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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: Viktoria on Friday 09 March 12 19:40 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I am hoping someone can shed some light on this person who was my G.grandmother`s oldest brother.
He was born on 3/05/1825 to Thomas Cole and Rebecca Cole ( nee Cordley), at Pinchbeck.
He was not at his parent`s home on the night of the 1851 census. He may have been living away from home (Ag Lab) , married and in his own home, but there is also the possibility he had sailed for Essington, Victoria ,Australia.
He may have sailed on "The Countess of Elgin" early in 1851, before the census. The gold rush began then.
I can`t find a marriage nor any other trace of him in England or Australia.
My sister is shortly leaving for Australia and whilst there will endeavour to trace our distant family .
She plans to go to Sofala and visit the cemetery there where some of our family are buried.
Any help will be much appreciated re the elusive Henry.
Viktoria.
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Hi Viktoria, their is a Henry Cole aged 25 Unmarried occ Dissenting Minister b Pinchbeck, shown as lodger with the Gibbs family at James Street, Boston, Lincs in 1851?
Census Ref HO107/2099/446/18
Keyboard86
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Keyboard, thankyou very much, it is worth pursuing as the family were Methodists but of course as most Chapels were not licenced for marriages ( if indeed any were at the time) they did marry in Church.Well those whose marriages I have traced.
Lincolnshire marriage records were incomplete when we visited and Bishop`s transcripts did not help at all.
As his brothers were Ag Labs I assumed he would be too, but of course he could have been a preacher as well.I have others in another branch of the family who were.
Anyway I have something to go on now and hopefully something will emerge.
Thankyou again. Kind regards.Viktoria.
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I've just noticed your message and I too have been looking at Henry Cole of Pinchbeck. He married a distant relative of mine and they went to Australia sometime between 1854 and 1857. I can PM you the finer details. Jazgran
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I have this in my mother's family in Cambridgeshire, they were dissenters, Baptists in fact which makes things a little harder as only adult baptisms were made, but it is worthwhile trying to trace the Methodist records since when dissenting records are available they are usually very informative.Several of my relatives were lay readers in the local chapel, in addition to being shown as ag labs in the censuses, so that link is not unlikely. If your Henry Cole was living in James Street Boston, then it is likely he was involved with the Methodist church which I remember off George Street, opposite the end of Fydell Crescent. It was demolished and the site become a supermarket. One up to Mammon I fear! Incidentally my paternal grandparents lived in Pinchbeck in the 19th century, surname Burton.
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Jazgren and Redroger-- thankyou both so much. From somewhere I had it Henry went to Australia BEFORE his brothers . They went in 1853, I`ve quite a lot of details of three who sailed on" The Harriet "if they would be useful to you also Cole family details ( Henry`s siblings and parents etc )which I`ll gladly share.
But of course I would love to know more . Thanks again to you both. Viktoria.
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Well , I have been in touch with a lady in Australia who wrote a book about the very people I have been searching for.My sister is in Aus at the moment and will be sent a copy by the author so will bring it home when she returns . It`s all I needed.
The author is the wife of a descendant of one the brothers who emigrated in the 1850`s gold rush . She is very interested in the family history prior to their emigration, I can help a bit there but also with my great grandmother`s history as she was the sister to those pioneers,and this is of interest to the lady I contacted .
All this came about because I helped someone else with the family`s history and as the old Lancashire saying goes--- "cast your bread upon the waters and it will come back buttered toast!"
I thought I`d let you know as you were so helpful.
Thanks again. Viktoria.
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Hi Viktoria. Thanks for the update - and what a lovely result you have had. I hope you continue to enjoy. I did some follow up, just out of interest, and found lots of descendents, including the Japanese connection and their photos on the Victoria Museum website (have you seen them?). Jazgran
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Great stuff Viktoria, if you think I can help further with Pinchbeck or the immediate vicinity please let me know.
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Thanks very much, I have (somewhere!) photos of the two churches although only St Mary`s is relevant as St. Bartholomew`s was built after the brothers left for Aus.The family lived at Six House(es) Bank and Hammond Beck Bank, I have no photo of those addresses as we could not find them. Pinchbeck seemed not to have a centre as such and we were a bit lost. We went to St Mary`s church one Sunday and people were very kind, pointing out some family graves in the burial ground and we were shown a photo of the Minister who married some relatives .His handwriting is almost illegible, ---Stravenson Wilson.
As yet I do not know about the connection with Japan, I`m hoping the book will make all clear.
I`ll have to hope the photos are still on the disc in the camera,I`d like to send them to the author of the book I mentioned.
Thanks again. Viktoria.
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Hi Viktoria,
My name's Danielle. I was born & raised in Sydney, lived in London for 14 years & now live in Brisbane.
Thomas Cole & Rebecca Jane Cordley are my Great, Great, Great, Great GRANDPARENTS!!
I went to a family reunion last month in Sydney & one of my Uncles has been working tirelessly on our family tree & I only received my file on all the information tonight!
Unfortunately what I've been given on that side of the family stop with Thomas born 1801 & Rebecca Born: 1803. Son's William & Thomas (my Great, great, great Grandfather) & wives sailing to our lovely Aussie shores on the Harriet.
Supposidley I can log onto another site to read about Thomas Cole's life. Which I'd be more than happy to share. What's your relationship to them (me)??! And do you live in Lincolnshire?!
Cheers Dani
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Hello Danilouis, How lovely to hear from you.
My Great Grandmother was the younger sister of Henry, Thomas etc. who sailed to Australia.
Thomas and Rebecca (Cordley )are my Great Great Grandparents.
She--Eliza-- stayed in Lincolnshire, married and lived in Nottinghamshire and after being widowed and re-marrying went to live in Lancashire where I live.
Not a lot is known about her or her descendants by the Australian side of the family. Quite understandable really. My Dad always said he had a cousin in Australia, I`m wondering if it is a descendant of my Grandfather`s sister Rebecca Ann, whose married name was Dixon.I keep coming up against a brick wall.That would be the only first cousin he would have.
There is a book about the Cole brothers who went to Australia, called "For God and Gold". Do you have it or do you even know about it? It goes right through the generations to present day, an enormous task very well done. Let me know if you need details. There is also an account of his voyage by Henry , which I must try to get.
My Great Grandmother Eliza had two children, Henry Thomas and Rebeccca Ann ,to her first husband James Wright who died young.
Her second husband Dobson Addy seemed to disappear and does not appear on any census forms at all with Eliza, but appears in Yorkshire described as "Unmarried" whilst Eliza in Manchester is described as a widow.So what had gone wrong I can`t find out.
Do let me know if I can help you at all. Thankyou for contacting me . Kindest regards.Viktoria.
Dobson Addy( 2) Eliza Cole- m- James Wright (1)
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Mary Blakemore -m- HenryThomas _____Rebecca Ann-m- Dixon
| Wright( later changed to Addy) |
Norah.
Alice Pomphrey - m - Wilfred Henry Addy
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Pauline Mary_____Marcia Viktoria.
1934 1937
My Grandfather changed his surname to Addy from Wright but his sister Rebecca Ann kept their proper surname of Wright.V.
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Hi again Viktoria!
It was wonderful to get a reply from you so quickly :D
I'm at the airport with my mother about to board a plane to Japan for 2 weeks. So I will be out of action. I don't have the paperwork on me but I would live to provide you with my family tree when I get home to see where we both fit in!
I can't believe I lived in England for 14 years & had no idea where our English roots lived.
My husband is English (Born Liverpool) so my daughter has dual nationality so we are back in the fold of the motherland-lol!
Flights been called so I'm off. I would love to hear more about your side of the family.
Cheers for now,
Dani
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You will of course get this when you get back and I`m looking forward to hearing from you again . I`m hoping you have a lovely visit to Japan.
My sister has a marrried daughter in Sydney, with two children , she also has a son there. Cheerio for now.Kind regards. viktoria.
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I am trying to find the Cole side of my family I too am related to Thomas Cole & Rebecca Jane Cordley cant remember how but i do remember the names had a computer crash and lost everything :( ... coles girls married in to my Charman family for 3 generations starting with Rebecca Cole married William CHARMAN (1846-1911) then their son David CHARMAN (1881-1957) married Maggie Cole and their son my grandfather Eric CHARMAN (1910-dec.- decesed ),married Eva Gladys Cole (Eva G Cole & Eric Charman were also 1st Cousins, 1ce
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ok just found this hidden on my external hard drive
Thomas was the first son born to Thomas and Ann Cole. He was born on 14th November, 1855 in Sydney, New South Wales, before the family moved to the goldfields around Sofala. Thomas married Alice Selina (Dolly) Robinson on 9th October, 1884 at the home of Dolly's step-father, James Hammond at Green Valley, Sofala. Witnesses to their marriage were William Cole and Margaret Hammond.
Thomas and Dolly lived in the Turondale/Sofala area all their married life. They had nine children. Thomas worked as a miner but he also worked as a labourer on surrounding farms in the area to supplement his income. When the river was in flood, they could not cross for weeks, so in order to get their supplies they had to travel up the Wyagdon to Hill End and then down to Sofala.
Thomas suffered from epilepsy and was described as an invalid pensioner at his death. He had problems with his heart for the last two years of his life. He died in Bathurst Hospital at 3am on 21st April, 1925 of mitral and muscular disease of the heart as well as an epileptic fit. He was buried at Holy Trinity Church in Kelso on 22nd April, 1925.
Maggie was the second daughter of Thomas and Ann Cole. She was born in Sofala on 6th March, 1888 and she was baptised on 10th April of that year. At 19 years old, Maggie married David Charman on 2nd January, 1907 in Sofala. David was her first cousin. Maggie died on 12th June, 1969 in Bathurst and she was cremated at Orange
Ruby was born in 1902 in Sofala New South Wales ans she was baptised on 29th June of the same year. She only lived for five months and she was buried in Sofala.
Lionel was the fifth and youngest child born to Arthur and Margaret Cole. He was born on 21st February, 1910 in Turondale, New South Wales. Lionel was 40 years old when he married Enid Hazel Duncan (nee Cox) on 2oth January, 1951. They lived in a house built by Lionel on Good Luck Station, the property owned by his parents. Lionel's father had died, so he worked the property of 3000 acres. Being older when he married he was set in his ways and many times Enid had to provide the money for the housekeeping. Lionel was a good sportsman, playing cricket and tennis.
Lionel suffered from emphysema which caused his death on 26th August, 1989 in Turondale and he was buried at the Holy trinity Church, Kelso.
Arthur was born at Turondale on 11th February, 1871. He was the eleventh and last child of William and Mary. In 1895 Arthur married Margaret Ann Gale at Wallaby Rocks at the bride's parents home. The witnesses to their marriage were George Gale, Sarah Charman and Alfred Gale. They lived with Granny Cole until they built their own humpy. They had a family of ten children but several others were born stillborn and as was the custom of the day they would have been buried on the property and they were not always registered.
Arthur worked as a miner, bush worker and on the land until he bought "Good Luck Station" in about 1928, which consisted of 1763 acres of land and he was considered a very hard worker.
Arthur died on 29th November, 1944 at Turondale and he did not leave a will, so the estate was divided between Margaret and their children.
Eva Gladys Cole was the 10th and youngest child of Arthur and Margaret Cole, born on 11th December, 1911 at Turondale, New South Wales. Eva attended school at Turondale until she was thirteen when the school closed down. She helped her mother at home after leaving school.
On 16th December, 1931 Eva married Eric Charman, who was a second cousin, once removed. Witnesses to their marriage were Nellie Charman and Lionel Cole, the bride's brother. They first lived at Turondale and then moved to Bathurst about 1943 for a couple of years. At one stage they lived in the school residence at Turondale.They had six children and a stillborn baby.
They moved to Sydney and lived at 26 Toohey Avenue, Westmead and Eric worked at Goodyear Tyres at Rose Hill for twenty five years. They separated during this time. Eva lived with her daughter, Marlene in Springfield, Brisbane, Queensland until her death on 5th December, 2006
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Aussiewench, hello, thankyou for your email.
There is a very comprehensive family tree and if you care to put in -FOR GOD AND GOLD , Rev Henry Cole, it will enable you to view the whole family tree . The tree is enormous and you will find all you need. I feel it is only polite of me to suggest you contact the people who have done so much research, they are very generous and helpful but so much effort can`t be just ignored I`m sure you agree.They will direct you to their tree and all you need.
If you have seen my previous post you`ll know I am descended from one of the two daughters, ( Eliza) both of whom stayed in England. Only some sons went to Australia.
I remember the names you mentioned and you will be thrilled to bits when you see just how much detail is there. Kind regards and let me know how you get on. If no success I`l help if I can.
Viktoria.
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Hi Dani, I just read your message on the Cole family. I am also a descendent of Thomas and Rebecca Cole, their son Thomas and his wife Ann Harrison. I have been researching the family for 7 years and I was most interested that you attended a reunion in Sydney recently. I would love to attend the next gathering if that's possible. There is a reunion every Easter at Turondale near Bathurst and some of the descendents have built a small memorial near the site of Thomas and Ann's homesite on Round Hill station. They also had a time capsule placed inside this memorial to be opened in fifty years and added to with the next generation. I have my Cole Family Tree on Ancestry and I try to work on it every day. I would love to be in contact with you. I lived in Sydney until moving to the mid North Coast a few years ago but I still have family living in Sydney. I hope to hear from you. Regards, Ellena :-*
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thanks my sister has a copy of FOR GOD AND GOLD that her daughter bought at the cole reunion in the Bathurst area a few years back ..I rang her last night and asked if I could get a loan of it .. ;D
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Hello Ellena, how nice to see a post from you. I must thank you for all the updates you have sent me over a considerable time.
I am still trying to find who it was that my father described as his cousin in Australia. Hope you are well and that you manage to get to the reunion. Kindest regards. Viktoria.
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here is how I am related to them
Henry Cole (1742) & unknown
Thomas Cole & Ann Spinks
Thomas Cole & Elizabeth Allen
Thomas Cole & Rebecca Cordley
Thomas Cole & Ann Harrison
Thomas Cole & Alice Selina Robinson
David Charman and Maggie Cole (who were fist cousins)
Eric Charman and Eva Gladys Cole (were first cousins 2 removed I think)
then my mum and dad
and us
I can give you our kids and my grand kids if u want ?
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::)Thanks for replying to my email. I would lovbe to get some information about your kids and grand kids. This where I fit in the Cole descendants:
Thomas Cole and Ann Harrison
Mary Jane Cole and Robert Winterbottom
Ann Winterbottom and Alfred James Parkins
Patricia Parkins and Colin Frederick Chambers
Me and (*)
My Children (*)
My Grandchild (*)
This means we are cousins!
My Cole tree is on Ancestry so if you are a member I can give you an invitation.
Ellena ::)
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I was recently given some copies of my cole family tree starting with william from Pinchbeck, Lincolnshire, , England DOB August 24, 1826 To present day happy to share email me if interested aussiewench@gmail
Di
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Hello,how lovely to hear from you.I would appreciate anything you can share.
Are you aware of a book written by a descendant?
"For God and Gold"if not I will send you details.
I am descended from Eliza Cole,I think the next to youngest child of the large family,four of the sons emigrated to Australia.This was 1850`s.
Henry Cole was a Methodist minister hence the God in the title of the book. The other brothers were gold prospectors and also farmers. They went first.
Eliza Cole m Joshua(sometimes James)Wright.
They had two children Henry Thomas and Rebecca .
Joshua died and Eliza re married Dobson Addy .
Henry took his stepfather`s name and became Henry Addy , however Rebecca did not .
The now Henry Addy married Mary Blakemore.
They had three children,Wilfred Henry my father ,and Harold and Anne. The last two had no children.
My father married Alice Pomphrey. They had my elder sister and me .We are 84 and almost 81 now.
Thank you for your email and I`ll help all I can. People have been so kind and generous and whilst I may not be able to help them I will help whoever I can.
Thanks again.Viktoria.
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Viktoria email me aussiewench@gmail.com
Di
ps yes i currently have my sisters copy of for god and gold that she purchased at ther cole family reunion a few years back