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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: king william on Sunday 05 February 12 04:23 GMT (UK)
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I am not sure I have the correct board. I googled "Ann Gawen" and "Isaac Bush" and up came one site on Google Books and which does not open up for me. It was called "History and Antiquaries of St Peter......."
I wondered if it was St Peter and St Paul in Bath which is why I am on this board.
Ann was the wife of a William Gawen and apparently Isaac had a wife named Frances.
Is anyone please able to tell me exactly what the entry says as I thought Isaac Bush married Ann Gawen but perhaps not!
Robin
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On freebmd I found William Gawen and Ann Dowding married in the December 1853 quarter - Westbury.
Regards
em
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Em,
Thank you for your reply - I have actually found out a little more. It was Anne, daughter of Isaac and Frances Bush who married William Gawen.
Anne died in 1659.
The St. Peter it seems was St. Peters, Westminster, which must be Westminster Abbey/
Isaac Bush is apparently commemorated in the abbey, he was a royal courtier and is styled Isaac Bush of Dolwen, which is in the top of Wales.
There was more I could see that was tantalising and I could not open it up. It gave the wife of Isaac as Frances, and mentioned her parents but as I could not see the rest so do not know what other information it contains.
Perhaps someone can open up the document - the best results I got by googling :-
"isaac bush" "william gawen" westminster
Up came 5 sites all involving these people which my trusty but ancient computer would not open. They took too long and gave up as sometimes happens with those big archival sites.
Robin
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Son of William Qamen^ of Westminster (second son of Thomas Gawen, of Bristol), by
Anne, only dau. of Isaac Bush (see his burial 30 Dec. 1641), by Frances his wife (see her burial
9 Sep. 1641), The Mar. Lie. of the parents was issued by the Dean and Chapter of West-
minster, 8 Sep. 1634. A monumental inscription in the Cloisters states that the mother died 26
Nov. 1669, and was there buried, with five of her children, but no positive record of any of the
burials occurs in the Register, except of that of one daughter (see her burial, 14 Apl. 1650). See,
however, the burial of Edward CoveUy 30 June 1643, who was perhaps this child.
Try this for the link to the memorial tablet:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8Tk_AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA292&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U0tQZxpzu-0FHN2fy6l_1R4XA91tw&ci=533%2C422%2C308%2C228&edge=0
Peter
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Peter,
Many thanks for your reply. I have been unable to open the other sites because they are big ones and I hate to admit that I am still on dial-up which is rather primitive.
It is the Bush family who are of interest to me and Isaac is a relatively unknown quantity. He is of interest because he is styled Isaac Bush of Dolwen.
Any family who married into them is also of interest.
The Bush family originally came from Wales and was named Deulwyn with variations of Daulwyn/Daylwyn and possibly Dolwen.
One of our direct line is Ieuan Deulwyn, a bard of Glamorgan in the late 1400's.
Isaac is one of my wider Bush family and his coat-of-arms also fits ours.
I have become interested in the north of Wales where there is a place called Dolwen and also a cottage named Deulwyn.
It appears that my Ieuan Deulwyn also had links with North Wales as he apparently had a daughter named Elin born in Anglesey.
Any knowledge of Isaac Bush is of interest as to where he fits into the puzzle and his link with Dolwen.
Many thanks
Robin
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Hi Robin, not sure that I am replying correctly, as I am new to this site, but I am decended from the Bushs' on my mum's side. Her family resided in Wrington, Somerset. Any link to the Dewlyn/Bush tree that you are researching?
Kind regards,
D.
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David,
Yes David, Wrington in Somerset is certainly one of the places my Bush family were from.
I am in New Zealand and am in constant contact with another of my Bush cousins who lives in the same city as I do and he has a lot of information about the Bush's from Wrington. They are on his particular line.
I am sure they will be of the same line - after all how big would Wrington have been to have had unrelated people of a name as unusual as Bush.
Our family has been reseached thoroughly by several very knowledgeable people on the same line who have been to the universities who hold the actual history, studied the Wiltshire notes and all the relevant documents. They are very thorough and do not claim any of the history until it is proven beyond doubt through actual documents.
The family originally came from Carmarthenshire, Wales in the 1400's to Dylton in Wiltshire, they were in the cloth business. The name was Deulwyn and was then anglicised to Busshe, then Bushe and finally Bush.
Paul Bushe was the first Bishop of Bristol being appointed by King Henry V111.
His parents were William Busshe and a Miss Strange and her coat-of-arms prove she was descended from the very noble family of le Strange of Knockyn in Shropshire - google them and see how well recorded they are!
All our Bush lines come from John Bushe, the brother of Paul Bushe, John married Elizabeth Ffernefolde of Steyning in Sussex.
Our Deulwyn family of Carmarthenshire go back to Cadwgan Fawr ap Cadwgan and his wife Alice Cydifor and she was descended from the kings of Wales through her mother's line. Cadwgan goes back to the very early kings of Dyfed.
The Queen is descended from Cadwgan and Alice through the Queen Mother's line.
Another well recorded line from Carmarthenshire is the Rede line with Cecily Rede (Ryd) and her father Thomas Rede being pivotal ancestors. The father of Thomas, another Thomas Rede, was one of the two top early international traders and was involved with the skirmishes of the Welsh Owain Glyndwr - the grandmother of Owain was Elizabeth le Strange, another of the le Strange line of ours I mentioned above.
if you send me a private email I will forward you my Bush history so that you will have the early bits and I can then forward your email to my cousin for the Wrington bits and establish exactly where your line fits in.
My Bush line came to New Zealand with Sarah Bush who married John King and emigrated in the 1840's, there was a family row of some sort so some of us are Bush (me), some are King and some are Bush-King.
I look forward to hearing from you on a private email and will be able to send you heaps of stuff on all our lines.
Robin
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Hi Robin, you can contact me on:
Moderator comment: email address removed to prevent spam and other abuses. Please pass such information by Personal Message (PM). Newcomers might have to post three times to enable the PM facility.
My Grandfatrher was Ivan Bush (b 1913), and his father was Isaac Bush who was married to Eleanor Forde...hope this helps. I believe Isaac's father was Thomas Bush.
I look forward to hearing from you.
David.
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David,
Am also replying to you on a private email, the name of Thomas is one that follows down tbhrough the centuries in our Bush line,
Robin
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Is not the Gloucester Cathedral the Abbey of St Peter?
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Hi David and Robin,
I also am part of the Bush Family. My grandmother was a Bush on her father's side. He was Oliver Bush and came to Canada sometime before 1911. I would love to hear more about your research and know if I am on the right track with what I have so far. Since I am new here I just realized that I don't have enough posts for PM messaging. I will try once I have posted enough. :) This is exciting and very fascinating to the point of my housework suffering a bit. LOL
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I also found this: link:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=119463 (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=119463)
I believe this was to be part of the Cloister.
"In N. walk—on N. wall, (9) to William Fox, 1680, and James Fox, 1677, black and white marble tablet with eared architrave, cornice, cherub-heads and two shields-of-arms; (10) to William Laurence, 1621, plain marble tablet; (11) to Humphrey Langford, M.P., 1685, grey marble tablet with self, apron and shield-of-arms; (12) to John Coleman, 1709, plain white marble tablet; (13) to Richard Gouland, 1659, black marble tablet with eared stone architrave, drapery and skull; (14) to Francis Newman, 1649, plain white marble tablet; (15) to Ann (Bush), wife of William Gawen, 1659, five children and Isaac Bush and Frances, his wife, parents of Ann Gawen white marble tablet with cornice, apron and lozenge-of-arms; (16) to Richard, 1672–3, Christopher, 1675, and Peter, 1672, sons of Christopher Chapman, plain tablet; (17) to Christopher Chapman, 1681, Melior, his wife, 1707, and Elizabeth, their daughter, 1680–1, white marble tablet with architrave, round head, apron and cartouche-of-arms."
Then:
' Wife, first, of Gabriel Birkhead (see his burial 23 Dec. 1614), to whom married at St.
Margaret's, Westminster, 1 May 1604, as Frances Fann [? Fane], and, secondly, of Isaac Bush (see
his burial 30 Dec. 1641), to whom married before 21 May 1623, when Camden (the antiquary) left
her £2 in his will, a8 the widow of Birkhead and wife of Bush
From Full text of "The marriage, baptismal, and burial registers of the collegiate church or abbey of St. Peter, Westminster" Link http://www.archive.org/stream/marriagebaptism02chesgoog/marriagebaptism02chesgoog_djvu.txt (http://www.archive.org/stream/marriagebaptism02chesgoog/marriagebaptism02chesgoog_djvu.txt)
1641 Dec. 80 Isaac Bush :* IClmt&rs],
^ In the record of administration to his estate, in the Court of the Dean and Chapter, Feb.
1641-2, he is called '* Isaac Bush alius Dolwen." He was one of the messengers of the Exchequer
temp, Jas. I. See his wif e*8 burial 9 Sep. preceding. Their only dau., Anne, was wife of William
Gawen, of Westminster, and it is stated on a monument in the Cloisters that ^e died 26 Nov.
1659, and was there buried with five of her children ; but no record exists in the Register of anj
of them, except a dau. Margaret (see her burial 14 Apl. 1650), and perhaps a son Edward (see a
burial 30 June 1643). The will of her husband, William Gawen, then of Harpenden, Herts,
Gent., dated 24 Julj 1699, was proved 11 Aug. 1702.
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Hi there,
Nice to be in contact with another Bush descendent, do you have much information about where Oliver came from in the UK.
My Bush line came to New Zealand about 1842 with Sarah Bush - she came from London with her husband John King. My Bush line goes back to the Welsh kings and their name then was Deulwyn/Daylwyn/Duyland. Cadwgan Fawr married Alice Cydifor and she was the one with the great line from the Welsh kings.
The family then went to England in the 1400's and anglicised their name to two-bush, then to Busshe, Bushe and finally Bush. They were in the wool trade in Gloucestershire, Somerset and Wiltshire. They were fairly wealthy and of the gentry. Bitton and Hanham between Bristol and Bath are pivotal areas of my particular line as well as villages such as Chew Magna, Dundry, Tickenham also feature.
It was in the 1700's that James Bush went to London, he married Sarah Millis and continued to do well. When he died he left two London properties to each of his eight children.
Shame about the money, us descendents have to work for a living.
It would be nice to keep in touch and see how you are going and see if your Oliver turns up any more information.
Robin aka King William.
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Hi Robin, I haven't gone very far yet. Oliver was born in 1886 in Wrington, Somerset, his father I believe was Thomas P Bush born abt 1850 and his mother was Susan Rattle. The Bush's show as carpenters.in the census. It is my understanding that Oliver and his brother Isaac did carpentry work for a local church and I have heard they did beautiful work. This church had handcarved leaves on the walls. I know his two boys stationed in Britain in WWII managed to go and see the church but they are now deceased and no one else remembers the name of the church. :-(
Oliver came to Canada in 1911 and was married here to a Viola Buttle and they had 5 children. My grandmother was the eldest.
I believe David Cypher is a relation as he is Oliver's brother Isaac's great-grandson. I am Oliver's great-granddaughter. Thanks for responding. :-) Will update as I make more progress. Hoping David might check in too.
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Hi again,
Having Wrington as a kicking off point is a good one as there were so many Bush's in Wrington through the centuries, I just googled it and found heaps and they are from the same Bush family as mine. I have a cousin here in NZ who is descended from that area. I know the Bush family married into the Baber family and they appear to have been a very influential family in their time.
In fact in Samuel Pepys diary a Sir John Baber is mentioned several times and being an uncommon name it is probably the same family particularly as the name of Brounker is also mentioned in the same dispatch.
A Henry Brounker was listed in the will of my Paul Bushe, first Bishop of Bristol and I am sure the good bishop is also your ancestor.
Good luck and I look forward to hearing more from you.
Robin
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Looking for info on Bush family from Wrington, Isaac Bush b abt 1777, his daughter Ann (Nancy) married William Day.
Barry Taman
Regina SK Canada
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Hi Barry,
The Bush family is huge. I am just getting started looking into the Bush family. Hopefully, I can help you out as I further my research. My direct line as far as I can tell goes back the Peter Bush born 1755 in Wrington, Somerset. If you think you cross my Bush line in anyway let me know and I can try and help you out.
Kim
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Hi,
I am related to a Bush family from Wrington and have a couple of Isaac Bush's in the family. The later Isaac being the brother of Oliver Bush mentioned in earlier emails, who worked at Bush Bros Carpentry in Wrington, Somerset. The earlier Isaac Bush was born in Wrington in 1759 (son of Thomas and Rose) and married a Sarah Clarke in Wrington in 1782.
The archivist at Wrington had sent me details of the Bush family from church records a number of years ago. Not sure if this ties in with any of your Bush family references
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Hi
I have just found this thread linked to Duyland Bush to whom I believe I am related. My gt x 3 grandmother Sophia Bush (b.1810) married James Flew of Bitton. She was descended from Duyland. It would be good to find out more or if there are any accounts I could look up.
Best Wishes
Phil