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Title: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Stormybay on Saturday 25 February 12 22:32 GMT (UK)
My gt gt grandfather, Robert Cade was a watchmaker in Ipswich but became a photographer in the early 1850's and set up a glass house for photography where he set up business taking portraits.  He left the business to his son, Alfred and daughter Clara who married John White. 
Robert took many photos to exhibitions in the 1850s and 1860's - photos of farm equipment, of Sparrow House - created with the collodion process.
I am wondering if anyone on this chat may have further information about him, CDV's taken by any of the three or information about his father, also called Robert, who founded a school in St Clements.
If not, I would appreciate any idea where I might go in Ipswich to find further information when I visit there in June.
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Keziah2 on Thursday 01 March 12 11:37 GMT (UK)
Hello Stormybay

As you do not seem to have had any response to your post I will give you what I have found in the hope it might start the ball rolling, although I suspect you probably have most of this already, but perhaps someone will find more for you from this info:)

1851  Robert CADE 30 born Vauxhall, wife Maria 29 born Lambeth, Robert 8, Alfred 7, William 6 & Clara 3 all born Vauxhall.  Living in Fore Street, Ipswich.

Robert CADE married Maria UNDERWOOD 4 Jan 1842 St Botolph without Aldgate (City of London PRs entry no 252).  GF: Robert CADE - printer BF: Jeremiah UNDERWOOD.  Wit: Joseph West & Esther West.  All signed.

Robert CADE bpt 10 NOv 1822 Finsbury St Luke parents Robert CADE (printer) & Fanny  (Source - PRs)

Robert CADE married Fanny WALKER 8 Dec 1816 Finsbury St Luke. Wit:  Cornelius Walker & Sophia Read. (Source PRs)

Robert CADE Schoolmaster & Parish Clerk died 19 Sep 1864 (National Probate Calenders)

Robert CADE Buried 24 Sep 1864 age 70 Ipswich St Clement (Suffolk Burial Index)

Robert CADE of Ringham Road (photographer) d. 22 Oct 1879 Buried 27 Oct 1879 age 59 buried Ipswich Cemetery.  It also notes Beaumont St Portland Place, London. (Suffolk Burial Index).

The best place to start your search would probably be the Suffolk Record Office in Gateacre Road, Ipswich http://www.suffolk.gov.uk/sro.  You could also try searching the Newspaper Archives http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/  Ipswich Journal might be a good starting point for anything relating to the family in Suffolk.

Enjoy your visit
keziah
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: tina morana on Thursday 01 March 12 11:52 GMT (UK)
Alfred and his daughter Clara are the ones in the will?
Have I got this right, thank you.
1881 Alfred H is 47 and Clara E 7 years.
Ipswich.
Tinam
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 01 March 12 11:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Stormybay...This should be of interest to you:

http://family-history.wikispaces.com/

Carol
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Suffolk Mawther on Thursday 01 March 12 11:58 GMT (UK)
Have you been in touch with Ipswich Record Office with regard to the Suffolk Photographic Survey?  I wonder if they hold any information?

Pat ...

Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Nick_Ips on Thursday 01 March 12 12:04 GMT (UK)
Hello Stormybay,

It might be worth contacting David Kindred - www.kindred-spirit.co.uk - who has an interest in old photographs and photographers in the Ipswich area.  If anyone can point you in the right direction I'd guess it would be him.

It would also be worth contacting the Ipswich museum service to see what records they might hold - if the CADE's were portrait photographers then there's a chance they took photographs of important people or events in the town which may have survived in the archives.

Hope you enjoy your visit!

Nick
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Suffolk Mawther on Thursday 01 March 12 12:11 GMT (UK)
You may already have this .....

From A2A

15r in Hampton Road, Ipswich

Conveyance from Robert Cade of Ipswich, photographer, to Alfred Fulcher senior of the same, boot and shoe maker, with plan. [Suffolk, Ipswich Branch, RECORDS OF ROUSE FAMILY...]
These documents are held at: Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch
 
Agree with Nick  ;) give David a call, if anyone knows about Suffolk and photography - he's your bor!

Pat ...

Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Keziah2 on Thursday 01 March 12 13:18 GMT (UK)
My goodness - a bit like buses.  You don't see one for days & then they all come at once ;D

There are lots of photos of the Cade family on Ancestry - probably yours!

K
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Stormybay on Thursday 01 March 12 13:44 GMT (UK)
Wow!   You people are amazing. 
You have covered the "waterfront" in these few emails.  Yes, I do have the ancestry.co.uk information and the census stuff and have ordered up just about all of the birth, death, marriage certificates I can find.  You have captured most of that in your work here.  Robert Senior died in 1864 of asthma!  He had founded St Clements School in Ipswich and died in Church Lane.  His son, Robert the photographer died, unfortunately of sarcoma of the thyroid in 1879!  But he seems to have died in London in a hospital which is where the Chinese embassy might now be located  -  I did not have the burial information so that has helped me.  The photographs came from a cousin in the line of his daughter Clara White who was also a photographer and knew the value of the photos.  And I have since found a range of CDV's but they are not identified unfortunately.  I hope that I will soon have enough to create a web page for him as his place was significant in the development of this art.  He did not discover the collodion process but did take a portrait of Frederick Archer who has been credited with that discovery and so I am sure they were colleagues. 

I am going to Ipswich in June and will follow up with your suggestions and I will contact David as you suggested.  Should anyone else  have an idea about ancient photos, I would be most appreciative.

Many thank yous!!!

I have attached a copy of a self-portrait of Robert - looks similar to one I have seen of Dickens at his desk - guess that was the flavour of the times.  Very dramatic! 

Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Nick_Ips on Thursday 01 March 12 14:09 GMT (UK)

On the website front, you might be interested in this site -

www.burypastandpresent.org.uk/history-and-research/history.shtml

It gives information about the Spanton-Jarman collection.  William SPANTON was another early photographer based in Bury St Edmunds.  I think I'm related to him, but the link between my SPANTONs and William has so far eluded me  ???  The site has a photo of William's son (also called William) in a very similar writing desk pose.
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Keziah2 on Thursday 01 March 12 14:22 GMT (UK)
If you type 'cade' into the search engine on this site http://www.suffolkheritagedirect.org.uk/ it will give you some idea of what is held at the Suffolk Record Office.  Lots of references to a 'Robert Cade'.



K

Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 01 March 12 14:59 GMT (UK)
Great photo of Robert Cade Stormyboy  8)

Here's an example of his work.
Carol
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: gobbitt on Wednesday 04 July 12 15:58 BST (UK)
Hello Stormybay

I hope you found what you were looking for in Ipswich last month. I recently came across this announcement in the Ipswich Journal of 12 April 1879 (page 8, column 5):

PHOTOGRAPHY.
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ROBERT CADE,
CORNHILL, IPSWICH,
WHO has received from his Patrons, for the long period of 27 years, such kind and continued support, begs very respectfully to thank them for all past favours.
Finding his health declining, R. C. has entrusted to his sons the responsibility of maintaining the reputation of his Establishment for high-class work.
A. H. CADE has been with R. Cade many years, and shared the cares of the Studio and Printing Departments.
J. WHITE (his son-in-law) has had many years’ experience in Photography, having been for some years manager of a large Establishment in India, and for four years chief operator at the celebrated Establishment of Disdéri and Co., Photographers to the Queen, Brook Street, Hanover Square, and R. C. can with confidence entrust the credit of the Firm to him. Mr. White will be found to be particularly successful with children, who require such care and patience.
R. C. will at all times be most happy to give the benefit of his long experience to any patron in any department of the Establishment.
----
ALFRED HENRY CADE AND JOHN WHITE
BEG to inform the Patrons of Robert Cade and the Public that it will ever be their study to maintain the high class work which has made the Photo. Institute so well known in the Eastern Counties, and they trust that by careful and prompt attention to all commissions, they will receive a continuance of the favours so liberally given to R. C.
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The 27 years of Robert's business tally with the date of establishment printed on the back of some of his mounts: 1852. The Cornhill address was presumably 4 Westgate Street (now part of Debenhams), where John White and his family were living in 1881. He was at 18 (Upper) Brook Street (on the southern corner of Butter Market) by 1883 (assuming that he was wrongly named "Mr. G. White" in the Ipswich Journal on 11 Dec.) and placed the attached half-page advertisement in William White's 1885 directory of Suffolk.

The "slightly old-fashioned" design of John White's mounts is illustrated and discussed in "Looking at Old Photographs" (Federation of Family History Societies, 1998, pages 41 & 42) by Robert Pols (creator of the invaluable directories of early studio photographers at http://www.early-photographers.org.uk) who also notes that John may have continued the numerical series formerly used at 18 Brook Street by Walter Azemberg Smith. This series probably commenced when Walter was managing the Artistic Department of the "Italian Studio" at that address for John Robert Sawyer of Norwich, well before taking over the Ipswich business in 1867 (Ipswich Journal 30 March etc.).

Sadly, without a corresponding register of sitters, those numbers don't identify unnamed faces. But, if enough of us can provide dated examples, perhaps at least a rough calendar will emerge. I have a couple of cartes de visite from 18 Brook Street, Ipswich, endorsed with these dates and serial numbers:

19793A by Walter A. Smith: "William Gobbitt about time of his marriage 1866."
William was born in May 1837 and married in Sept. 1866. The studio was still owned by J. R. Sawyer at the beginning of 1867 (Ipswich Journal 23 Feb.) so this print can't be earlier than that, although it may be a reprint, ordered months or even years after the sitting.

57832 by John White: "C. Gobbitt. April 1889."
Or is that 1887? William's daughter Celia Mary was born in Aug. 1868; it's not clear from her portrait whether she was 18 or 20.

As the rarity of such specific dates makes them all the more useful, I would encourage everyone to share any that come to light.

David Gobbitt
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Stormybay on Wednesday 26 September 12 03:49 BST (UK)
Hello David Gobbitt and others who have provided such rich information.

I am SO SORRY that I did not reply to your earlier message - I was in England at the time and did not check my email.  So, now - at the end of September, I am cleaning up old messages and only this evening have I discovered that there was an extensive reply from you. 

While in England, I did, indeed, spend a day at the Suffolk Record Office and found the notice that was posted in the Ipswich Journal - just as you transcribed into this record.  Robert died in October of 1879 only months after this posting.  I have also found the notice published in the Ipswich Journal in 1854 when he launched his photography business in Orwell Place.  He had previously been a jeweller, watchmaker and engraver around the corner on Fore Street. 

I have been unsuccessful in finding any evidence of the many photographs he took of farm machinery and public buildings, but I have several CDV's that I purchased from another site on the Internet and hope to be able to put this information together to create a web page about Robert Cade and possibly his son, Alfred Henry Cade and his son-in-law, John White.  I am not sure how to go about trying to identify the subjects in these CDV's and it may not ever be possible to do that, of course. 

Meanwhile, thank you so much for your input.  Perhaps if anybody else reading this happens to have CDV's taken by one of these three photographers, you could get in touch with me with a personal message? 

S
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: keold on Tuesday 05 March 13 02:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Stormybay,

Someone I know on Flickr saw one of my Cade CDVs and sent me a link to this forum.  I've attached the four examples of Robert Cade's photos that I own, so you can have a look.  Since I just created an account here, I am not allowed to send anyone personal messages yet, but perhaps you can send one to me.  Feel free to contact me if you want - I would be happy to send you digital copies of these photos if you'd like them.

regards,
Karen
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: keold on Friday 15 March 13 23:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Stormybay,

Just fyi I sent a reply to your personal message last Friday (March 8th), from my personal email to the address you gave me in your message.  Since I haven't heard back, I think it's possible my message ended up in your spam/junk folder.  Please look for an email from me there.  I'm sorry, the site won't let me reply directly to your message, so I have to post this here - apologies to everyone, really, for what is essentially an off-topic post.

No worries if you got my email and just haven't had time to reply; I just wanted to cover my bases and make sure you didn't miss my email!

thanks,

Karen
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Treetotal on Saturday 16 March 13 11:08 GMT (UK)
Wow...what gorgeous photos :o
Carol
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Stormybay on Saturday 16 March 13 16:09 GMT (UK)
http://www.cartedevisite.co.uk/photographers-category/biographies/robert-cade/

Hello to those who are interested in early photographs! 

I have posted above the site where the information gathered about Robert Cade can be found.  I had posted it earlier in the Photography file on Roots Chat but think that some of you who have very kindly offered information about Robert might not have seen that.  So here it is again. 

I feel very happy that I now know so much about my 3x great grandfather and that his work can be honoured in this way.  Now, I am still hoping I can find out more about the portraits he created:  of the Mayor (which is described as being 5 ft by 3.6 ft), of Edward Fitzgerald who translated the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayam (this is in the National Portrait Library now), and of other notables from Suffolk. 

David Gobbitt has encouraged me to try to find out more about the "sitters" and so I am developing a file of Sitters, including those who sat for Alfred Henry Cade, Robert's son, and for John White, who was married to Clara Maria Cade, Robert's daughter.  There were, of course, more and more photographers as the science progressed in the 1860's and I don't think I can undertake any more than the three I have who are related to me.  At this point, I do not have information to share with you, but I will slowly continue to research these three photographers.  If you are also interested in this, perhaps you would like to connect with me or with David.
S

Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: bobfilm on Tuesday 06 August 19 13:33 BST (UK)
Hi, I am researching East London and Essex Photographers and have John Henry Lile, a photographer in Hoxton, London. He married Mary Ann Underwood. Her father Charles Underwood was the sister of Maria Clara Underwood who married Robert Cade.
If you would like this information, please let me know.
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Canadiancade on Wednesday 13 October 21 03:39 BST (UK)
I have spent 20 years researching the Cade family history going back to the 1600's. I have a ton of information on the Cades.  i can share a wealth of information, send me your contact details. , i am in Canada
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: deebel on Friday 05 November 21 22:01 GMT (UK)
Sorry am late to this thread.

There is a piece of work on early photographers which mentions Robert Cade

https://www.cartedevisite.co.uk/photographers-category/biographies/c-to-f/robert-cade/

deebel


oops already mentioned by Stormybay

 :o
Title: Re: Victorian photographers: Robert Cade, Alfred Henry Cade, John White
Post by: Eva Bee on Saturday 20 August 22 07:13 BST (UK)
Hello Stormy

I just came across this googling the photographer Robert cade as I have info- please do contact me and I’ll tell you more!