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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Happy Chappy :-) on Tuesday 06 March 12 21:50 GMT (UK)
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Hello Everyone;
Some friends are doing research and contacted me looking for information on the following;
The story is about of Edwin Hughes, Brendan Holohan and Joseph Rogers from Drumcondra.
Red Cow Three-
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Edwin Hughes (17) Brendan Holohan (17) and Joseph Rogers-(16)- Murdered after arrest on October 7th 1922 in Clondalkin Dublin. Hunted by Charlie Dalton’s CID squad arrested in Clonliffe Rd, Drumcondra for putting up republican posters and brought back to Wellington Barracks (now Griffith) By Sept 1922 140 anti treaty prisoners and disturbing rumours of torture circulate. A young girl Jennie O’Toole had been pasting up the handbills but had repeatedly met with abuse so the boys had taken over to protect her. The boys left Edwin’s house at 10.30 on Friday and shortly after they were seen in a military lorry, it was the last time they were seen alive. On October 7th, 1922 the bodies of the three are found on waste ground now part of Red Cow then an obscure little known village on the Naas Rd. Each had been shot in the head.
Edwin Hughes (17), Member of Fianna Eireann of 107 Clonliffe Rd, Drumcondra. Body identified by his older brother Gerald Hughes.
Brendan Holohan (17), Member of Fianna Eireann of 49 St Patricks Rd, Drumcondra. Body identified by his father Michael Holohan.
Joseph Rogers (16), Member of Fianna Eireann of 2 Upper St, Brigids Rd, Drumcondra. Body identified by his older brother Michael Rogers. Youngest of the three.
Anyone any info? or is a descendant of the above persons?
Cheers
Happy Chappy
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Hi Happy, did you try the Brothers in Joeys school, they have a lot of rising etc information, on locals involved.
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The strange thing about this, is that they were all close neighbours in Drumcondra of Charles Dalton, who was then a high ranked officer the intelligence section of the Free State Army. He himself was only about 20-21 at the time and was thought to have been responsible for these murders. Mr Dalton seems to have been a very interesting person, who went on to enjoy a lot of wealth.
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Guys any information would be great !!
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Have a look at the hot topic Old IRA Brigade,I think they talk about this on page 31 or there abouts, also google Oriel House CID, I know it mentions Sean Cole and Leo Colley that were also murdered, at Yellow rd Whitehall,
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The strange thing about this, is that they were all close neighbours in Drumcondra of Charles Dalton, who was then a high ranked officer the intelligence section of the Free State Army. He himself was only about 20-21 at the time and was thought to have been responsible for these murders. Mr Dalton seems to have been a very interesting person, who went on to enjoy a lot of wealth.
Dalton`s wealth ? was your source of that information Myers article ? his weath came from the fact he was a Director in the Irish Sweep Stakes !as a lot of ex FS officers ended up there as they could not get work anywhere else ! its a pity Myers did not research his article a bit more. I have tried a couple of times to make contact with the Dalton Family as Charlie & my Great Uncle crossed paths a couple of times & including IRA operations & Army connections etc, but I have had no luck I think the amount of mud slung at him online has made the family not interested in talking about him.
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This is really important, especially about Dalton Family - please tell us any information :-)
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I didn't read Myers article. I read a few books about the Dublin units in the War of Independence and the Civil War. Unfortunately it was a book I picked up in the library and I can't recall the actual title at the moment. I'll check it out when I get the chance.
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Hello
Can anyone fill me in the folklore behind this character -
Did he execute the youths Holohan/Hughes/Rogers;
Thanks
HC.
Moderator Note : Merged with previous thread on the same subject
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Dalton wrote a book & he left a withness statement, you can find reports on Dalton & the trial about him shooting the boys on the Irish newspaper archive, there is also an article on him as a director in the sweep stakes & a nice picture of him in it too ! I am sure his headstone is pictured on the Micheal Collins site !
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Is there any relatives on this site of
Hughes
Holohan
Rodgers
Dalton
Thanks
HC
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Charlie Dalton was my grandfather.
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Hi Dalty :
Thanks for the message ; I will send you a private message
Happy Chappy
Steve
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Dublin Moderator
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Hi Shane :
Thanks for the update -
Hi Dalty
Can you issue two post to this topic and then I can send you a Private Message
It is quite urgent important
Cheers All'
Steve
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Two more posts? Well, perhaps I could try and post a picture here of Charlie, alongside his older brother, Emmet, taken around the time of Collins' death.
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Here is the photo in question.
I should add that I grew up in the UK with little knowledge of those times, and Charlie died when I was very young.
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Hi Dalty, I was trying to contact a member of your family a couple of years ago.My Late great uncle took part in the capture of the British Armoured Car that Charlie planned, They where also in the army around the same time, I have a copy of a letter here looking for the transfer of my great uncle by request of Col Dalton,they later worked in the Sweepstakes together, I had a couple of funeral notices that both men attended etc.
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Hi Garry
Hope all is well :)
Steve here :
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Hi Steve,
I am still around , been a bit of a rough ride the last few months , but trying my best to get back to normal.
Gary
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Hi Gary;
Keep up the research on your family, and delighted you linked up
with Dalty -
Cheers
H.C
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Hi Dalty, I was trying to contact a member of your family a couple of years ago.My Late great uncle took part in the capture of the British Armoured Car that Charlie planned, They where also in the army around the same time, I have a copy of a letter here looking for the transfer of my great uncle by request of Col Dalton,they later worked in the Sweepstakes together, I had a couple of funeral notices that both men attended etc.
Hi Gary, it's a smallish world, no? Charlie's role in the capture of the armoured car was documented in his book "With the Dublin Brigade". Of course, one is getting only a snapshot precis of the whole escapade, but what comes across is the daring nature of the whole plan (Collins thought it up, of course). Charlie was lookout. Emmet was the one who dressed up in British Army officer uniform (his own, no doubt) and rode with others into Mountjoy to try and spring Sean McEoin (unsuccessfully, as it turned out).
Would love to see a scan of the letter you have!
Chris
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Hi Chris I am delighted to be in touch.Emmet & Joe Leonard where dressed in Emmets uniforms, Rumour has it that there battalion badges gave them away, as that battalion was not in Dublin at that time.My pc packed in last week so I lost everything all my scans, I am using an old one at the moment but I may have a copy of that letter in my out box of my email account ! When I went to see my great uncles file in the army archives there was a note on the cover from your grandfather ! Gary
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Hi All
For anyone interested in the above topic, this looks like
a classic .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQjkRUaFM0
Regards
H.C
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For anyone interested in the above topic, this looks like
a classic .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQjkRUaFM0
I watched it last night - very interesting .. as they said somewhere, Civil wars are the worst kind, in many ways
eadaoin
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Very interesting programme
I would have preferred three individual shows as the jumping back and forth I can find off putting but the content and delivery made a viewable programme
Well done to all
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it did jump from story to story a little too much for me also - broke things up a little. That said, interesting stories..
is it a series ?
There's a program next week called 'A Lost Son' at the same time about the death of Michael McDowell's uncle Brian MacNeill, also during the civil war.
Shane
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Hi
I liked the prog, the content was brilliant, I guess there is different type prog formats
for depending on the target audience, as such it was not a documentary
; it was a fast pace prog o.k. but this was probably part of the format
template.
You could of doing an hour on any one of three stories - I thought McGarry
bit a done very well, the sweeping camera angles, explanation in visual terms of how
they torched the house, brought the story back to life. Horrendous times, we have no idea.
H.C
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Blog about this killing with a little new information:
http://heatseekers.blogspot.ie/2013/11/state-murders-of-children-in-irelands.html
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Blog about this killing with a little new information:
http://heatseekers.blogspot.ie/2013/11/state-murders-of-children-in-irelands.html
Just read it, nothing new,in fact some of is wrong (which I can`t be bothered to point out !), just a reharsh of the TV program but missing a few important facts, like one of the lads had a gun ! Its more of less the same as two other articles I have read on the killings only they where better researched. If my 15 year old wrote that for a history project I would sit down & have series words with him !. I wish people stop rehashing bad history & go a do a bit of research in an archive instead of rewriting other peoples work !