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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: blue000125 on Thursday 16 February 12 23:30 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I was wondering is there any grave yards with Fennellys in these areas. Ballynakill, Johnstown Durrow,Kile,Rapalagh. The people im looking for are Ben Fennelly and Bridget Fennelly born abut 1740 - 1760s. Murtha Fennelly born 1792 he also had a son Murtha Fennelly who is buried in abbeyleix died 1918. Have you come accross any fennellys above
Regards
David
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Does anyone have an email address For Jack McDonald he is into grave yards for co laois
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http://www.genealogylaois.com
is my website, and I can be contacted thru there.
Jack
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Hi David,Murtha Fennelly is interred in Abbeyleix,[old graveyard] with his wife Eliza Maher [Erill] Married in Raheen on 1/5/1872.Lived in badger island,shanahoe.Children.Honor b.22/7/72 died same year but unable to prove.Patrick/Mary ellen.[twins]b.18/1/77.derrykearn.Anne.b.6/6/79.Fossy.between ballyroan/timahoe.died 1885.James.'the bal' b.14/4/85.abbeyleix.Nora.b.1881.unable to locate data.Mathew.b.ballygriffin,co,cork,1883.[shoemaker].Thomas.b.1887 [my grandfather].more info if required.Feno
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Hi David,
I’ve also got Murtha, as Murty Fennelly in my tree . I’ve got him marrying a Mary Ann Bergin on Dec 1st 1820 at Clough, Ballacolla and going to have my Great Great Grandad Martin October 25th 1829, at Bushfield, Agabahoe. In other peoples trees they have him re marrying a Mary Leonard and then going on to have Murtha , mentioned above in the graveyard in Abbeyleix. I wonder if anyone has any information regarding the two marriages or if I’ve got something wrong. Look forward to hearing from you,
Karen x
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
....Murtha Fennelly is interred in Abbeyleix,[old graveyard] with his wife Eliza Maher [Erill] Married in Raheen on 1/5/1872.Lived in badger island,shanahoe.
Married 14 May 1872. Murtha living at Badger Island, Eliza living at Shanahoe.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11309/8149510.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/laois/upperwoods/offerlane/donore/badgerisland/
https://www.townlands.ie/laois/maryborough-west/clonenagh-and-clonagheen/clash/shanahoe/
1901 census
House 29 in Main Street (Abbeyleix, Queen's Co.).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Abbeyleix/Main_Street/1640854/
KG
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Hi KG,
Thankyou so much for your reply. It’s that Murthers father that I’m curious about. As David mentioned Murthers parents were Ben and Bridget and the Murther you and David refer to is his son but I have the same Murther (son of Ben and Bridget ) as my GGGGrandfather but his wife a Mary Ann Bergin the mother of my GGGrandfather Martin. Murthers mother is Mary Leonard , so two marriages. The time line fits and I’ve seen Mary Leonard and their children listed in a few trees , I just can’t find any proof, I’d love both families to be linked in this way and would maybe prove some of my DNA links x
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Honor b.22/7/72 died same year but unable to prove.Patrick/Mary ellen.[twins]b.18/1/77.derrykearn.Anne.b.6/6/79.Fossy.between ballyroan/timahoe.died 1885.James.'the bal' b.14/4/85.abbeyleix.Nora.b.1881.unable to locate data.Mathew.b.ballygriffin,co,cork,1883.[shoemaker].Thomas.b.1887 [my grandfather].
Birth record - Honor 1872
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03233/2185231.pdf
John - 29 January 1882
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02792/2024970.pdf
Anne - 6 June 1879
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02917/2068915.pdf
James - 14 April 1885
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02645/1975612.pdf
Edited to Add:
Thomas Fennelly - 26 August 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02547/1942782.pdf
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Patrick/Mary ellen.[twins]b.18/1/77.derrykearn
Took a bit of finding! :D
Written as Finnally.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03022/2107281.pdf
Derrykearn townland
https://www.townlands.ie/laois/maryborough-west/clonenagh-and-clonagheen/raheen/derrykearn/
1911 census - Murtagh and Eliza Fennelly. Eight children born, five still living.
House 8 in New Ross Street (Abbeyleix, Queen's Co.).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Abbeyleix/New_Ross_Street/781591/
Thomas on the census as married.
Marriage of Thomas Fennelly to Kate Brennan - 6 February 1911
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09940/5613992.pdf
KG
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Marriage of Thomas Fennelly to Kate Brennan - 6 February 1911
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09940/5613992.pdf
Five children born to the couple up to 1921-
John Fennelly 1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01480/1602828.pdf
Martin Fennelly 1913
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01439/1589575.pdf
Mary Ellen Fennelly 1914
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01386/1570048.pdf
Patrick Fennelly 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01327/1548061.pdf
Kathleen Fennelly 1919
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01247/1518192.pdf
The last three born at Rathmoyle townland on the northern outskirts of Abbeyleix.
https://www.townlands.ie/laois/cullenagh/abbeyleix/abbeyleix/rathmoyle/
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Hi, David / Karen,/ Ben Fennelly married Bridget Murphy circa 1791.Murtha Fennelly/1/ B.5/3/1792 in Rapalagh,Durrow,Murtha/1/ married Mary ann Bergin in 1821,family.Ben,B.5/1/1822, Matthew B.27/8/1824,Mary B.3/1/1827,Martin,B,25/10/1829,John B.24/10/1832,in Kyle.Murtha/1/married for a second time circa 1832 and 1836.remarried. Mary Leonard B.knockfin,Laoise.family,Bridget,B,18/10/1836.Ballacolla,Matthew,B.24/2/1839.Ahaboe,Murtha B.14/6/1844,Kyle.Murtha/2/ married Elizabeth Maher B.Shanahoe in Raheen,1872. Family,Honor died in infancy. B22/7/72,Mary,1/1/1877,Patrick.B1/1/1877 [twins] M ary to USA.Patrick died in drowning accident,Anne B.6/6/1879.died 3/3/1885,Nora B,1881.USA.Matthew,B,1883 in co, Cork,James,B,1885 Thomas B, 1887 died 1918.[spanish flu] Murtha died 28/11/1922.and is interred in family plot at the graveyard in Abbeyleix town,one good stroke i noticed about Murtha /2/.about 1905 the old age pension was first issued to people over the age of 70,and according to the 1901 census Murtha was aged 56 and the 1911 census he was 74 ??? 7 BOB A WEEK.so would i.regards feno,
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Murtha died 28/11/1922.and is interred in family plot at the graveyard in Abbeyleix town,one good stroke i noticed about Murtha /2/.about 1905 the old age pension was first issued to people over the age of 70....
Death 1922 at the County Hospital, Abbeyleix.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1922/05063/4387680.pdf
The 1908 State Pension law was passed in August 1908 and the first pensions paid on 1 January 1909 to around 500,000 people aged 70 or more.
The introduction of the State Pension is why many peoples ages are incorrect on the 1911 Census of Ireland where people upped their age in the hope of getting a pension a few years early.
In order to establish a person's age, a search of the 1841 and 1851 census was necessary.
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Hi Feno, thank you so much for your reply. So do I presume that were related ?? Murtha 1792 was my GGG Grandad and his son Martin was my GG Grandad. When I visited this summer I met Fennellys who we’re related back to this Murtha but via Mary Leonard, not Mary Ann Bergin which is my root and I so wanted there to be a connection although I’d seen other people list the two marriages I couldn’t find proof. I found a marriage record for a Mary Leonard marrying a Micheal Fennelly . But i’ll happily take your word for it . I think I saw Murthas grave ,whilst I was looking for my relatives grave in Abbeyleix as the man I met it was his relatives grave . And by doesn’t he seem canny, clever man, get what you can that’s what I say. Thanks again Karen x
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Hi Feno, Just re checked it must have been your cousins or brothers I met as their Grandad was Thomas x
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Hi Karen,Murtha /1/ is my GG.Grandfather B1792.Murtha /2/ B.1844 is from his second marriage to Mary Leonard,my G grandfather is Murtha /2/ married Elizabeth Maher,,Raheen church in 1872.list of siblings in previous message.Thomas B.1887 married Kate Brennan,in castlecomer on 17/2/1891.my grandad and grannie. Siblings.John B.21/7/1912. Martin B ,1913.Ellie [Ellen] B 1915. Cathy.B.1918. grandad died in1918 [spanish flu] his mother also.grannie Kate died in 1954.I hope this makes some sense to you,;cause i;m lost.regards,Feno.
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Thomas B.1887 married Kate Brennan,in castlecomer on 17/2/1891.
See reply #8
Marriage of Thomas Fennelly to Kate Brennan - 6 February 1911
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Murtha /1/ is my GG.Grandfather B1792.Murtha /2/ B.1844 is from his second marriage to Mary Leonard,my G grandfather is Murtha /2/ married Elizabeth Maher,,Raheen church in 1872.list of siblings in previous message.Thomas B.1887 married Kate Brennan,in castlecomer on 17/2/1891.my grandad and grannie. Siblings.John B.21/7/1912. Martin B ,1913.Ellie [Ellen] B 1915. Cathy.B.1918. grandad died in1918 [spanish flu] his mother also.grannie Kate died in 1954.I hope this makes some sense to you,;cause i;m lost.
See reply #9 for all the correct birth dates for the siblings.
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See reply 14 at 12/27 pm.should read, Thomas. B. 1887 married Kate Brennan B.[1892] in Castlecomer on 6/ 2/ 1911.
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See reply 14 at 12/27 pm.should read, Thomas. B. 1887 married Kate Brennan B.[1892] in Castlecomer on 6/ 2/ 1911.
Already mentioned at reply #8
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Is this the death of your grandmother in Rathmoyle townland, Abbeyleix ???
26 May 1953. Informant indicated as her daughter Kathleen Scully.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1953/04467/4170973.pdf
grandad died in1918 [spanish flu] his mother also.grannie Kate died in 1954.
Other deaths 1918-
Thomas aged 33 yrs
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05169/4426240.pdf
Eliza aged 71 yrs
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05169/4426238.pdf
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Hello Kiltaglassan,many thanks for your brilliant work,you are a star,one piece of information re New Ross St.Abbeyleix,it is and for as long as i can remember known as new Row,but i am sure you are aware of same.Thanks again,Feno.
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...one piece of information re New Ross St.Abbeyleix,it is and for as long as i can remember known as new Row,but i am sure you are aware of same.T
Indeed, the transcriber on the 1911 census has typed it as New Ross Street when it was clearly New Row 'Street' (see reply #8 and underneath attachment).
On the OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer.
(click 'Accept' and 'OK'. Click 'X' in the black band. Then select MapGenie 25 Inch [1887-1913] in Basemap Gallery) where it's definitely New Row.
https://arcg.is/1Sq8fD1
KG
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So….. the two brothers I met in Abbeyleix, whom I was hoping that I have a dna link to were related to Murtha 2 , but then obviously Murtha 1 . Their grand parents were Thomas and Kate , so share grand parents with you Feno. One of the brothers houses he said was built on the site of his Grandma ( Kate) old house, up the Ballyroan road . They said how the Grandma had brought the children upon her own after Grandads death. So if Murtha 1 did marry twice then we all share Murtha 1 but then come from the two lines of his children with different wives x
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Hello Karen,just wondering if you know anything about your G.G.G,father and his siblings,i know that their stepsisters emigrated to USA,around the end of 19 teen century, had there been family there earlier.normally ships passage ticket was paid by a brother or sister settled in USA.Regards,Feno.
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I don’t sorry and I only know a little about Martin, that he was born in Bushfield Oct 25th 1829, was married to Mary Quinn in Abbeyleix Nov 25th 1856 and died there May 7th 1899. They had John, Patrick, Margaret, Mary, William and my GGrandad Michael. I met the lovely Sacristan at Abbeyleix church and she went through the Baptismal records with me, the ladies in Parish records office were very helpful too. My Great Grandad Michael went on to marry Ellen Brennan from Ballinakill where they then lived and had their children including my Granadad Edward.
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My Great Grandad Michael went on to marry Ellen Brennan from Ballinakill where they then lived and had their children including my Granadad Edward.
Michael Fennelly married Ellen Brennan on 11 July 1899 at Abbeyleix RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10391/5783609.pdf
1911 census - Fennelly
House 16 in Ballinakill Town (Ballinakill, Queen's Co.)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Ballinakill/Ballinakill_Town/782096/
Dnafinder, do you have all these children's births up to 1910?
Mary Fennelly born 9 May 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01994/1767327.pdf
Bridget FINLAY born 15 August 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01941/1750760.pdf
Martin Fennelly born 28 February 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01837/1717312.pdf
Edward Fennelly born 28 May 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01738/1686863.pdf
John Fennelly born 14 May 1908
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01653/1659818.pdf
Ellen Fennelly born 8 June 1909, died 14 November 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01611/1646467.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05435/4519881.pdf
Michael Fennelly born 19 November 1910
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01548/1626386.pdf
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Further Fennelly children from 1911 to 1920.
Eliza and Kate Fennelly (twins) born 15 December 1911 at Drimaterrill townland. Eliza died on 20 December 1911. Kate died on 31 December 1911.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01509/1612963.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1911/05380/4501245.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05372/4498421.pdf
William Fennelly born 10 February 1914 at Drimateryl [sic]
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01419/1583172.pdf
Margaret Fennelly born 10 November 1915 at Drimatirl [sic]
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01271/1527097.pdf
Patrick Fennelly born 14 December 1916, died 15 January 1919
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01327/1548066.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05159/4422819.pdf
Patrick Fennelly born 16 May 1919
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01247/1518196.pdf
Julia Fennelly born 23 April 1920
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01215/1505232.pdf
Drimaterril townland
https://www.townlands.ie/laois/cullenagh/dysartgallen/ballinakill/drimaterril/
Ballinakill
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4581723#map=15/52.8757/-7.3042
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HI,The information i have is not research i carried out myself,i am sure the info, on Murtha is accurate,but after reading your recent reply i am not so sure of the 1st marriage,re Mary anne Bergin.in1821.family born to Murtha and Mary anne Bergin.Benjamin,5/1822. Matthew,27/8/1824.Mary,3/1/1827.Martin,25/10/1829.John,24/10/1832. this is where the problem occurs,Bridget,18/10/1836.born in Ballacolla.Matthew,24/2/1839,born ahaboe.Murtha[2] b.14/6/1844.we have two Matthews and really two Martins,as you know murtha is the irish for Martin
was born in Kyle, Lets see what happens next.regards, Feno.
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Hello again,just to add i never heard of Fennellys in Ballinakill,i never heard of relations in that area,i had an uncle Paddy who lived 1 mile from barnakill [in Ralish]he used to drink the odd pint there and i am sure the craic would have been great if he had cousins there.
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Hello again,just to add i never heard of Fennellys in Ballinakill,i never heard of relations in that area,i had an uncle Paddy who lived 1 mile from barnakill [in Ralish]he used to drink the odd pint there and i am sure the craic would have been great if he had cousins there.
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Do you mean Ballinakill?
The townland of Ralish is approximately 3km north of the village of Ballinakill.
https://www.townlands.ie/laois/cullenagh/dysartgallen/abbeyleix/ralish/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4581738#map=13/52.8904/-7.3119
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Yes, home turf you might say.
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Is this the death of your grandmother in Rathmoyle townland, Abbeyleix ???
26 May 1953. Informant indicated as her daughter Kathleen Scully.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1953/04467/4170973.pdf
grandad died in1918 [spanish flu] his mother also.grannie Kate died in 1954.
Other deaths 1918-
Thomas aged 33 yrs
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05169/4426240.pdf
Eliza aged 71 yrs
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05169/4426238.pdf
Yes, Grandfather and G.grandmother.
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Sorry for my late reply, yes those are my Grandad Edward (Neds) parents and his siblings. I wasn’t aware of the ones who had died until I researched, including two Patrick’s , and Julia who it turned out ended up being referred to as Sheila . Thank you so much for searching for me though x
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So …. I’ve seen a few people posting that Murtha 1 married twice but the people I contacted didn’t reply. I’ve got him bapatised as Murty and can find marriage records for him marrying Mary Ann Bergin in Clough , Ballacolla on Dec 1st 1820. I don’t have a death record for her though so can’t fit the dates to see if she dies before Murtha could re marry Mary Leonard.
When I was trying to find a second marriage record however I could only find a record of a Mary Leonard marrying I think a Michael Fennelly , which seems a little strange.
My GGrandad Michael ( Murty &Marys son) married Ellen Brennan who was from Ballinakill , they ended up living in Drimaterril in a house opposite Ballinakill GAA. Their son Edward my Grandad after marrying my Grandma Mary Dunne from Monesterverin lived in a house on the Square but moved to England about 1950.
My grandads brother and sister Jack (John) and Madge ( Margaret) both continued to live in the Drimaterril house until they died mid 1980s .
Karen.
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Just a few miles from ballinakill,Moneenroe ,ls where my paternal Gran.was born, Kate Brennan,who married Thomas,G.f. feno
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I’ve seen lovely pictures of her in peoples trees and Thomas, and wondered if the Brennans were also related …ha!!! I think my GGrandma Ellen Brennans parents lived on Church St Ballinakill .
They both started to appear very familiar though I have to say 😆.
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Chapel Street :)
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Chapel Street :)
Google Maps Satellite
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s0b/
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Ahhh thank you KG , you’re a star x
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Is this the death of your grandmother in Rathmoyle townland, Abbeyleix ???
[YES]
26 May 1953. Informant indicated as her daughter Kathleen Scully.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1953/04467/4170973.pdf
grandad died in1918 [spanish flu] his mother also.grannie Kate died in 1954.
Other deaths 1918-
Thomas aged 33 yrs +
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05169/4426240.pdf
Eliza aged 71 yrs +
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1918/05169/4426238.pdf
Yes, Grandfather and G.grandmother.
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The death registration for Kate Fennelly clearly shows the date as 26 May 1953 NOT 1954 as you keep posting.
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This topic has been edited to remove a number of posts which were repeated quotes of previous messages. It had become confusing - probably unintentionally - and was causing a bit of upset all round. Hopefully it all still makes sense and no information has been lost.
Wishing everyone a Happy and peaceful New Year - and happy ancestor hunting.
Nell
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Very much unintentional.