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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: boscoe on Saturday 18 February 12 22:01 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for anything on him. He is cited in a marriage certificate of 1866, St. Johns, Lambeth, as the father of Elizabeth Pickard and an omnibus owner. Yet, he appears not no records I have searched. Any clues?
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I noticed that Ancestry had the marriage registration, but transcribed as Rickard. Following her up with her husband I see she gives herself as b Fulham c1846
On 1851 there is an Elizabeth Richard in aged 6 the Fulham workhouse - image looks very like Pickard to me
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1861 - an Elizabeth Rokhard aged 15 b Fulham, neice of William Hare, licenced victualler b Carterton, Rutland and Lucy, b stanley, Warwickshire. Both are 45
They're in Kingston on Thames, where Elizabeth and her husband are living in 1871
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As far as I can work out, William's wife was a Lucy Harris, married in 1858
As yet haven't found a Hare or Harris marriage to a Pickard. I'm guessing one or both parent had died before 1851 for Elizabeth to be in an orphange
I have I think found William in London in 1871 -his place of birth is somewhat variable. 1851 has Easterton, Northants. 1871 possible is b Bedfordshire. He is a cabdriver and has children who are not around on 1861 and predating his marriage to Lucy)
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have aso spotted a John Pickard 12 and Joseph Pickard 11 also in the Fulham workhouse in 1851. There;s a family of Elizabeth (30) with Sarah 4, John 3 ad Samuel 1 in Fulham on 1841 - wonder if Joseph and Samuel are the same person?
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Spotted that John ends up in Norfolk, then spotted an Albert Pickard b Fulham c1848 also in Norfolk, listed as son of Samuel and Elizabeth Wilson. She is born around 1808 in Stoneleigh, warwickshire - could this be where Stanley, birthplace of young Elizabeth's aunt Lucy, comes from?
Haven't found a marriage to Samuel Wilson yet, or Albert's birth, but can see that there was a Joseph Samuel Pickard b 1840 in the Kensington area
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Thank you for your kind searching of JS Pickard. Un- fortunately little of your citations seem to fit in. Elizabeth Pickard was my great grandmother. She has no birth registration but claimed Fulham 1846-48. She is in the 1851 Islington census with a mother of the same name. No males evident. You are right, she lived in Kingston in 1871, now as E. Wickens. Perhaps she was E. Rokhard, 15 Fulham in 1861. I'll check it out. On her 1866 marriage certificate she cites Joseph Samuel Pickard, omnibus owner, as her father. This guy is no where to be found so far. Names like it seem not to fit in by age or area, etc. Who is he? In 1866 he must have been + or - age 40.
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If that is her aged 3 in the 1851 census in Islington
It gives her birth as Islington and her mother Elizabeth Pickard gives herself as widow
Her grandmother Charlotte Baldwin is with them
Elizabeth Baldwin born 11/6/1829 bapt St.Leonards 2/7/1829 parents Charlotte & Anthony Milkman Nelson Street
Jennifer
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Thank you, Jennifer. It looks valid enough. I've come across 1829 before, but that would make #1 Elizabeth about 22 in 1851, not 25 as she stated.
Eliz #2 aways cited her birth as Fulham in 1847, once 46. Where was this baptism of Eliz #1 [b. 1929]? She was born in Stepany [East London]. Is St. Leonard in Fulham, Stepany, Islington?
That address you gave is picturesque. Where is that?
I still wonder about #1 as a widow and #2 as illegitimate. Can an illegitimate be baptised in this age?
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Sorry, St.Leonards Shoreditch.
Jennifer
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Is that is Middlesex? Near where?
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Yes Middlesex, East London.
Jennifer
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The thing that is hard to understand is the 1851 Census. Ancestry.com says Eliz #1 is UNmarried. You cite that she is a widow. The letter is very difficult to see even if enlarged. Where did you get WIDOW?
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The thing that is hard to understand is the 1851 Census. Ancestry.com says Eliz #1 is UNmarried. You cite that she is a widow. The letter is very difficult to see even if enlarged. Where did you get WIDOW?
It looks (on balance) a W to me.
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I'm a bit confused as to why the 3 yr old Elizabeth in Islington in 1851 has been alighted upon.
In London terms, Islington and Fulham are very far from one another (north-central-east/south-west respectively).
If after her marriage Elizabeth gives her birthplace as Fulham, how has it been identified that the Islington-born 3 yr old in 1851 is the right person?
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1861 - an Elizabeth Rokhard aged 15 b Fulham, neice of William Hare, licenced victualler b Carterton, Rutland and Lucy, b stanley, Warwickshire. Both are 45
William Hare is one of the witnesses to the 1866 marriage of Elizabeth to Israel Wickens, so this seems a good find.
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Holy Trinity Brompton 23/6/1859
William Hare & Lucy Harris both single both 44 Licenced Vict.
Fathers William Harris & Robert Hare both farmers.
Jennifer
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If it's of any interest there is on familysearch an Elizabeth Bush Harriss b 1807 and a Lucy Harriss b 1813, one of a number of children b to William and Elizabeth Harriss of stoneleigh
And with that additional name - voila!
Name: Elizabeth Bush Harris
Spouse Name: John Samuel Pickard
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Aug 1836
Parish: Fulham All Saints
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
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John Samuel Pickard death reg Mar qtr 1840 Kensington
John Samuel Pickard born 23.11.1803 bapt.21/12/1803 St.Giles Cripplegate
parents Joseph (Serv) & Sarah
Jennifer
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If it's of any interest there is on familysearch an Elizabeth Bush Harriss b 1807 and a Lucy Harriss b 1813, one of a number of children b to William and Elizabeth Harriss of stoneleigh
And with that additional name - voila!
Name: Elizabeth Bush Harris
Spouse Name: John Samuel Pickard
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Aug 1836
Parish: Fulham All Saints
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Per GRO births in Kensington RD:
John Pickard 1838 MMN Bush
Lucy Pickard 1839 MMN Harris
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There;s a family of Elizabeth (30) with Sarah 4, John 3 ad Samuel 1 in Fulham on 1841
That Elizabeth's occupation (coach proprietor) tallies with young Elizabeth Pickard's father's occupation "omnibus proprietor".
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Lovely. I just answered another writer that she was probably born about 1807. You verify it. Eliz. received the omnibus via here husband John. I suspect he obtained it in his 1836 marriage from his deceased father cited as a "coachman."