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Title: McElney/McElnea
Post by: lindylou123 on Thursday 01 December 11 19:39 GMT (UK)
Hi I have researched my McElney ancestors back to the 1700s, but there are several branches I have yet to discover. The Family originated from Co. Monaghan in Ireland.
My Great Grandparents are William McElney and Agnes Curry. 1820c They were farmers in co. monaghan and moved to Randlestown Co Antrim. They had a house called Magherabeg, and another family home was Sharvogues. Can anyone help me??
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 01 December 11 19:50 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat. Magherabeg is a townland in County Antrim and in the 1911 Census it comes under Sharvogues D.E.D.
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: kingskerswell on Thursday 01 December 11 21:31 GMT (UK)
Hi,
    There is a Will of William McElney of Magherabeg who died in 1885 in the PRONI Wills site. See - http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx

Regards
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: lindylou123 on Friday 02 December 11 17:28 GMT (UK)
Thanks kings I've just looked at it and wow my Gt Grandfather Thomas McElney 1864-1931 and his younger brother the Revd Robert McElney 1865-1945 were named. Thanks again :) :) :)
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: lindylou123 on Friday 02 December 11 17:30 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat. Magherabeg is a townland in County Antrim and in the 1911 Census it comes under Sharvogues D.E.D.

Thanks I visited this area recently on a visit to belfast and actually found the house, sadly it had been demolished just months before I got there.
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: lindylou123 on Friday 02 December 11 17:32 GMT (UK)
Hi,
† † There is a Will of William McElney of Magherabeg who died in 1885 in the PRONI Wills site. See - http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx

Regards
Hi Thanks I have looked this up and my Gt Grandfather Thomas McElney 1864-1931 and his younger brother Revd Robert McElney (1865-1945) are named. I hadnt seen this document before so thank you very much :) :)
Title: McElney/McElnea
Post by: lindylou123 on Saturday 25 February 12 17:53 GMT (UK)
Hi I am looking for ancestors of Thomas McElney c1810 and Margaret Jackson. They had 4 sons, Thomas, Robert, George & William. I am a descendant of William (and Agnes Curry). They came from Co. Monaghan.
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: jimmc on Monday 30 July 12 16:29 BST (UK)
Hi I am looking for ancestors of Thomas McElney c1810 and Margaret Jackson. They had 4 sons, Thomas, Robert, George & William. I am a descendant of William (and Agnes Curry). They came from Co. Monaghan.
I too am a descendant of Thomas, through Thomas, brother of William, who moved to Portballintrae in Co. Antrim
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: lindylou123 on Thursday 02 August 12 22:06 BST (UK)
Hi I am looking for ancestors of Thomas McElney c1810 and Margaret Jackson. They had 4 sons, Thomas, Robert, George & William. I am a descendant of William (and Agnes Curry). They came from Co. Monaghan.
I too am a descendant of Thomas, through Thomas, brother of William, who moved to Portballintrae in Co. Antrim
Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: jimmc on Sunday 05 August 12 16:09 BST (UK)
Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.
Hi Lindy,
I don't know Thomas' first wife's name but they had a son William McElnay (b1852 d1936) at Portballintrae. Thomas later married Anne Smart in Monaghan 1861. William is my GGfather. I believe that Thomas parents were also Thomas and maybe Margaret Jackson
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: lindylou123 on Sunday 05 August 12 23:31 BST (UK)
Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.
Hi Lindy,
I don't know Thomas' first wife's name but they had a son William McElnay (b1852 d1936) at Portballintrae. Thomas later married Anne Smart in Monaghan 1861. William is my GGfather. I believe that Thomas parents were also Thomas and maybe Margaret Jackson
Hi Jim
I think we must be distant cousins. I am going to Belfast at the end of this month with my husband to do some further research. I am hoping to find a link to some of the McElney  families that I have discovered. I do have a family tree, but I need to find the descendants from my gggfather. His three brothers Thomas, Robert and George.
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: EllenMcKenna on Monday 16 March 20 11:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Jim and Lindy
Thomas McElnay/McElney, married Anne Smart in 1861, 25th November, at the Church of Ireland Parish Church, Donagh, Co Monaghan.  His father was named as James and was a farmer.  Thomas was also listed as a farmer at Duntonagh.  Anne was from Emyvale and her father was also called James and was a farmer.

Thomas and Anne moved around the north as he was a land Stewart. Some children were born in Omagh others in Belfast etc.

Thomas and Anne lived off and around Sandy row, Belfast and died in Belfast. They are buried in the City cemetery. There are two spellings of their surname, McElnay and Mcelney, both are on the head stones. Thomas died 9th March 1885,aged 57 and Anne died 30th December 1904, aged 54.

Hope you find this helpful.

There is also a head stone in the old graveyard at Portstewart in Agherton cemetery, Agherton Road, Portstewart that is of interested. It has Mathers McElnay on it. The head stone is old, looks like it could be 19th century.  Could this be the grave of Thomas McElnay/McElney first wife? Portstewart has a lot of Mathers, so she may have been from here.

Regards
Ellen



Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.
Hi Lindy,
I don't know Thomas' first wife's name but they had a son William McElnay (b1852 d1936) at Portballintrae. Thomas later married Anne Smart in Monaghan 1861. William is my GGfather. I believe that Thomas parents were also Thomas and maybe Margaret Jackson
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 16 March 20 12:57 GMT (UK)
Good information, Ellen  :)

Note that Thomas McElnay's residence at the time of his marriage was the townland of Dundonagh, SSE of Emyvale.
https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/trough/donagh/enagh/dundonagh/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1861/09615/5487120.pdf

When Ann(e) died in 1904 at Sextons House, City Cemetery, the informant was her son-in-law Daniel McCann.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05613/4578734.pdf

He married Emily McElnay in 1900 and gave his occupation as Assistant Superintendent in the City Cemetery. Note the occupation of his father George.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10351/5768127.pdf

KG

Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: hallmark on Monday 16 March 20 13:24 GMT (UK)


All Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death
results for Smart of Monaghan Reg District

LINK   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p6o/

 

Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: jimmc on Monday 16 March 20 14:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Ellen many thanks for the info. I will have to lookup the gravestone in Portstewart. Jim.
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 16 March 20 15:35 GMT (UK)
Quote
Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.

Marriage of Thomas McElney and Sarah Anderson on 10th September 1889 at Dunmurry Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10740/5916125.pdf

KG

Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 16 March 20 19:50 GMT (UK)
Thomas & Sarah McElney and family.
1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Dromore_Urban/Mount_Street/1206362/
1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Dromore_Urban/Mount_Street/207934/

Clara Hamilton 1900
Born at Ballaney?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01988/1765173.pdf

William James 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01871/1728586.pdf

Thomas Godfrey 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01776/1698205.pdf

KG

Edited to add: It's probably Balleny townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/dromore/balleny/



Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: EllenMcKenna on Monday 16 March 20 20:08 GMT (UK)
Thank you for all the replies to my message.

This is the information I have on Thomas and Ann McElnay.
Thomas and Ann McElnay had the following children:
Ellen McElnay 18th January 1864 at Craig, Bushmills. Land Stewart
Mary Jane McElnay 12th January 1868 at Drumnalkelly, Omagh district 2. Land Stewart
Elizabeth McElnay 18th June 1866 at Lisonkelly, Omagh. Labourer
Emily McElnay around 1877. Land agent from her marriage cert, have not found her birth certificate.
Annie McElnay about 1867. Labourer again from her marriage certificate
Jeannie McElnay about 1876
John McElnay February 1873, Glenburn Alley, Belfast. Gardener from Death certificate
There may have been others that I have not found yet.

For more information about their burials go to www.dof.belfastcity.gov.uk for burial plots and information about their last address etc.

Ellen

Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Monday 16 March 20 20:52 GMT (UK)
For more information about their burials go to www.dof.belfastcity.gov.uk for burial plots and information about their last address etc.

See https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/

KG

Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 21 April 20 17:47 BST (UK)

Mary Jane McElnay 12th January 1868 at Drumnalkelly, Omagh district 2. Land Stewart
Elizabeth McElnay 18th June 1866 at Lisonkelly, Omagh. Labourer
 
There may have been others that I have not found yet.


Drumnakilly townland east of Omagh.
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/strabane-upper/termonmaguirk-upper-strabane-portion/drumnakilly/

Lisanelly townland on the northern outskirts of Omagh.
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/strabane-upper/cappagh-upper-strabane-portion/lisanelly/

Thomas born 1870 (surname written as McElne)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03338/2223555.pdf

KG
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: EllenMcKenna on Wednesday 22 April 20 11:07 BST (UK)
 Any thanks for this information. This Thomas McElne was the son of Thomas McElnay and Ann Smart his second wife. I did not have this member of the family.


Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: EllenMcKenna on Wednesday 24 June 20 14:13 BST (UK)

Lindylou123,
The following book will be of interest to you. It is the life story of a relative by the name of Brian Mcelnay. Page 76 tells the story of the cottage Magherbeg and the 150 acre estate of Sharvogues.
Book is Collecting China. The memoirs of a Hong Kong Art Addict. Printed in 2017 by Earnshaw Books. ISBN:978 988 8422 48 7
Regards
Ellen
Title: Re: McElney/McElnea
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Thursday 02 July 20 14:30 BST (UK)
i became interested in the earlier Monaghan end. Substitute the name and then variants  you want to check in this excellent index database covering the 26 counties  with further brief  information in http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=chooseyourself&firstname=&county=Monaghan&parish=&townland=&search=Search
the tithe help in narrowing the location of last name, sometimes leading to a focus point for rare names or pinpoint  for nearest surviving church records or more local history
I had some interesting results with a start on variant spellings
Corry where there are 23 entries for Co Monaghan inc one in Aghnamullen
Currie none
Curry   Jno   Ullina      Aghnamullen   Monaghan   1829
Curry   Isaiah   Corlaggin   Clontibret   Monaghan   1830
Curry   Thos   Glassdrumon   Clontibret   Monaghan   1830
Curry   Hugh   Drumleek   Muckno   Monaghan   1827
Curry   Js   Killigola   Muckno   Monaghan   1827
Enany none
Ennany none
McAnally  none however 53 turn up in Griffiths valuation Co Monaghan
McElney none
McElna none 
McEnany  38 in Co Monaghan
McEnnany  none but turns up in Griffiths valuation Co Monaghan
McNally  100 in Co Monaghan
Mc XXXXXX  not tried,  itís the inserted space often used egn Hayes database  see https://www.failteromhat.com
Míname  not tried

running out of time I quickly gleand a useful unchecked list using the above names I looked at an earlier record the1796 flax growers of ireland
https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/monaghan.php
M'Elnea            James               Clones               Monaghan
M'Enally           Patrick             Magheracloone        Monaghan
M'Endoo            Margaret            Ematris              Monaghan
M'Eneany           Bryan               Inishkeen            Monaghan
M'Eneany           Mary                Killanny             Monaghan
M'Eneany           Michael             Inishkeen            Monaghan
M'Eneany           Nicholas            Inishkeen            Monaghan
M'Eneany           Thomas              Clones               Monaghan

I finally looked at https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=McElney+ and once again realized I had missed looking up a giant among the experts when you see his list of spelling variation
so I have run out of time  and feel I cant offer more
good luck onwards