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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: Tissy on Sunday 12 February 12 04:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
I'm trying to trace the family of William O'Kelly and Ann Germaine of Baltinglass. One of their sons, Thomas Joseph O'Kelly came to Australia and settled in Bega, NSW, founding what is now Bega Cheese. He was known here as T J Kelly. Thomas was born in 1844. He had a brother, the very well known, E P (Edward) O'Kelly J P who would have been born c1847, (he died in 1914 aged 67).
Apart from these two sons, I have not been able to trace any other siblings, William and Ann's marriage or their parents.
Any information on Thomas' heritage would be very greatly appreciated as I would love to be able to trace the family back as far as possible.
Regards,
Tissy :)
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Not sure what records you've already checked out ... the dates you've mentioned are before the start of civil records so you will need to investigate church records. What denomination were your O'Kelly/Germaine family ?
See : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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There's a possible 1844 baptism for Thomas as 'Kelly', with mother's maiden name Germaine in the RC parish of Baltinglass on the free-index of pay-website at www.rootsireland.ie
On the same index there's a possible marriage for Ann Germaine to a William Kelly in 1831...not sure which parish though...
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Thank you so much for your information. Most of the information I had to start with on E P O'Kelly was taken from a newspaper obituary for published in the "Southern Star (Bega)" of September 23, 1914, most of which had been extracted from the 'Nationalist and Leister Times'. Unfortunately no date was noted for that publication. I'll see if I can find it on line.
I have found Edward Peter O'Kelly, his wife Judith and family on the 1901 census "Residents of a house 3 in Baltinglass East Town (Baltinglass, Wicklow). Edward was shown as aged 54, Merchant and Auctioneer and the whole family was shown as Roman Catholic which fits with the baptism of the Thomas that you have found.
After I had posted my request yesterday I came across a partial transcription of Baltinglass Cemetery on which there is an Anne Kelly listed. She died on 12 March 1872, age 64 yr, w/o William. Also listed are Annie, Edward, Margaret, Marie, Michael and William Kelly, all children of Anne and William. No sign of husband William though.
One thing that does intrigue me is that Edward was known as O'Kelly and the rest of the family was known as Kelly. The only reasons that I believe that Edward and Thomas were of the one family is the opening sentence of E P's obituary which read: "Some time ago we announced the death of Mr E P O'Kelly, an Irish Member of the House of Commons, and last surviving brother of Alderman T J Kelly of Bega". T J was Thomas and his death record shows that his parents were William and Anne.
Hope that this information makes them a little easier to pinpoint. Thank you once again for all your help.
Best Regards,
Tissy
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just for your information, there's currently a bar/restaurant in Baltinglass called Germaine's.
eadaoin
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Hi Eadaoin,
Thanks for that, I had already found it on the net. A Thomas Germaine was the Publican there in 1910. These two families are getting more interesting by the minute, obviously lots more searching to be done. Many thanks.
Regards,
Tissy
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Tizzy,
I have a significant amount of material - mostly gleaned from the Internet - on the Germaine and O'Kelly families going back to the 1700's and including information on the Bega O'Kelly's.
I will organise it in a form that is shareable with you and post it in pdf format. Please bear with me for a week or two before I have it organised.
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Hi Newtownbarry,
Thank you so much, any information will be greatly appreciated. So far I seem to have found eight of William and Anne's children including Thomas and John who came to Australia. I have the deaths of Anne and six of her children in Baltinglass, the only one that I am having difficulty in finding the death of is William Kelly Snr.
I do have a lot of information on the Australian lines so I really look forward to hearing from you. Hopefully we can fill in a few gaps for each other.
Many thanks,
Tissy
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Tizzy,
I am having difficulty sharing information with you due to the limits on the number of charachers that may be included in messages (5500 max) and the size of attachments (500KB max).
Might I suggest that you fax your e-mail address to me at + * and I will e-mail the material directly to you.
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Hi Newtownbarry,
Can you just post another message to me under this subject and then we will be able to contact each other via PM's.
Regards,
Tissy
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Hello
Yes I am pretty sure I have information for you my Grandfather was Mr William O'kelly his brother did a family tree in July 1969
Saw your post on Goggle after putting in my Grandfathers name & where he was from & have joined roots chat today.
Sian
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Hi Philpot,
Lovely to hear from you and welcome to Rootschat, it is a great site.
I'd be very grateful if you could let me know where and when William died and is buried, he is my only real brick wall at the moment. If you haven't got the Australian side on your Great Uncle's Tree I'd be only too happy to let you have all that I have. Once you have done three posts on Rootschat we can send each other personal messages which will make it easier to send the records.
Cheers,
Tissy
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Hi
My Grandad William. D. O'kelly died Feb 1988
Kingsbridge Cemetry Swansea South Wales
I have the Australia Family tree up untill 1969
Thank you speak soon
:)
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Hi Philpot,
Thanks for the info but unfortunately your Grandad is not the William O'kelly I am looking for. The one I need to find was William Kelly born either 1802 or 1807, Baltinglass, Co Wicklow who married Anne Germaine, Co Wicklow on 19 July 1831.
Their children were: John b 1836, Margaret b 1838, Maria b c1839, Annie bc 1840, William b 1843, Thomas Joseph b 1844, Edward Peter b 1847 (he is the one who added the 'O' to the name) and Michael b 1849.
If this is your line it would be great to be able to swap information.
Cheers,
Tissy
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Hi
Sorry for delay getting back
On the Family tree Starting with William Kelly & Anne Germaine
Children are William, Michael, Lawrence, Edward Peter, Maria, Annie, Bridget, Thomas, John, Teresa, Patrick.
Our Family comes from Patrick
Where does yours come from ?
Speak soon :)
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Hi Philpot,
Sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to you, I have a bout of the flu.
I'm not actually descended from the Kelly clan, I'm doing the research on the family for a friend who is descended from Thomas Joseph Kelly. I've found a heck of lot for her to date but as I said previously, the one brick wall I have is finding the death and burial of William Kelly, husband of Anne Germaine. Any help you could give with that would be much appreciated.
Thanks also for the extra children that you had listed, I hadn't found Bridget, Teresa or Patrick but I did have Margaret b c 1838 who died aged 6 years and is buried with her mother and some of her siblings in the one grave at Baltinglass cemetery. I have a photo of the headstone if you would like it.
Hopefully hear from you soon.
Regards,
Tissy
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Thank you a photo of that would be great
William Kelly Opened a Store in Baltinglass in 1825
He had a brother Michael
There father was Patrick Kelly who was a farmer near Baltinglass
On Family tree I have the Children of William & Anne
William -died
Michael -died in a accident
lawrence
Edward Peter Married Judith Whelan
Maria
Annie - Religous Order
Bridget
Thomas married Sarah Gowing in Australia
John Married Annie & Madge Died
Theresa - Religous Order
Patrick Married Catherine Kelly (Catto)
Sorry I dont Know where William died
Your freind how old is she or he ?
I am 40 yrs old
Hope you are feeling better Flu is horrible :(
Take care speak soon
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Hello,
William O'Kelly was my ancestor of mine and I have a bit of information about him. Edward Peter O'Kelly became an MP for West Wicklow for the Irish Parliamentary Party and died on the floor of the House of Commons in 1914. The rules of the House of Commons had to be amended because of that. If you want more information feel free to private message me and I'll send you a family tree.
All the best.
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Cutting to the quick the Germaine family is alive and well today in Baltinglass, which leads to the question as to why not contact them direct? pete
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Many thanks gamberro
tried sending a pm but not working will try later if you have got your family tree that would be great
Thanks Again :)
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Thank you very much
:)
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Hi Gamberro,
I sent you a PM but I doubt if you received it as you must make three posts before you can send or receive PM's. If you reply to this message, that will be another post. Best Regards,
Tissy
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Hi Pete,
I've pretty well got the Germaine side of the family covered, it is mainly the death of William Kelly that is elluding me. I am in contact with a researcher who's wife is descended directly from the Germaine side but would be more than happy to have contact with any others. And I'm more than happy to share any information that I have, including photos which are mainly of the Australian descendants. If you would like to send me a PM perhaps we could take it from there.
Regards,
Tissy
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Wall family have lived in Baltinglass for generations having started off in nearby Dunlavin.
FYI John Wall and Joseph Germaine in past decade have been involved in local development projects.
I suggest you Google John's name and/or contact him @ Germaine's pub/restaurant.
You can drive from one end of Baltinglass to the other in 2 minnutes ~ it's that small of a hamlet and it follows that they all know one another. You'll also find their names on Baltinglass blogs.
pete
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Hi Pete,
Many thanks for that info, I'll follow through on it.
Regards,
Tissy
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I am brand new to this site, and am happy to find family doing the same research, although I have all the information posted, my great great grandfather is Thomas.J.Kelly from Bega then Edward Germaine Kelly then my father Thomas Joseph who moved to Fyshwick outside Canberra when he was ten years old. Mike Kelly of Queanbeyan who is Parlimentary Secretary for Defense, Eden-Monaro. his great grandfather is Thomas J. Kelly from Bega Cheese. I have only been able to go back as far as Patrick, where we all seem to be stuck. Weanie :
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This is a photo of T.J. Kelly who founded Bega Cheese, my great grandfather.
1844-1918.
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As previously mentioned my line is T.J.Kelly from Bega, but I now reside in the U.S. Does anyone know which brother of T.J.Kelly went to the United States?
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Hello,
I found your post on Google while looking for some details on my fathers family.
My great grandfather was Edward P. O' Kelly, and my Grandmother was Muriel, listed on the 1911 census, aged 17, with her Mum and her sister, while I would imagine EP was in London.
I am trying to find out more details about the family and in particular, Muriel's brothers and sisters, as my father passed many years ago, along with all the family history.
Would you know if a photograph exists of EP O'Kelly, which I would love to see and show my children.
Many Thanks
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Hello,
I found your post on Google while looking for some details on my fathers family.
My great grandfather was Edward P. O' Kelly, and my Grandmother was Muriel Carmella, listed on the 1911 census, aged 17, with her Mum and her sister and on the 1901 census at No 3.
I am trying to find out more details about the family and in particular, Muriel's brothers and sisters, but also, Uncle's Grandparents and Grand Uncles (Australian connections especially) as my father passed many years ago, along with all the family history.
Would you know if a photograph exists of EP O'Kelly or any of the family, which I would love to see and show my children.
My paternal Grandfather was a 'Kelly' from Carlow, however he became 'O'Kelly' when he married my Grandmother on the insistence that she retain her fathers name and it has continued to the present day.
I have some photos and information I could share on our particular branch.
Many Thanks
Gus
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Hi Gus,
I'm sorry that I cannot help with any photos of E P O'Kelly. I've had a look on the Web but nothing comes up unfortunately. The only thing that I can think of is to contact the House of Commons to see if they have a portrait of him. The House of Commons Information Office can be contacted via email to hcinfo[ at ]parliament.uk. In Australia it was and is a common practice to have portraits taken of all sitting MP's so hopefully the same would apply in the UK. The only other place I can think of to look for a photo would be the Irish newspapers, The Freeman's Journal did have a lot of articles on him.
I'm in contact with quite a few descendants of the Kelly family from Baltinglass, I'll contact some of them to see if they can help. I do have a few photos of the Australian line of the family that came from Edward Peter's brothers, Thomas Joseph and John. When you have made another post, we will be able to contact each other via a PM and I can send you photos direct.
Good luck with the search,
Tissy
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There is a picture of EP OKelly in the book "Baltinglass Cronicles" by a Paul Gorry. I probably can't put a copy of the picture on here due to copyright issues but I could email a copy of the picture if you like.
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Hi Tissy,
Thank you so much for your message. A PM about Thomas Joseph and John would be great. We have family in Sydney, who would love to know more about the Australian connections.
Since posting, I have spoken to some great people in Baltinglass. They were all extremely helpful, which was really appreciated as we knew very little about the family. I have also had a chance to speak to one of the O'Kelly's, my Dad's first cousin, which was really incredible as he was able to fill in most of our missing details.
As yet, no photo of E.P., however I spoke to Paul Gorry, author of 'Baltinglass Chronicles' and he tells me there is a photo of 'EP' in his book. 'Charlie J' on this site (thanks Charlie), posted to confirm the same. So will hopefully track it down soon.
I will also attach some 'Press cuttings' and 'Hansard' that I have collated as soon as I can send a PM and forward copies of some photos at home we think maybe 'EP' with my grandmother, which we can confirm once we look at Paul's book.
Thanks again.
Kind Regards
Gus
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Hi Charlie,
Thanks for your post about Paul's book. He told me about the photo on the phone so I have a copy on order from an on-line site.
I would love to know more about the circumstances surrounding his death, if anyone has more details. As Tissy suggested, I will also enquire from the 'Commons' and see if he is recorded in the gallery.
Thanks again
Gus
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Hello
We found you on Google, but boy what a hassle to finally post.
My husbands Gt. Grandfather was T.J. Kelly from Bega. We have been trying to do some research on this side of the family. His Mother was a Kelly, her Mother was Lavinia Lewis and her Father was Daniel Kelly, who was the son of T.J. Kelly and Sarah Gowing. We went to Ireland last May (2012) & stayed at the Germaine's Hotel, which in past years used to be a store that a Kelly owned. We unfortunately were only there one night, so didn't get to meet any Kelly's, but we did make contact with Joe Germaine, who owned the hotel, and is related through the Germaine side of the family.
Look forward to hearing from other descendants of this line.
Best Wishes
Peter & Ros
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Hi Ros & Peter,
Sorry it has taken me a while to get back to you, I was trying to remember how I knew your name. I finally cracked it last night, we met last year in Bega. I"ll send you an email direct shortly.
Regards,
Tissy
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Hi
Just a note for those looking for details for 'Edward Peter O'Kelly's family' in the 1901 Census.
Unfortunately, the record has been entered with the surname 'Edward Peter' and forename O'Kelly.
The family are registered in House #3, Baltinglass East Town and the occupants are;
EP O'Kelly, 54
Judith O'Kelly, 39
Eileen O'Kelly, 17
Teresa O'Kelly, 10
Muriel O'Kelly, 7
Agnes O'Kelly, 6
Patrick O'Kelly, 5
Ethel O'Kelly, 1
& non family member
Clare Martin, 17
Hope that helps
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Hi All
I am David O'Kelly, my father is * O'Kelly (81) From Baltinglass. His father and mother were Edward John O'Kelly & Katharine (O'Toole) O'Kelly and his father was EP O'Kelly. We have many pics and memorabilia for EP including the silver trowel that laid the foundation stone to the McAllister/Dwyer monument in Baltinglass and the silverware that he was presented with on his release from Kilmainham for his part in the land league struggle with Parnell and his associates.
It so happens that we are organizing an EP O'Kelly Clan Gathering in Baltinglass in July of 2014.
I am in the process of setting up a Facebook event to keep all informed and reach out to all interested parties in Australia etc..
All the Best
David
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Dear Newtownbarry
Thank you so much for getting in touch with us.
I hope you get this, as I am unable to reply to your post to us.
We would greatly appreciate any information on the family.
If we can give you any information of the Oz side, let us know. We do not have a lot but you are more than welcome to what we have.
We will be attending the Gathering in July in Ireland.
Best Wishes
Peter & Roslyn Dunning
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Photograph of EP O'Kelly (1847 - 1914)
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Hi hope im on the right board,im new to this. Im looking for information on my 3rd great grandfather James Dunne from Baltinglass Wicklow born c1815.He moved to Dublin around the 1830s 40s i think. His daughter was Catherine Dunne born c1838,married Thomas Tyrrell 1859 in St Pauls Arran quay.They were neighbours on Hammond lane. Thanks.
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My Gt Grandfather was also T.J. Kelly, and my grandfather was Edward Germaine Kelly, who married Madeline O'Hare, my father their son, was T.J. Kelly also, we grew up on a dairy farm in Fyshwick Canberra. Don't know how far back you have been able to go, but Anne and William were from Baltinglass then his father we believe was Patrick, if you have any additional information, we would appreciate it. Thanks Jeanie Madelene Brandeberry née Kelly.
uote author=Peter Roslyn Dunning link=topic=581316.msg4889712#msg4889712 date=1364944555]
Hello
We found you on Google, but boy what a hassle to finally post.
My husbands Gt. Grandfather was T.J. Kelly from Bega. We have been trying to do some research on this side of the family. His Mother was a Kelly, her Mother was Lavinia Lewis and her Father was Daniel Kelly, who was the son of T.J. Kelly and Sarah Gowing. We went to Ireland last May (2012) & stayed at the Germaine's Hotel, which in past years used to be a store that a Kelly owned. We unfortunately were only there one night, so didn't get to meet any Kelly's, but we did make contact with Joe Germaine, who owned the hotel, and is related through the Germaine side of the family.
Look forward to hearing from other descendants of this line.
Best Wishes
Peter & Ros
[/quote]Hi hope im on the right board,im new to this. Im looking for information on my 3rd great grandfather James Dunne from Baltinglass Wicklow born c1815.He moved to Dublin around the 1830s 40s i think. His daughter was Catherine Dunne born c1838,married Thomas Tyrrell 1859 in St Pauls Arran quay.They were neighbours on Hammond lane. Thanks.