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Can anyone help please with baptism / birth for the following:
Eliza STAFF - born c1839. Listed in 1841 census of Thorndon as aged 2. Particularly want thebaptism record as I am having trouble identifying mother / father.
Rachel Staff - IGI has baptism 6 Apr 1817 but lists place only as "Suffolk". Census of 1841 lists as 20 year-old farm servant in Thorndon.
Lionel Staff - appears in 1841 and 1851 census in Thorndon. Place of birth Earl Stonham c1810, but suspect may be Thorndon/Wetheringsett?
many thanks
dejay
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Hi dejay. so that we can see Eliza in 1841, is this the family grouping she
is with:-
Stephen Staff 58
Mary 50
Elizabeth 25
Martha 20
Hannah 15
Jane 10
Rebecca 9
Emma 4
Harriott 3
ELIZAR 2
Hariott 8
Harriott1
With a Hayhoe family
Residing at Thorndon
Census ref HO107/1024/16/5
Keyboard86
Why so many Harriotts!
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That is the correct family. My "hunch" is that Elizar is the daughter of the eldest daughter - Elizabeth .... but don't bother trying to work it out from the census info.
In 1851 she is listed as the "grand daughter" of Stephen and Mary. In 1861 she is working in London. On her marriage in 1868 she states that Stephen is her father.
This is why I am trying to see if anyone can find the people in original parish registers.
The three Harriotts are respectively Martha's, Mary's and Elizabeth's
cheers
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I have looked at the Thorndon parish register but cannot see any of the above baptisms there, sorry :(
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Thanks for having a look and letting me know.
david
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Hello David
Re: Eliza STAFF
This might be a red herring but it may help - from Suffolk Burial Index:
Emma Staff daughter of Elizabeth, abode Stowupland, buried 12 May 1838 age 7weeks Thorndon All Saints.
Emma's details appear on FreeBMD (birth & burial) in the Stow RD (incs Stowupland). You say you think Eliza may be the child of Elizabeth as well but I cannot see a birth reg for Eliza Staff on the same website in Suffolk let alone in either Stow or Hartismere RDs but I did find the birth of an Elizabeth Jane Scarf Sep Qtr 1839 Ref. 12/402 Stow RD - the names are similar could this possibly be Eliza?
Possible that both were bpt in Stowupland if that is where Elizabeth lived.
Keziah
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Re: Lionel STAFF c1810
Lionel STAFF married Mary Ann WELHAM 19 Jan 1834 Wetheringsett. Both appeared to be otp as nothing to the contrary is noted on the Suffolk Marriage Index. However, as I am sure you will know, that only means that is where they were residing on their marriage. Indeed Mary Ann later states on the Crs that she was born in Baylham.
Lionel consistently states Stonham on the Crs right up to 1881 - there are 3 seperate Stonham parishes - Earl Stonham, Stonham Aspal & Little Stonham (aka Stonham Parva). Could they possibly have been NC - there is a very active baptist chapel on the Norwich Rd,Stonham now & it was certainly there in 1870s.
Keziah
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Keziah
Thanks for the information. I do not believe they were NC - number of baptisms on IGI and elsewhere for members of the family .. but I'll bear it in mind.
Unfortunately there are a number of Scarf / Scarffs in the area so I don't think that this is relevant; and Lionel is (I believe) the brother of the Stephen in the family I am chasing up.
Thanks for looking this up anyway - I'll have to check back to my records and see if I have "covered" the Stowupland angle.
regards
david
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Yes I got the impression that Stephen & Lionel could have been brothers.
& yes I thought about Scarf too - very similar especially when you chuck in the Suffolk accent.
The Suffolk Burial Index covers the parishes of Thorndon, Wetheringsett & the Stonhams & lists Staff burials earliest 1810 Thorndon, earliest 1821 Wetheringsett & none in the Stonhams, which you would expect if the family came from any of the parishes. Might just be that the records are not available or have not been fully transcribed.
Could they have come from Norfolk - Thorndon is not far from the Suffolk/Norfolk boundary.
K
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There is a submitted entry on the familysearch.org website
Stephen STAFF bpt 19 Mar 1755 Dickleburgh, Nfk. Parents John & Anne.
Dickleburgh is due north of Thorndon not far at all.
The original Dickleburgh PRs are available to view on line on the familysearch site & on pg13 of the 1738 - 1795 Bpt reg you can see the above bpt entry.
Stephen STAFF buried 20 July 1845 age 92 Thorndon All Saints - so born c1753. If they came from Dickleburgh it might explain why there are no burials earlier than 1810 at Thorndon.
An Elizabeth STAFF (wife of Stephen) was buried 26 Sep 1830 age 75 Thorndon All Saints (so c1755).
Also a Robert STAFF buried 24 Nov 1835 age 79 Thorndon All Saints (so c1756). There is another submitted entry on familysearch Robert STAFF bpt 7 Jan 1756 Dickleburgh parents John & Anne. Again you can see the actual entry in the PRs - lurking as the last entry in 1755 same page as above.
So it looks like STAFF is correct & they may have come from Dickleburgh.
K
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Keziah
Thanks for this info. I had the burials (Stephen, Elizabeth and Robert) from the Suffolk Burial Index - which is how I "constructed" the family .... but the Dickleburgh baptisms are new to me and quite exciting - as the family they married into in the 1850s came (I think) from Pulham St. Mary in Norfolk which is just up the road from there.
So - many thanks for that. I'll have to go back to family search some time and have a look around.
(The marriage info that you provided for Lionel Staff also appears to fit ... so many thanks for that too)
david
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An Eliza Staff (born Thorndon c1840) married a miller, William Roe (born Redlingfield 1824) at Linton, Cambridge in 1868 as his 2nd wife. I believe it was this Eliza who was employed by the Soper family of Gibson Square, Islington in 1861. William's first wife (& Eliza's elder sister)was Rachel Staff (born c1821) married October 24th 1849 at Linton, she died childless in 1867.
By 1881 the family were living at Sawston Mill, Cambridge.
As usual the census records are inconsistent with the spelling of surname, birth dates & birth places.
June 6th 1841 the dwelling appeared have 12 "Staff" family & 5 "Heyhoe" family
In 1851 (FMS has Eliza and her family under the surname of "Stuff") are living with "grandparents" sic parents? Stephen (1783-1869) & Mary.
Martha Staff was living there with her new & younger husband Robert Stringer!
In April 1871 Mary Staff was living with her "Thrower" grandchildren, she died aged 84 later that year.