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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: Celticvines on Wednesday 08 February 12 02:59 GMT (UK)
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I am stuck on this ancestor. William Taylor was born in Bridgnorth in 1821, and married Hannah who was born in Wales.
They had two sons that I know of. John Taylor - born 1837 in Staffordshire. The second son was William Taylor - born in 1845 in Bridgnorth.
I would love to find how I'm related to all the Taylor's from the Northern England area. Thanks.... Shane Taylor.
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Even the smallest town in England had a family of Taylors - if not two :D
Peter Taylor
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I'm assuming you've searched FamilySearch and not found anything? There is nothing in there matching the children either. Assuming the details you have supplied are correct, it is likely your family either weren't born there or were non-conformist. Do you have any evidence to suggest this family may have been non-conformists? Such as a marriage in a Methodist church.
Without a more detailed abstract on this family it is difficult to offer any advice.
For the marriage, you may want to try the Montgomeryshire records on FindMyPast or the Hayes Marriage Index.
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Hi so as to help out, is this your family in 1851:-
William Taylor 30 occ Bricklayer b Bridgnorth
Hannah 30 b Hancenfield? Wales
John 14 b Bridgnorth
William 6 b Bridgnorth
Residing at Bilston Street, Wolverhampton.
Census Ref HO107/2019/475/16
1861 William snr with a dramatic change in age, and new wife?
William Taylor 58 occ Bricklayer b Bridgnorth
Diana 46 b Lanstephan Montgomeryshire.
William 16 occ Lab in Iron Works b Bridgnorth
Residing at Bilston Road, Wolverhampton
Census Ref RG09/1995/100/4
Keyboard86
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Diana and Hannah might be the same person - I've occasionally come across Hannah as a short form of both Diana and Rosanna.
The Wolverhampton Archives site http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/ has this marriage:
William TAYLOR (full age, widower, bricklayer of Bilston St), son of William TAYLOR (painter) married Diana DAVIS (full age, spinster), daughter of Edward THOMAS on 21 April 1850 at St George, Wolverhampton.
This could then be William in 1841 with his first wife:
HO107/999/6/4
Gould's Court, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
William TAYLOR 25 Bricklayer Not born in county
Imimia TAYLOR 30 Wife Not born in county
Caroline TAYLOR 10 Not born in county
John TAYLOR 4 born Staffordshire
FamilySearch shows baptisms for children of William Taylor and Jemima ("Imimia" on census) as follows:
Caroline - 13 Feb 1829, St Leonard, Bridgnorth
John - 13 Nov 1836, St Peter, Wolverhampton
Margaret - 10 May 1842, St Peter, Wolverhampton
William - 5 Jun 1845, St Leonard, Bridgnorth
A Jemima Taylor died June Q 1848 (Wolverhampton 17 305) - the Wolverhampton Archives site gives her age as 44, and date of burial as 11 June 1848. (Abode: Bilston Street)
Rambler
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William and Jemima's marriage?
William TAYLOR married Jaumine MABBS on 25 May 1828 at St Leonard, Bridgnorth.
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This is the information that I have.
William Taylor 30 occ Bricklayer b Bridgnorth
Hannah 30 b Hancenfield? Wales
John 14 b Bridgnorth
William 6 b Bridgnorth
Residing at Bilston Street, Wolverhampton.
Census Ref HO107/2019/475/16
John is my g-g-g-gandfather. This is the only John Taylor born in this area that the birthdates line up.
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Do you have John's marriage certificate to confirm his father's name and occupation?
What is John's birthplace on the later censuses? In your original post you say that he was born in Staffordshire, but the 1851 census says Bridgnorth.
This is the only John Taylor born in this area that the birthdates line up.
Bearing in mind that ages on censuses aren't always 100% reliable, I can see several more John Tayors born in Staffordshire/Shropshire in approx 1837, unless you know for sure that his father was William. ???
Rambler
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After a bit more diggng....
Did your John marry Elizabeth Walker?
John TAYLOR (21, puddler), son of William TAYLOR (bricklayer) married Elizabeth WALKER (19), daughter of Edward WALKER (miner) on 25 December 1858 at St Paul, Wolverhampton.
From census returns, they lived in Wolverhampton, then moved to Bradford, Lancashire and had about 10 children. (John gives his place of birth as Wolverhampton.)
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Yes... John married Elizabeth Walker. This is the information that I have confirmed. I have John and Elizabeth's marriage from the UK BMD, and it lists John's father as William.. occupation.. bricklayer.
The same information as you have found. Manchester Rambler.... this is where I'm stuck... confirming and digging farther back on the Taylor side. I'd love to connect to even farther in the past. I'm continuing to dig around for good proof. I made mistakes with the Taylor line once and had to backtrack on the mistake.
John's son William, his wife and most of his children moved to Lancashire and later immigrated to Toronto, Canada. I'm from Canada, and am tracing my ancestors from Europe. Most of my other ancestors are from Quebec, and were far easier to work on due to the excellent record keeping by the churches in Quebec.
The English, Welsh and Irish lines in my family have proven to be the most challenging, but most rewarding lines to work on.
All the help everone is providing is great, and I thank you guys... Shane.
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I have John and Elizabeth's marriage from the UK BMD, and it lists John's father as William.. occupation.. bricklayer.
In that case, I think we can assume we have the right family 1841-1861, with William (bricklayer) married first to Jemima and then to Diana/Hannah, although the best way to be certain would be to get a birth cert for the second son William (as John was unfortunately born before the start of civil registration), and this will confirm his mother's name.
Births Mar 1845
TAYLOR William
Bridgnorth 18 25
The different censuses vary wildly for William's age (even allowing for "rounding down" in 1841), and I think 30 in 1851 is a bit too young to have a 14 year-old son (not impossible of course, but fairly unlikely), so you may need to look a little earlier for a William Taylor, son of William, born in Bridgnorth - there's one baptised in 1805, for instance.
I'll look again later - just on my way out now!
Rambler