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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Leitrim => Topic started by: jsanders on Saturday 11 February 12 12:06 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I'm a decendant of a Esther (O'Rourke) Doyle from the townland of Carrick Slavin, which is near Carrick on Shannon I believe. She married a John Doyle in Ireland in about 1872. Her husband John died sometime near 1896 levaing her with a lots of young children. She never re-married. Most of her children immigrated to the United States and ended up in Bristol, Hartford County, Connecticut in the USA.
A few of her children stayed behind. My family lost touch with the descendants of her family in Ireland sometime in the 1990s. I was trying to see if there's a way to reconnect with them. The children who stayed with her in Ireland included
1) Mary Ann Doyle born in 1872 who married a Patrick Logan. I don't know if they had any children.
2) Michael Doyle born in 1873 who married a Bridget. They had two known children Mary. Mary married a Dennis O'Brien.
Mary and Dennis had two children. The first child was Dennis. This is the family which I think we had connections in Ireland up until the 1990s or so. The second child was Michael.
The 2nd child of Michael and Bridget was John. John married an Eileen. They had 4 children (John, Eileen, Maureen & Michael).
3) Patrick Doyle born in 1877. It is unknown if he married.
4) Sarah Doyle born in 1894. She married a Francis O'Brien. I don't know if they had children.
Any thoughts on trying to reconnect with descendants of Esther and John would be appreciated. I do have a picture of Esther which was on a funeral card. Here's a link to a blogpost with her funeral card and picture.
http://www.hiddengenealogynuggets.com/genealogyblog/2012/02/funeral-card-friday-esther-orourke-doyle/
Regards, Jim
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Best place to start searching for the Irish relatives is probably the 1901 and 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
The online civil registration index goes up to 1958 but it might be difficult to pick out the correct people with only name and idea of birthdates for a common surname- www.familysearch.org
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Hello,
Thank you for your quick response. I have the 1901 and 1911 Ireland Census records. How would I use that to trace the family forwards to today to find some living descendants?
I have one other bit of information which might be helpful. Michael Doyle, son of John and Esther Doyle, died on 23-Jun-1949. His funeral card lists a place of Killarkin, Co. Leitrim. That's the first time I've heard of Killarkin.
Regards, Jim
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Children of John Doyle & Esther Roarke/Roarke (www.familysearch.org):
Mary born 1 May 1872
Michael born 10 Oct.1873
Patrick born 8 Mar.1877
James born 1 Apr.1879
Possibly Michael Doyle and wife Bridget? Bridget might be a 2nd wife and not the mother of the children as the form says married 2 years and both children were much older than this-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Leitrim/Killarcan/653695
If the above Mary Doyle is the child in above 1911 census it's possible that her children are still alive. The online civil registration index only goes up to 1958 and we aren't alloved to post details of anyone who could still be living.
Killarcan is a townland in Kiltoghert parish (Carrick on Shannon Poor Law Union).
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Thank you. Do you know if there are any Doyle's or O'Briens living in Killarcan today. Is there a good on-line directory I could consult with? I live in the USA.
Regards, Jim
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You could try the phone directory- but many people are ex-directory (not listed) or just have a mobile phone these days-
http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/
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Yes there are Doyles and O'Briens still there but I wouldn't have a clue on their history....one family of Doyles went to England last year.
While I see them around I'm not sure of which houses they live in but can check........
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Thank you for the added information. I would love to reconnect with the Doyle's / O'Brien. The last we knew, Dennis O'Brien was living in or near Killarkin, county Letirim. We believe he passed away in the late 1980s or early 1990s. Perhaps someone from that area used to know Dennis O'Brien or his children.
Regards, Jim
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Such a long shot, but here goes: Michael (John) Doyle, born 1908 - so he claimed.
Could he be in the year range for Michael, son of Michael and Bridget?
Do you have a Michael unaccounted for in your ancestry?
My Michael said he was born in North Leitrim, but he could have been muddying the trail for whatever reasons. He died in England back in 1984. Probably left Ireland in the 1930's. No documentary evidence and no contact with family.
We believe he worked as a labourer on the railways in Leitrim, as he later did in England.
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Sorry for delay...just checked the Doyles I know in Killarcan, their Gran was Sarah, died a few years ago. Leave it with me and I'll see what turns up....
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Thank you for the addtional posts. I'd llove to reconnect with family over there.
My Doyle's originated from Carrick Slavin. Michael Doyle ended up in Killarkin. I believe these are both northern Ireland.
Regards, Jim
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My Doyle's originated from Carrick Slavin. Michael Doyle ended up in Killarkin. I believe these are both northern Ireland.
It's more likely that Killarkin's the one in County Meath (which is not in Northern Ireland). Carrick Slavin certainly isn't in Northern Ireland.
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Don't know what the confusion is but you have them on the census in Leitrim. http://goo.gl/y7GyX
"Michael Doyle, son of John and Esther Doyle, died on 23-Jun-1949. His funeral card lists a place of Killarkin, Co. Leitrim...."
Killarkin, Co. Leitrim is a townland just outside Leitrim Village down the church road.....
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Thanks for the correction but the point still remains that neither place is in Northern Ireland :)
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Just called to the O'Briens...no one at home but got talking to neighbour and yes they are your O'Briens! 110%
I did a quick tree up and the neighbour confirmed quite a few bits. They would be descendants of Dennis born circa 1900 who married Mary....their son is still living there and his brother lives nearby!
Can stop by again when I'm passing.....
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Just met Mr D....he was turning his car at my house, he is waiting for new broadband internet connection and he will be in contact with you in a week's time!!
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Thanks for the interest shown. Truly grateful. caoimhin.
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Wow, thank you all for your help. I really appreciate it and can't wait to hear from them. My mom who's still around will be overjoyed.
Regards, Jim
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No problem...
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Hi,
Just coming back since last time in case you have more info on your DOYLE'S - I'm looking for a MICHAEL JOHN with a JOHN as his named father. Possible that the family had a small shop. Time line somewhere after 1900 and up to 1926 or so - then he left Ireland. Possible family troubles suspected, since no contact following. Thanks.
Moderator Note- see also:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,577718
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Hi Jim....Not sure if you still checking but hopefully pick up on this....PM me and we can see if have links if you wish? Many Thanks, Paul
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Hi There all, have been busy on family things (in my own life and moved location) I helped find a grave for a friend in Canada this week and visitined staff who very helpfull - their relative grave was unmarked but records are spot on so exact location was found..grave is located in Belfast (where I am now located, and if anyone needs a hand give me a message - in my friends case the death was reported in a local paper and cemertery named so was not so hard in fairness) - i am hoping someone can help me also. I am unsure if more records have been uploaded or available since I last was on this forum...but figured I do a quick check if anyone in Roscommon Area can help ....I am still looking for Henry O'Briens Grave died 29 May 1922, ( aged 22) My familiy remembers he was burried in 'Lurga' or Lurgan...he was born in Leitrim town and his parents I am sure were living in Leitrim towon ...I had a friend check Leitrim library and no record of him. My gut tells me he maybe buried in Aughrim (Lurga a townland back in the day) as his grandad (also a Henry) had a farmhouse there in census (and one of his grandsons - William - Henry jnrs brother born in US was in the house at last census released). I have tried newpapers, and even contacted the school principal in Leitrim town who promised to ask parents and local church..I heard nothing back...not maybe newspapers were published in May/June 1922 else none are in National Archives...I have checked...he died in Belfast, so assume interred maybe 3 days later in Roscommon near his parents house in leitrim town else up towards his grandads in Aughrim...I mailed previously churches in area with no joy...Henry was R.C. demonination...fingers crossed maybe someone can help as I revist my roots....P.S. I suspect his graveyard is unmarked...else he in his grandads grave and maybe not listed....On another note I cannot find a grave of his parents - Patrick and Sarah O'Brien (nee McCormick)- they moved to England after 1922 and returned few years later to Carrick town...their grave I have been told is close too their but appears it has been reused ...is that possible?..again I contacted some parishes but no joy and they for sure were burried in 1940s'50s? P.S. My friend in Canada (origionally from Roscommon) mentioned a man named Clifton Snow may be able to help?
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Michael and Francis Doyle of Aughrim are buried in Fahy!
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/leitrim/photos/tombstones/leitrim-fahy/target1.html
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/leitrim/photos/tombstones/leitrim-kiltoghert/target71.html are part of your lot which is the Cemetery for Leitrim Village!
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Unsure...I have OBriens from Leitrim/Roscommon but only starting back into it all again - and prior 1922 mostly - I have a tree on ancestry if you like to PM me I can add if of help, who knows....
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Henry O'Brien died 29 May 1922 in Mater Hospital Dublin... what is on his Death Cert??
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If he was shot not far from the Cullingtree Rd police station in Belfast but died of his wounds the next day in the Mater Hospital......why did they bring him to Dublin instead of a Belfast Hospital?
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Above as per
https://irishconstabulary.com/constable-henry-o-39-brien-69991-killed-1922-t513.html
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C Reg Death results for Henry of Dublin from 1922 to 1923
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ojd/
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C Reg
Death results for Henry OBrien from 1922 to 1922 No results found.
Death results for Henry O Brien from 1922 to 1922 No results found.
Death results for Henry O'Brien from 1922 to 1922 No results found.
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I Actually unsure...but not impossible...I have no record on my research thus far - but who knows ...I Obriens Leitrim/Roscommon...we got about. Only today I met an army officer in Applegreen Dundalk and my son tugged me and went Dad there is an OBrien cos tag on uniform....lad just back from Dublin to base in Dubdalk and we had a chat:) His side wicklow direction mind you but onto ancestry now:)
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Above as per
https://irishconstabulary.com/constable-henry-o-39-brien-69991-killed-1922-t513.html
Forgot there was a Mater Hospital, Belfast... With date of 1922 might not be on Irish Genealogy site.
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My Henry OBrien I have death cert issued in July 1922...he was shot outside Cullingtree Road barracks by 6-7 men in May ...he was having a cigarette with a civilian. He had been transferred from Kerry a few weeks prior...and ironically would have been alive otherwise as ceasefire was in place in the republic. Newspaper reports said in some the RVH in Belfast and other the Mater...he died of wounds in the Mater I can confirm..Those were bad days, he was only 22 in 1922 just making a living..
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Which Mater??
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Forgot there was a Mater Hospital, Belfast... With date of 1922 might not be on Irish Genealogy site.
Deaths registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31st December, 1921 inclusive and in Ireland (excluding Northern Ireland) from 1922 onwards.
See:
https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/GRO_Research.aspx
KG
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Forgot there was a Mater Hospital, Belfast... With date of 1922 might not be on Irish Genealogy site.
Deaths registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31st December, 1921 inclusive and in Ireland (excluding Northern Ireland) from 1922 onwards.
See:
https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/GRO_Research.aspx
KG
Looks like he died at Mater, Belfast! He's not in Dublin anyway.
Maybe even buried Belfast??
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Above as per
https://irishconstabulary.com/constable-henry-o-39-brien-69991-killed-1922-t513.html
Yes I provided Peter with all that :) The Mater Hospital is at Carisle Circus in North Belfast. Henry was buried in Lurga Roscommon albeit cant find a graveyard:)