ponies there. He also had a small holding in the area. I can still see him standing at the bar in the Windmill drinking with Bart Young, and others.
One licensee I recall was Des Sanderson, and his wife Ella. They were there from about 1958/9 until sometime in the 1960s. I last saw Des Sanderson about 40+ years back in one of the big pubs in Leeds city centre.
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Another thing that i heard growing up was that Billy Connely's skiffle band used to play at the Windmill before he got famous?
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Blythian Alan Young was instrumental along with one or two others in starting a folk club at the Windmill. During the embryionic days of his career Billy Connoly was part of a group called the Humble Bums another member of which was Gerry Rafferty of Baker Street fame In all probability your grandad would have booked them for the Mill . Certaintly I remember seeing them with Alan at the Lampglass club in Ashington We used to have some of the leading singers on the British folk scene on at the Mill all of whom generally ended up the worse for wear We set up one weekend an attempt on the World Folk singing record by A singer called Hamish Imlach to sing all thru the weekend the sub plot been that me your grandad et al wanted a weekend of continuous drinking Both were achived we got The Mill into the Guiness Book of Records we drank all weekend and the official Guiness observer was last seen heading for Monkeys Island searching for that well known local lady Dolly Clarts who we had assured him would be there As far as Im aware hes still down there.Happy days
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Where to start?
I remember the Windmill Folk Club, and I know the stories of the Humblebums and Hamish Imlach (whom I met), but there was another Scottish folk singer, a staunch Glaswegian, who played there and he stayed at our house in Devonworth Place. His name is Nigel Denver, and it knocked my socks off to have someone at our house who had made LPs. I remember my dad (Alan Young) sitting at the dining table patiently filling in cross-hatching with a biro as he made posters for forthcoming acts.
I used to frequent the Sidney Arms when the Jolly Boys were active. They used to dress as cowboys, and they all wore holsters with replica revolvers in them (try doing THAT today). There was a pianist and a microphone for all-comers to have a go in this pre-karaoke age. I remember one poor soul doing Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling in full cowboy regalia with his flies undone and his white shirt tail protruding. Not a pretty sight.
I remember an old fellow called Gregory who lived on that short bottom stretch of John Street. As far as I recollect, he looked like a farmer in flat cap and wellies, and I think I sometimes my mam sent me on a Sunday morning to buy a fresh cabbage or swede for lunch from him, as he had a garden just off the back lane. I was scared because he used to chase us off for playing football in the street, but he was OK when I went for veg (if indeed it was him, although I'm pretty certain it was).
I was actually born in Beecher Street (No 45, long since demolished), but for some reason I never asked my mam or dad why this was so. It's too late now, sadly.
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Hi all, I've heard from a relation in Blyth that the Windmill has been sold and is probably going to be demolished to make way for some kind of store.
Sad times, though I suppose it is happening all over the country now. >:(
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Yossarian(catch 22?) Alan Young and I were the best of mates and the tales I could tell you are legend The night Mickey Rob (Carlos son) sank the galleon in the Mill been just one.i spent Easter in Blyth and whilst the Mills still there I picked up online in the News Post that there is some kind of effort to save it. A 50s boyhood in the Newtown was just magic and something I suppose kids nowadays just wouldnt understand
TOLLY
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YOSSARIAN You should have heard Nigel Denver sing his own song Grey October( In Abervan) mek the hair stand up on the back of your heed. could have heard a pin drop in the Mills back room
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If the Windmill is due for demolition, can one of the Blyth crew please go and take photographs of it now before it is lost, and she the images with me or this page? Try and get a good view of each side, and maybe a 'contextual' shot of it and it's surroundings. For future generations......
P
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Last weeks News Post has just landed on my doormat down hear in the High Peak sent by a Blyth relative, and the Mill definitely about to close to be replaced by a convenience store no less.Petition in the pub so all you Blyth lot get in there have a pint and sign.Its been there since 1840s so deserves some support. Got me to thinking about Cowpen road hostlerys.Bebside Inn -open Sydney- gone Cowpen Club- gone Kings ? Mill- going Duke- gone North Farm -gone Thoronton ? Top Hoose?
Spent my teenage years watching Tex Leon and the Tynesiders Rue and the Rockets at Duke and Bandroom. Leads on to the Roxy Saw Gene Vincent there. Thats right folks Gene Vincent who toured with Eddie Cochran who new Buddy Holly who met Elvis breathed Blyth air WOW
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Last weeks News Post has just landed on my doormat down hear in the High Peak sent by a Blyth relative, and the Mill definitely about to close to be replaced by a convenience store no less.Petition in the pub so all you Blyth lot get in there have a pint and sign.Its been there since 1840s so deserves some support. Got me to thinking about Cowpen road hostlerys.Bebside Inn -open Sydney- gone Cowpen Club- gone Kings ? Mill- going Duke- gone North Farm -gone Thoronton ? Top Hoose?
Spent my teenage years watching Tex Leon and the Tynesiders Rue and the Rockets at Duke and Bandroom. Leads on to the Roxy Saw Gene Vincent there. Thats right folks Gene Vincent who toured with Eddie Cochran who new Buddy Holly who met Elvis breathed Blyth air WOW
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Current Rumor RE: Windmill Demolition is that it won't be pulled down but will be converted much like the Black Diamond in Newsham (and pretty much any pub on the outskirts of towns these days). If true, the building will remain...
cowpenexile: Kings Arms is still open, Kings Head however isn't lol, Kitty being converted into a Butchers as i type, Thoroton is now a half way house for homeless and the law-abidingly challenged and the Top Hoose is still open along with the Percy (Red Hoose):)
Theres a post somewhere on here which lists all the pubs in Blyth, past and present
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I've really enjoyed reading this thread, though I can see now why my Dad banned me from going in the local pubs in my teen years ::)
I would have enjoyed the music though. You lads were lucky!
ps re Blythian's list of pubs - search the forum using Pineapple Inn - that was my friend's Dad's pub.
Phil Hodgetts gives a link on this page of another thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=538497.20
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Latest ... there is a move to have the Windmill recognised as an "asset of community value", so that a community group can bid for it to run it as ( presumably ) a community pub such as the Rose and Crown at Slaley.
If the application to have it so listed is succesful, then the community have ( I think ) 5 years to get the finance together to bid for the building
( The Community right to bid was introduced by the Localism Act 2011 )
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PPS ... The Thoroton is up for sale at present , and rumour , I stress rumour, is that there's a chance for it to return as a pub and hotel .. rather than the hostel it has become.
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cowpenexile - I remember you being at our house several times (me dad told us to ask you questions on football). I've heard many tales of the Mill crew, some of which are hilarious. If I remember rightly I last spoke to you in the Flying Horse quite a few years ago.
It would be nice to see the Mill stay open, but it's such a struggle to run a pub these days. It might end up like the Black Diamond at Newsham and the Black Swan at Morpeth, as a convenience store which, ironically, would probably sell beer an awful lot cheaper than the Mill ever could. A sign of the times, sadly.
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Latest ... there is a move to have the Windmill recognised as an "asset of community value", so that a community group can bid for it to run it as ( presumably ) a community pub such as the Rose and Crown at Slaley.
If the application to have it so listed is succesful, then the community have ( I think ) 5 years to get the finance together to bid for the building
( The Community right to bid was introduced by the Localism Act 2011 )
I have just been informed that the Windmill has been listed as an Asset of Community Value, and it will remain on the list for 5 years.
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Just been past the Windmill today(on way to crem.)and it has a for sale sign up.
Batbara
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8)I went past the Windmill last week and there are a few new houses built where the pub used to be. Not sure if pub is incorporated into a new house or not as I had to watch the road.
Other pop singers included at the Roxy. Joe Brown, Billy Fury, and a very tall lad well 6ft 6ins but his name has gone.
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Windmill is still open as a pub for now, don't know whats happening now :/
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When it was said thar Gene Vincent was at the Roxy? BLYTH.Could it of being Vince Eager?
As I saw Gene Vincent ! Along with Eddie Cochran, Big Bopper, and a load of others at Newcastle . But cannot remember GV being at Blyth? Could be an age thing? With me!
The stars from the Roxy VInce Eager Joe Brown Billy Fury and others all went horse ridding on Blyth beach, on horses from Strachans?? Stables? I meet them all and remember it quite clearly.
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I remember a Straughan's stables down by where Solingen estate is now - that might have been them.
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Yes that was them but it was a long time ago. But I remember it as if it was yesterday. Happy Days.
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Just another Blyth snippett....dear old Kitty Brewster pub being re- furbished, and will be opening soon as Premier meats..
it is just a stones throw from the large ASDA store, ???
Dolly
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Dolly,
It was the dear old Foresters Arms for me ! But still sad!
Michael
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I drank at the Foresters Arms just twice - and I was well under age too.
I don't know if it's true, but I have heard that the Masons Arms in Blyth is to be developed by a supermarket chain. I also noticed the other day that they have started removing the roof from the Queen's Head at Guide Post, apparently prior to demolition. I believe this to be a very old inn, which I visited occasionally many years ago - legally this time.
Keep photographing those pubs, both inside and out, because you never know when they will cease to be.
By the way, does anyone know exactly how many years of drinking history will be obliterated when/if the Queen's Head is demolished and the Masons becomes a shop?
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I drank at the Foresters Arms just twice - and I was well under age too.
I don't know if it's true, but I have heard that the Masons Arms in Blyth is to be developed by a supermarket chain. I also noticed the other day that they have started removing the roof from the Queen's Head at Guide Post, apparently prior to demolition. I believe this to be a very old inn, which I visited occasionally many years ago - legally this time.
Keep photographing those pubs, both inside and out, because you never know when they will cease to be.
By the way, does anyone know exactly how many years of drinking history will be obliterated when/if the Queen's Head is demolished and the Masons becomes a shop?
It's the Joiners, not the Masons ;)Though theres nothing on the Planning Portal about change of use...maybe just renovating
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Unfortunately I don't think that "Change of Use" permission is need to change from a pub to a shop. You need permission for any structural changes, or extension, but not for the change of use.
That was the furore about the pub in Seaton Delaval ( the Victoria and Albert ?) that Tescos wanted to buy to open as Tesco Express.
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Not only Premier Meats at the Kitty - The car showroom up past the Bebside is becoming "The Fat Butcher" (I hope that relates to size and not what they are selling), and there is also "Meat and Two Veg" across the road behind the other showroom. Looks like Bebside/Kitty Brewster is becoming the new Shambles area.
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The Fat Butcher van has been parked in the Meat n Two veg car park over the past few weeks, been deducing that Meat n Two Veg are moving premesis and changing their name to TFB
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I've just heard today from a relation in Blyth that the Windmill is now all boarded up. They are not sure when it happened.
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It happened some point last week :( For Sale sign has gone too...but the wind may have done that
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I've just heard today from a relation in Blyth that the Windmill is now all boarded up. They are not sure when it happened.
its closed now gone forever
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Just posting this for the interest of the Blyth folk that visit the forum. This scene dated at 1922 has changed quite a bit now, though the Windmill Inn still stands! On the opposite side of the road the gable end of the King's Arms can be identified further down the road, but the buildings between it and the photographer have long since gone and the site occupied by what is today a petrol station and car sales garage. I remember it being a Ford garage and looking on with excitement at the launch of the then new Ford Capri MK2.
Hope it generates some interest and possibly memories for some.
Enjoy.
Philip