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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: denrosh on Monday 05 March 12 17:58 GMT (UK)
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I am hoping that there would be some earlier Rosiers/Roziers in Needham Market - I have William born 1788 and Henry born 1800 but no parents.
Can anyone give me help please. Thanks.
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Suffolk Burial Index records:
(son) ROSIOR buried 20 Jan 1822 son of William (gardener) & Sarah - Needham Market Independent/Congregational.
That is the earliest burial I could find in Needham Mkt on the Index but it does tend to indicate that they at least were not CofE.
If you get back further there are Rosier burials dating back to between 1622-1725 in nearby Barking, St Mary & in Combs early 1700s.
The Index does not cover all of the parishes in Suffolk so this can only be a guide.
Keziah
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In 1662 Rev. John Fairfax was ejected from the Parish Church at Barking for refusing to conform to the Act of Uniformity. Following release from imprisonment in 1672 he ministered to dissenters and held services in the house or property of Margaret Rozer of Needham Market.
The dissenters then went on to establish an Independent Church, later the 'United Reform' in Needham.
Hephzibah
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Thanks to Keziah2 and Hephzibah for the information. Will have to visit gateacre Road another day to look a little further. Best wishes
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i also have Henry Rosier born 1800 in Needham, I have him married to Louisa Lucy Parker, a son called John born 1827 who then had a daughter harriet Eliza born 1857, Is this the same people?
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Hi all
Henry Rozier, born 1800 was my 3 x great grandfather, married to Lucy Parker. I have no record of his baptism or parents and would love to be able to go back further. I have lots of info relating to his descendants. If anyone can enlighten me i'd be very happy :D and willing to share my info.
Kind regards
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Hello All,
I have kept an eye out for Henry's baptism over many years of research of Parish Registers (C of E and Independents) but to no avail. I am inclined to think that he might well be son of John Rosier and Sarah Borley who married 4/3/1784 in Creeting St Mary. John was buried Needham Market Independent 3/4/1840 and Sarah widow of John, labourer 12/7/1852 aged 89 there also. Henry and Lucy named their first son John and first (baptised 14/4/1832 buried 20/4) and second daughters Sarah. In those days Creeting St Mary parish extended into what present day is part of Needham Market. There also was a marriage of a Henry Rosher of Creeting St Mary to Ann Bugg of Creeting All Saints in Creeting All Saints 28/2/1797 but no Henry baptism. The Independent (Congregational) Church records begin later than 1800 which is a nuisance but Henry could well have been baptised there- as too Lucy Parker. Speculation I know but it is at least something to be noted. Thought I had found Lucy's baptism in Baylham d/o Edward and Lucy (Garrard) baptised 4/8/1804, the year of which fit nicely with her age at death. However there are children of a Lucy Parker there- William 14/3/1827 and Emma 2/11/1828. Given that Henry and Lucy married in Darmsden 12/6/1826 why no mention of Henry- unless this Lucy is another Lucy Parker? Thoughts?
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Hi. I have ROZIER'S in my family tree, they are my maternal ancestors. I have a WILLIAM ROZIER, b, 1825 my GG Grandfather, married MARIA BROWN, b c1814. They had 5 children. WILLIAM HENRY, ALFRED EDWARD, FREDERICK, HARRIET AGNES and CLARA LOUISA.
WILLIAM'S father was WILLIAM ROZIER b 1788, his father was HENRY ROZIER b 1759.
Hope this is of help.
Regards
Baloo
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Thanks Baloo for the Rozier details. I have some of it but it does confirm I'm on the right track.
William born 1788 was married to Sarah Cook chris 1784 in Barking - her parents may have been Robert Cook and Sarah.
Best wishes
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Hi.
not sure if we have the same ROZIER'S. My WILLIAM b1788 was married to ELIZABETH WARFER 27/7/1817 at Grundisburgh, Suffolk.
Hope this helps
Baloo
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Hi Baloo.
Going back on the Roziers of Grundisburgh there seems to be a connection here as I had note of Elizabeth Warfer and 3 children who were born in Needham Market - Sarah 1819, Harriet 1822 and William 1825. But similar family of William and Sarah Cook - same names plus others - are on the early census. Do you have any other details from Grundisburgh - more on Henry B 1759 you said. I have a SAmuel born in 1783/4 Grundisburgh. Anything might help. Thanks again.
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Hi.
William Rozier. b, Packenham, Suffolk, 17/4/1788.( my GGG Grandfather) Married Elizabeth Warfer. b1795, Married 21/7/1817 at Grundisburgh, Suffolk, died 1866.
As you know they had 3 children. Sarah b 1819 ( my GGG Aunt) married Charles Ribbans 1842. Harreit b 1822, d 1860.( GGG Aunt) Possible marriage 1843 Poplar London, no other info on her. William b1825,(GG Grandfather) Needham Market Suffolk. Died 1899. Married Maria Brown, 1844 Marylebone,London, Died 1895 Fulham London. They had 5 children.
If you need any more info please let me know. Hope this helps
Baloo
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Hi Baloo.
Once again thanks for the information. Needham Market figures a lot in the family so thanks for the details given. Best wishes,
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Hi all-
I'm very interested in all your comments on the Rozier family of Needham Market. I am descended from an Elizabeth Rozier/Rosier b.c 1817 in Needham Mkt (according to various census). She married Thomas Markwell in 1836. I wondered if she could be the first child of William and Elizabeth Warfer (1817-19 seems like a while after marriage not to have had any children- and a first born girl may have been named after her mother, right?) Has anyone discovered an Elizabeth fitting this d.o.b, and do independent records survive from that period?
James
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Hi James.
Thanks for your input. At present all I can do is confirm the marriage of Elizabeth to Thomas Markwell on the 22.12.1836 but at Stowmarket. I have no notes where this came from. Could I ask what census you have seen her on and give a few more details about the rest of the family. Some other names may help.
Best wishes
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Hi,
They were married in Stowmarket in 1836, yes, the following children resulting from this marriage:
Sarah Ann 1837-
Benjamin 1839-
Thomas Edward 1845-
?Charles? 1850-
Elizabeth 1853-
Edgar 1856-
Isaac 1859-
There are more, but I don't have all the information in front of me at present, but after some further research, I have answered my own question, it seems:
1841 Stowmarket, Regent St.
Elizabeth Markwell aged 20, Bargeman's (wife) born Suffolk
(no Thomas, but two children)
1851Stowmarket, Gipping St.
Betsey Markwell aged 33 b. Stowmarket
(With Thomas, Railway Lab. and children)
1861 Bury St. Edmunds, Eastgate St.
Elizabeth Markwell aged 43 b. Stowmarket
(with Thomas, Railway Labourer and children)
1871 Stowmarket, 5 Cardinal's Road
Betsey Markwell aged 53 b. Stowmarket
(Thomas now Chemical Works Lab + children)
1881 Stowmarket, 4 Regent's Street
Elizabeth Markwell aged 63 b. Stowmarket
(no Thomas, with Son Isaac)
1891 Stowmarket, Bond Street
Eliza Markwell aged 74, Charwoman, wid, b, Stowmarket
(with son ?Charles? and family)
The Needham Market link came from an unreliable source, I fear. But, without full detail of the marriage record, I wonder if her home parish was Needham Mkt in 1836...
So, to slightly change my line of enquiry (apologies for the false information), do any of you have any leads on an Elizabeth/Betsy Rosier/Rozier b. 1818 in STOWMARKET?
Thanks and have a good weekend
James
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Thanks James.
All details noted so will have alook at Stowmarket.
Best wishes
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Hi James.
Sorry had a good look but cannot add more to what you already have in the Stowmarket area. Most of my research comes from Needham Market. Best wishes.
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There is an Elizabeth Rosier b abt 1818 who married a Thomas Markwell in 1836 in Stowmarket
they lived all their lives in Stowmarket . they can be found in Census etc but I don't have any info on her parents.
sandie
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Hi Sandiep.
Thanks for your input. Best wishes
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Hi, I'm interested in Thomas Edward MARKWELL b.~1845 and came across this thread.
Can anyone confirm if Thomas Edward (listed in Reply #15 by James) is a child of Thomas and Elizabeth MARKWELL? FindMyPast has an 1848 baptism for a Thomas Edward but this suggests his birthyear is 1848 (but this date may be an estimate based on the year of baptism).
There is a Thomas aged 6 living with Thomas & Betsey(Elizabeth) at Gipping St, Stowmarket in 1851, but there is also a Thomas aged 4 living with Eliza MARKWELL in Regent St, Stowmarket. I think this second Thomas is the child of Charles and Eliza baptised 1846 (according to FindMyPast).
FreeBMD has a Thomas Edward MARKWELL b. SepQ1845 and a Thomas b. SepQ1846 both in Stow District. It doesn't seem unreasonable that Thomas & Elizabeth waited a few years after his birth in 1845 before baptising 'Thomas Edward' in 1848, but I wouldn't feel confident ruling out the possibility of 'Thomas Edward' being the child of Charles and Eliza instead, especially as the census records only refer to 'Thomas' in each case.
Also, I wonder if the 1891 census data James posted in reply #15 is for Eliza the spouse of Charles and not for Elizabeth/Betsey (nee ROZIER). Because Eliza and Elizabeth/Betsey's birth years are similar it has taken me a while to figure the families out, but the children living with the widowed Eliza at Bond St, Stowmarket in 1891 appear to be a better match with those of Charles & Eliza than those of Thomas & Elizabeth.
If so, then where was Elizabeth (nee ROZIER) in 1891? I've not been able to find her yet and I suspect she was still alive as the NBI has Stowmarket burials of Eliza MARKWELL (age 76) on 14/11/1891 and Elizabeth MARKWELL (age 80) on 19/10/1897 (so both alive at the time of the 1891 census). Not sure which burial is which though!
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Hi
cant prove it but I feel that Thomas Edward Markwell b 1845 is the child of Thomas and Elizabeth(BetseyRosier...........Thomas born 1846 is child of Thomas and Eliza Markwell nee Tricker
I think all census with Betsey in are Thomas and Elizabeth and the death of Elizabeth Markwell nee Rosier is 1897
The 1848 baptism I don't think is your Thomas further down the transcription is does say Bn 8th Aug 1847
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Hi Nick and Sandie.
I think this subject was mentioned by James Calver some time ago and probably from this I have Elizabeth and Thomas Markwell married 22.12.1836 at Stowmarket and then as you say Thomas Edward age 6 on the 1851. I also have that on the 1891 there is Eliza Markwell age 74 Charwoman Widow with son Charles and his family at Bond Street, Stowmarket. Does this help?
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Hi Dennis long time no talk!!
this family isn't one of my Rosier family was just giving my opinion(as usual!!) for Nick
the 1891 family is not the family Nick is looking for this is Eliza Tricker.......the firat one you mention is the right family Elizabeth Rosier and Thomas Markwell.
Sandie
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Hi Dennis and Sandie, thank you both for your replies.
I've had a chance to get to a library to check the FindMyPast transcriptions for all the MARKWELL baptisms in Stowmarket.
I notice the transcription for Thomas Edward bp.1848 also shows their residence as Combs, not Stowmarket.
I cannot find another Thomas and Elizabeth MARKWELL who could be the parents of the Thomas Edward baptised in 1848, and there is no birth registration on FreeBMD for any Thomas MARKWELL in the September and December quarters of 1847 as might be expected for a birthdate of 8 Aug 1847.
On that basis I wonder if either the transcription or original record might be wrong, and the birthdate should be 8 Aug 1845, not 1847. That birthdate would be consistent with the registration of the Thomas Edward in Sep quarter of 1845 - who I believe is the son of Thomas and Elizabeth/Betsey.
My next step would be to check the 1848 baptism transcript against the original register, but as I'm not likely to be in Suffolk for a while it may take some time to do. But thank you again for your help.
Dennis, I'm not sure from your posts whether you are somehow connected to Thomas and Elizabeth MARKWELL or if you just had access to data about them. My 'family' link is a distant one to Herbert George MARKWELL (b.1899) who was a grandson (via Isaac b.1859) of Thomas and Elizabeth.
Best wishes,
Nick
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Hi Nick.
No I am not connected to the Markwell family but have been doing a one name study of the Rosier or Rosher family name as far as Suffolk is concerned. i think I started about 1990 and Sandie and I have made contact several times in the past. So being based around the mid Suffolk area I simply have a note of Stowmarket and Combs Rosiers. Spent a holiday once cycling around the villages and photographing churches and spending days in the Ipswich Records Office. Great fun!
So best wishes in your research.
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Baloo,
I see you have made reference to Sarah Rozier who married Charles Ribbans in 1842 in Suffolk (reply # 12).
Are you able to give any more info as to where they married and who his father was, please?
I've been try to find if he belongs in my "Ribbans" tree, I have them both in the 185,61,71, &81 census .
Alan