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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: lindylou123 on Thursday 01 December 11 19:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi I have researched my McElney ancestors back to the 1700s, but there are several branches I have yet to discover. The Family originated from Co. Monaghan in Ireland.
My Great Grandparents are William McElney and Agnes Curry. 1820c They were farmers in co. monaghan and moved to Randlestown Co Antrim. They had a house called Magherabeg, and another family home was Sharvogues. Can anyone help me??
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Welcome to Rootschat. Magherabeg is a townland in County Antrim and in the 1911 Census it comes under Sharvogues D.E.D.
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Hi,
There is a Will of William McElney of Magherabeg who died in 1885 in the PRONI Wills site. See - http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx
Regards
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Thanks kings I've just looked at it and wow my Gt Grandfather Thomas McElney 1864-1931 and his younger brother the Revd Robert McElney 1865-1945 were named. Thanks again :) :) :)
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Welcome to Rootschat. Magherabeg is a townland in County Antrim and in the 1911 Census it comes under Sharvogues D.E.D.
Thanks I visited this area recently on a visit to belfast and actually found the house, sadly it had been demolished just months before I got there.
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Hi,
There is a Will of William McElney of Magherabeg who died in 1885 in the PRONI Wills site. See - http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx
Regards
Hi Thanks I have looked this up and my Gt Grandfather Thomas McElney 1864-1931 and his younger brother Revd Robert McElney (1865-1945) are named. I hadnt seen this document before so thank you very much :) :)
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Hi I am looking for ancestors of Thomas McElney c1810 and Margaret Jackson. They had 4 sons, Thomas, Robert, George & William. I am a descendant of William (and Agnes Curry). They came from Co. Monaghan.
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Hi I am looking for ancestors of Thomas McElney c1810 and Margaret Jackson. They had 4 sons, Thomas, Robert, George & William. I am a descendant of William (and Agnes Curry). They came from Co. Monaghan.
I too am a descendant of Thomas, through Thomas, brother of William, who moved to Portballintrae in Co. Antrim
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Hi I am looking for ancestors of Thomas McElney c1810 and Margaret Jackson. They had 4 sons, Thomas, Robert, George & William. I am a descendant of William (and Agnes Curry). They came from Co. Monaghan.
I too am a descendant of Thomas, through Thomas, brother of William, who moved to Portballintrae in Co. Antrim
Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.
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Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.
Hi Lindy,
I don't know Thomas' first wife's name but they had a son William McElnay (b1852 d1936) at Portballintrae. Thomas later married Anne Smart in Monaghan 1861. William is my GGfather. I believe that Thomas parents were also Thomas and maybe Margaret Jackson
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Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.
Hi Lindy,
I don't know Thomas' first wife's name but they had a son William McElnay (b1852 d1936) at Portballintrae. Thomas later married Anne Smart in Monaghan 1861. William is my GGfather. I believe that Thomas parents were also Thomas and maybe Margaret Jackson
Hi Jim
I think we must be distant cousins. I am going to Belfast at the end of this month with my husband to do some further research. I am hoping to find a link to some of the McElney families that I have discovered. I do have a family tree, but I need to find the descendants from my gggfather. His three brothers Thomas, Robert and George.
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Hi Jim and Lindy
Thomas McElnay/McElney, married Anne Smart in 1861, 25th November, at the Church of Ireland Parish Church, Donagh, Co Monaghan. His father was named as James and was a farmer. Thomas was also listed as a farmer at Duntonagh. Anne was from Emyvale and her father was also called James and was a farmer.
Thomas and Anne moved around the north as he was a land Stewart. Some children were born in Omagh others in Belfast etc.
Thomas and Anne lived off and around Sandy row, Belfast and died in Belfast. They are buried in the City cemetery. There are two spellings of their surname, McElnay and Mcelney, both are on the head stones. Thomas died 9th March 1885,aged 57 and Anne died 30th December 1904, aged 54.
Hope you find this helpful.
There is also a head stone in the old graveyard at Portstewart in Agherton cemetery, Agherton Road, Portstewart that is of interested. It has Mathers McElnay on it. The head stone is old, looks like it could be 19th century. Could this be the grave of Thomas McElnay/McElney first wife? Portstewart has a lot of Mathers, so she may have been from here.
Regards
Ellen
Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.
Hi Lindy,
I don't know Thomas' first wife's name but they had a son William McElnay (b1852 d1936) at Portballintrae. Thomas later married Anne Smart in Monaghan 1861. William is my GGfather. I believe that Thomas parents were also Thomas and maybe Margaret Jackson
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Good information, Ellen :)
Note that Thomas McElnay's residence at the time of his marriage was the townland of Dundonagh, SSE of Emyvale.
https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/trough/donagh/enagh/dundonagh/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1861/09615/5487120.pdf
When Ann(e) died in 1904 at Sextons House, City Cemetery, the informant was her son-in-law Daniel McCann.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05613/4578734.pdf
He married Emily McElnay in 1900 and gave his occupation as Assistant Superintendent in the City Cemetery. Note the occupation of his father George.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10351/5768127.pdf
KG
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All Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Smart of Monaghan Reg District
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p6o/
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Hi Ellen many thanks for the info. I will have to lookup the gravestone in Portstewart. Jim.
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Hi Jim are you related to Thomas McElney & Sarah Anderson.
Marriage of Thomas McElney and Sarah Anderson on 10th September 1889 at Dunmurry Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10740/5916125.pdf
KG
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Thomas & Sarah McElney and family.
1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Dromore_Urban/Mount_Street/1206362/
1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Dromore_Urban/Mount_Street/207934/
Clara Hamilton 1900
Born at Ballaney?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01988/1765173.pdf
William James 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01871/1728586.pdf
Thomas Godfrey 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01776/1698205.pdf
KG
Edited to add: It's probably Balleny townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/dromore/balleny/
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Thank you for all the replies to my message.
This is the information I have on Thomas and Ann McElnay.
Thomas and Ann McElnay had the following children:
Ellen McElnay 18th January 1864 at Craig, Bushmills. Land Stewart
Mary Jane McElnay 12th January 1868 at Drumnalkelly, Omagh district 2. Land Stewart
Elizabeth McElnay 18th June 1866 at Lisonkelly, Omagh. Labourer
Emily McElnay around 1877. Land agent from her marriage cert, have not found her birth certificate.
Annie McElnay about 1867. Labourer again from her marriage certificate
Jeannie McElnay about 1876
John McElnay February 1873, Glenburn Alley, Belfast. Gardener from Death certificate
There may have been others that I have not found yet.
For more information about their burials go to www.dof.belfastcity.gov.uk for burial plots and information about their last address etc.
Ellen
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For more information about their burials go to www.dof.belfastcity.gov.uk for burial plots and information about their last address etc.
See https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/
KG
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Mary Jane McElnay 12th January 1868 at Drumnalkelly, Omagh district 2. Land Stewart
Elizabeth McElnay 18th June 1866 at Lisonkelly, Omagh. Labourer
There may have been others that I have not found yet.
Drumnakilly townland east of Omagh.
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/strabane-upper/termonmaguirk-upper-strabane-portion/drumnakilly/
Lisanelly townland on the northern outskirts of Omagh.
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/strabane-upper/cappagh-upper-strabane-portion/lisanelly/
Thomas born 1870 (surname written as McElne)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03338/2223555.pdf
KG
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Any thanks for this information. This Thomas McElne was the son of Thomas McElnay and Ann Smart his second wife. I did not have this member of the family.
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Lindylou123,
The following book will be of interest to you. It is the life story of a relative by the name of Brian Mcelnay. Page 76 tells the story of the cottage Magherbeg and the 150 acre estate of Sharvogues.
Book is Collecting China. The memoirs of a Hong Kong Art Addict. Printed in 2017 by Earnshaw Books. ISBN:978 988 8422 48 7
Regards
Ellen
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i became interested in the earlier Monaghan end. Substitute the name and then variants you want to check in this excellent index database covering the 26 counties with further brief information in http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=chooseyourself&firstname=&county=Monaghan&parish=&townland=&search=Search
the tithe help in narrowing the location of last name, sometimes leading to a focus point for rare names or pinpoint for nearest surviving church records or more local history
I had some interesting results with a start on variant spellings
Corry where there are 23 entries for Co Monaghan inc one in Aghnamullen
Currie none
Curry Jno Ullina Aghnamullen Monaghan 1829
Curry Isaiah Corlaggin Clontibret Monaghan 1830
Curry Thos Glassdrumon Clontibret Monaghan 1830
Curry Hugh Drumleek Muckno Monaghan 1827
Curry Js Killigola Muckno Monaghan 1827
Enany none
Ennany none
McAnally none however 53 turn up in Griffiths valuation Co Monaghan
McElney none
McElna none
McEnany 38 in Co Monaghan
McEnnany none but turns up in Griffiths valuation Co Monaghan
McNally 100 in Co Monaghan
Mc XXXXXX not tried, it’s the inserted space often used egn Hayes database see https://www.failteromhat.com
M’name not tried
running out of time I quickly gleand a useful unchecked list using the above names I looked at an earlier record the1796 flax growers of ireland
https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/monaghan.php
M'Elnea James Clones Monaghan
M'Enally Patrick Magheracloone Monaghan
M'Endoo Margaret Ematris Monaghan
M'Eneany Bryan Inishkeen Monaghan
M'Eneany Mary Killanny Monaghan
M'Eneany Michael Inishkeen Monaghan
M'Eneany Nicholas Inishkeen Monaghan
M'Eneany Thomas Clones Monaghan
I finally looked at https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=McElney+ and once again realized I had missed looking up a giant among the experts when you see his list of spelling variation
so I have run out of time and feel I cant offer more
good luck onwards