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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: aitchscot on Wednesday 07 March 12 09:29 GMT (UK)
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If someone died at Dingleton hospital in 1918, where would they
be interred after they passed away?
If perhaps family did not know they were there? Or if the family's
whereabouts was unknown...in the days pre Telephones, Computers, and ordinary folk not owning a Car???
Aitch
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probably returned to the family if known, however try the Weird Cemetery at Melrose, its about a mile away.
today the BGH have a plot at the cemetery for the burial of still born baby. so, it could be likely that Dingleton had something similar. or try the other cemeteries in Melrose and around Melrose.
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I love the idea of Weird Cemetery - sounds like something out of a Stephen King horror story - but I think you mean Wairds Cemetery.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1542561
Harry
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A person dying in Dingleton Hospital, Melrose could be buried anywhere in the Borders because I used to be the Asylum for the folk in the Borders. Just a thought. I know I had a great Uncle die there back in the 1960's and he is interred in the Heatheryett, Galashiels.
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Records for dingle ton hospital are held by Edinburgh university but only certified relatives can get access to their relatives records and obviously place of burial .i understand it's not easy but worthwhile. I know a lady who traced the death of her aunt who was placed there for having an illigitamite baby at 16 and was there till she died about 40yrs later!
Alan
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I had a relative who died there in 1917 and she was buried at Wairds Cemetery in Melrose. The death certificate gave the place of internment and the local authority (Scottish Borders Council) were extremely helpful in locating the plot within the cemetery where she was buried as there was no headstone.
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We've recently found out that one of Suzy's possible relations was a patient there was back in 1891 when it was known as the Roxburgh District Lunatic Asylum.
We have got in touch with the Lothian & Borders Health Services Archive and they are going to trac down the patients records for us.
Great help they were if anyone is wanting to do the same thing.
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aitchscot. For your info Wairds Cemetery has now been recorded by Selkirk Antiquarian Society and available from them on CD or from Masons bookstore, Market Square melrose.Its a large cemetery with about 1400 headstones .
alan
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Does anyone know whether there were any other hospitals or nursing homes in the vicinity of Melrose in the late 1930s/early 1940s? I ask because my Dad's grandmother suffered a head injury after being hit by a car in the streets of Edinburgh around this time, and ended up in "a nursing home" (no names were mentioned) at Melrose, as she never fully recovered. She died there in December 1940, and was buried in one of the churchyards nearby, though I don't know which one. Having done a bit of digging, I fully suspect that she was actually at Dingleton, but I thought I'd check for alternatives before I jumped to conclusions.
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Does anyone know whether there were any other hospitals or nursing homes in the vicinity of Melrose in the late 1930s/early 1940s? I ask because my Dad's grandmother suffered a head injury after being hit by a car in the streets of Edinburgh around this time, and ended up in "a nursing home" (no names were mentioned) at Melrose, as she never fully recovered. She died there in December 1940, and was buried in one of the churchyards nearby, though I don't know which one. Having done a bit of digging, I fully suspect that she was actually at Dingleton, but I thought I'd check for alternatives before I jumped to conclusions.
Have you seen her death certificate? It will tell you exactly where she died. I don't think that 'a nursing home' and the county mental hospital would be the same place.
If you haven't seen it, go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, invest in few credits and use some of them to view and download the death certificate.
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Hi Forfarian
I haven't previously invested in her death certificate, for the simple reason that 99% of the information was provided in a letter written by my great-grandfather to his daughters to inform them of her death. However, he was fairly cagey about mentioning the name of the place she died in, referring to it only in passing as a nursing home or as "the hospital at Melrose," in the course of the letter.
The reason I suspect she was at Dingleton is that my grandfather refers to her "poor distracted mind," and also mentions a doctor telling him "there was no hope of her mental recovery." Sadly, in those days anyone with even a hint of mental problems was referred to places like these, including individuals with post-natal depression, Down's Syndrome and dementia, and she had clearly sustained a fairly serious brain injury. Great-grandpa would have had good reason to be a bit coy about saying his wife was in a mental institution, as I've just discovered that his youngest brother spent most of his adult life in several of them, and eventually died at Bangour Village Hospital.
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Looks as if it may after all be worth getting the extra 1% of information then ;)
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I may have to save a few more pennies first - I've just discovered some cousins I never knew I had! :)
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The death record confirmed my great-gran did die at Roxburgh District Asylum (Dingleton), as I'd suspected, but it's also thrown up another question. Cause of death was given as "Cerebral softening - Probably some years," and there's no mention of it being caused by a head injury, which leads me to wonder if the car accident wasn't a fabrication of my great-grandfather's, and that she might just have been suffering from some form of dementia. I've certainly never been able to trace any newspaper reports of the accident.
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It could still have been the long-term consequence of an accident.
"Encephalomalacia describes the softening or loss of brain tissue after an injury. Doctors also refer to this condition as cerebral softening. Encephalomalacia is a very serious brain disorder that can cause permanent tissue damage, such as brain scarring or loss of tissues. Encephalomalacia can cause brain damage that impairs functioning and health, as well as lead to certain diseases and disorders. Accident victims with encephalomalacia may never fully recover. Here’s what you need to know about this severe type of injury.
Encephalomalacia can stem from many types of trauma, including traumatic brain injury in an accident, surgery complications, fungal infection, and birth injuries. These traumas can cause liquefactive necrosis, or the transformation of brain tissue into liquid viscous mass."
From https://kitaylaw.com/what-is-encephalomalacia/
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That's really interesting! I just wish I could pin down an accident report because then I'd know how long ago the head injury happened. My great-grandparents had retired and "come back home" to Edinburgh (after years living in what was then Southern Rhodesia) around 1932 or '33, so the accident could have occurred any time between then and late 1939.
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That's really interesting! I just wish I could pin down an accident report because then I'd know how long ago the head injury happened. My great-grandparents had retired and "come back home" to Edinburgh (after years living in what was then Southern Rhodesia) around 1932 or '33, so the accident could have occurred any time between then and late 1939.
You could try accessing her detailed patient records at Dingleton. The hospital’s records survive, in Edinburgh. I describe them in GENUKI at
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ROX/Melrose#MedicalRecords
And if you follow the link though from there you should be able to find the full archive details. There are confidentiality closures, but as a great grandchild you may be able to access them.
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Thank you Viv, that may be worth a try. It's not really a huge deal, but it would be nice to find out once and for all what really happened.
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Hello, please look at the photo, can anyone recognize this person? This is my grandfather, born in 1916, he is from Ukraine. In 1959, fate brought him to the Dingleton Hospital Melrose. The last letter was from him in 1971. There is also information that he died somewhere in 1973-1974. Tell me where you can find information about him. Thanks!
(https://d.radikal.ru/d14/2002/c9/b4c515862e84.jpg)
(https://d.radikal.ru/d36/2002/45/29df1b5a8f8c.jpg)
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If he died in Scotland his death should be in the index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
There is a death of a Zenyk Debinski in Melrose in 1973, and a Wasyl Kuzner in 1974.
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If he died in Scotland his death should be in the index at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
There is a death of a Zenyk Debinski in Melrose in 1973, and a Wasyl Kuzner in 1974.
Thank you very much! I managed to find a place and a year when my grandfather died!
But that’s all. Tell me how to find out the place where he is buried. And information about him. I will be very grateful.
(https://b.radikal.ru/b40/2002/c7/50ed8e4ca4dc.jpg)
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Thank you very much! I managed to find a place and a year when my grandfather died!
But that’s all. Tell me how to find out the place where he is buried. And information about him. I will be very grateful.
Assuming that he is buried somewhere near the hospital, the burial records will be in the care of Scottish Borders Council. See https://www.scotborders.gov.uk/info/20021/burials_and_cemeteries
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Above in the screenshot it is written that he is buried in Galashiels.
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Above in the screenshot it is written that he is buried in Galashiels.
I see nothing in the screenshot to say where he was buried. It says RD Galashiels, i.e. Registration District Galashiels. Scotland's People does not collect or keep information about burials after 1860.
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Above in the screenshot it is written that he is buried in Galashiels.
No, it says that his death was registered in Galashiels.
You should order a copy of his death certificate - using the link on the site you gave a screenshot of - to get more details of his circumstances when he died.
It won't give a place of burial, but would give you extra information, including cause of death, his address, and the name of the informant when he died.
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I HAVE READ THE 3 PAGES AND DONT KNOW WHO IS LOOKING FOR WHOM?IF ONE IS STILL LOOKING FOR DEBINSKI THEN HE IS BURIED IN WAIRDS CEMETERY. I TRANSCRIBED WAIRDS MYSELF AND IS ON CD.
1201 “D” In loving memory of ZENYK DEBINSKI beloved husband of ELIZABETH FORD , Broomlands , Tower Road, Darnick, Melrose died 29th May 1973 aged 67yrs also his wife ELIZABETH FORD died 9th November 1976 aged 75yrs.
ELIZABETH FORDS FAMILY HAD THE DAIRY IN DARNICK.
IF SOMEONE GAVE ME A NAME I CAN SEARCH THE LOCAL CEMETERIES.
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Alan, if you don't mind, would you perhaps be able to find out in which of the local cemeteries my great-grandmother Margaret Clark(e) MacGregor is buried? She died at Dingleton/Roxburgh District Asylum and was buried locally in early January 1941, during a period of heavy snow. I'm not entirely sure if she even has a headstone, at this point, as apparently when my great-grandfather enquired about putting one up circa 1942, he was told he would first have to get permission from the Council. Given that my great-grandfather had only a small pension to live on and was by then in very poor health, he may not have been able to have one erected before he died himself, so it may be a fruitless search.
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GEORDIE DAUGHTER.
TO ESTABLISH WHERE SHE IS BURIED RING DIANE THE BURIALS OFFICER AT Scottish Borders COUNCIL Newtown St Boswells.SHE WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHERE SHE IS BURIED. POSSIBLY WAIRDS OR WEIRHILL IN MELROSE .I HAVE CHECKED AND FOUND NOTHING AND I TRANSCRIBED BOTH CEMETERIES. I CAN ONLY HELP WHEN THERE IS A HEADSTONE. I SUSPECT THERE IS NONE BUT DIANE WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A MAP AND LAIR NUMBER TO HELP.
GOOD LUCK
ALAN
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Thank you very much for checking, Alan. As I mentioned before, I suspected that there might be no headstone. I have jotted down the details you have given me and will see if Diane can help.
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Hello, tell me where is it?
Weirhill Cemetery, Path H1 -Lair No. 26- this was ground purchased by the Dingleton Hospital.
Interred on 26th February 1980 - Semen Welykodnyj, aged 65 years.
Thanks!!!