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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: scarisbrick on Wednesday 14 March 12 15:23 GMT (UK)
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i am looking for a robert henry morris born 1883 live in seacombe plus a caroline morris born 1892 and charlotte c morris born 1886 a frank morris born 1898 and john sturat morris born 1884 and fedrick morris 1898puls william morris 1876 there mum and dad are called robert howland morris born 1863 and wife sarah taylor 1860 married in 1882
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Where are you looking?
Where have you already found them to have gleaned what info you have?
We dont want to duplicate effort looking where you have already got the info.
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i know they r in the 1911 cenus staying at 2 willow cottage victoria road seacombe cheshire they r in the 1901 cenus 1891 cenus but in the 1911 cenus say they r all married the only one i know who married is caroline morris her husband is william robert scarisbrick they was married in dec 1913 in cheshire i do not know if any others got married at all
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I'm not following very well ...
Are you saying that all the "children" are back with Mum and Dad in 1911, all calling themselves married, but none of them with a spouse with them?
Hang on ..... Frank (1898) is only 13 - he cant say he is married surely!
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yes that what the 1911 cenus is saying ??? even put the ones that r no long live it said 10 kids only six r live and 4 r dead very muddle
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I'm not following very well ...
Are you saying that all the "children" are back with Mum and Dad in 1911, all calling themselves married, but none of them with a spouse with them?
Hang on ..... Frank (1898) is only 13 - he cant say he is married surely!
If you look at the schedule "do" is under single not married :) Only the first four people are married
Stan
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do comes under the married or widower i can c it on the 1911 cenus
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Here is the 1901 to give us a starting point
Rg13 3404 174 19
9 Shaw Street Poulton cum Seacombe, Cheshire
Robert H 40 Spirit warehouseman bn USA
Sarah 42 bn Manchester
William 25 son bn Liverpool
Robert 19 son bn Liverpool
Charlotte E 15 dtr bn Liverpool
Charles 11 son bn Liverpool
Caroline 8 dtr bn Liverpool
Frank 4 son bn Liverpool
Frederick 3 son bn Liverpool
Marie Leven something?-in-law 72 own means bn Manchester
(seven children alive here - so one must die 1901-1911)
ahh - red writing shows stanmapstone has it sorted!
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i c that now sorry my mistake i hold my hand on that sorry
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yep got that in 1901 cenus
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yes that what the 1911 cenus is saying ??? even put the ones that r no long live it said 10 kids only six r live and 4 r dead very muddle
There seems to have been a lot of misunderstanding of what was required, as in some cases apparently dead children have been entered by name in the census. However the form clearly states that the people entered had to be alive at midnight.
Stan
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do comes under the married or widower i can c it on the 1911 cenus
Do you mean you can see it on the 1911 census. "do" comes under single meaning that all those people are single.
Stan
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that it i took it they where all married but my fualt so give me a slap
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so i wondering if robert henry got marryed and charlotte c got married and frank morris plus fedrick morris
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Were they the ones that were single and still at home in 1911?
Do you know which one died 1901-1911?
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robert henry morris he is marred and charlotte c could they be married has couple he put daughter or is it his sister they r only ones r married alfred morris he not in the 1901 cenus but he is in the 1911 cenus
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Ok I have seen the 1911 now.
Although it is a bit of a muddle, they have actually helped by listing the children who have died, then crossing them out and marking them "dead".
Alfred, who you mention, who was born after 1901 and thus not on that census, is one of the ones who have died.
On this 1911 I see they list 10 children, and cross 4 out marked as "dead" - but that does not tie up with 1901 where there was an additonal child, William, who does not appear on the 1911 list, implying that they actually must have had 11 children.
As I noted before, there are 7 children with them in 1901, but by 1911 only 6 are still alive - I thougt 1 more must have died, but the discrepancy is this William who is there is 1901 but not mentioned in the list of 10 on 1911.
Charlotte does seem to be married, for 4 years, but they have listed her as Morris.
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From FreeBMD
Ap/MAy/Jun 1906
Birkenhead Reg District 8a 1053
Robert Henry Morris / either Ann Jane Fayle or Sarah Annie Hughes
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okay we r make break though all this so we have to look up at the paper work on marriage
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sarah annie hughes seacome st paul wirral is that the one
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i try to c if charlotte c morris was married in the bmd cheshire site nothing so i think she must have married somewhere else
robert henry was it just said sarah annie hughes seacombe st paul wirral
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From FreeBMD
Ap/MAy/Jun 1906
Birkenhead Reg District 8a 1053
Robert Henry Morris / either Ann Jane Fayle or Sarah Annie Hughes
From http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/ we know that he married Sarah Annie Hughes at St Paul's, Seacombe.
Just in case anyone is not aware of the great Cheshire BMD website ;D
Carol
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he could married both siplt up from each other quite close to each other years if i am right
still try find charlotte c morris she been married 4 years in the 1911 cenus or frank morris or even charles morris
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Charlotte Morris says she's been married 4 years,and Robert says he's been married 6 years,but if you use Free BMD or Cheshire BMD Charlotte doesn't appear.
There is a marriage in March 1903 in Birkenhead for a Robert H Morris,with a choice of 2 wives :o Martha Chapman or Harriet Connor,if one of these is correct then where is she on census day?
Off to find out which he married.......
Carol
ADDED- again at St Paul's Seacombe Robert married Martha Chapman.
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A 21 year old Martha Morris died in Birkenhead in March 1905 ref 8a page 378.
If that is his first wife,that left Robert free to marry Sarah in 1906 then.
There is also a death of a 1 year old baby Robert Howell Morris in March 1905.
I wonder if she and the baby died of the same illness?
Carol
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i got on pic of paper has scrap note martha chapman 1903 then sarah annie hughes 1906 then i got ann jane fayle to in 1906 writen down so can u see if charlotte c morris and frank , fedrick, charles any where on the married bmd plz thank u
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i got on pic of paper has scrap note martha chapman 1903 then sarah annie hughes 1906 then i got ann jane fayle to in 1906 writen down so can u see if charlotte c morris and frank , fedrick, charles any where on the married bmd plz thank u
If I were you I'd cross Annie Jane Fayle off your piece of paper,as we have proved that Robert married the other lady on the page........Sarah Annie Hughes ;D
I think you are only confusing yourself trying to look up too many people at the same time.
Hopefully you have some sort of filing system for this family tree,or even better a computer programme to put it all into?
With a relatively common name like Morris it's probably best to purchase some certs to confirm that all the facts are correct.
Carol
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Use http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ you can check them out yourself,that's all the rest of us are using(or the Cheshire BMD's)
I think Charlotte being married by 1911 might be a mistake,or why would she still be at home and using her maiden name?
Carol
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I think Charlotte being married by 1911 might be a mistake,or why would she still be at home and using her maiden name?
I thought that too Carol, as I couldnt find a marriage for her on FreeBMD.
But then I wondered why they had specifically filled in that she had been married for 4 years!
Unless they are still talking about Robert, but put it on Caroline's 'line' - ie his first marriage was 6 years ago (well, it wasnt actually, it was 7/8 depending on before or after census) and his second marriage was 4 yrs ago - which would be right as they would have their 5th anniversary during 1911.
Just a theory.
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Ah - just solved the problem of the wrong number of children!
1891 (RG12 2911 7 7 ) shows William as surname Taylor and as a step son! So that is why the numbers didnt add up in 1911 - he wasnt a child of the marriage.
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boy this is right mess nothing is easy at all try to find people is :-\ who is what gee i try that freebmd nothing for charlotte it like she vanished i wonder if she in the 1921 cenus
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boy this is right mess nothing is easy at all try to find people is :-\ who is what gee i try that freebmd nothing for charlotte it like she vanished i wonder if she in the 1921 cenus
You have a hell of a wait for the 1921(not sure Liz and I will still be here then ......sorry Liz lol) It won't be released until 2nd Jan 2022 ;D
Well done Liz for find that out about William.......the info is out there if we do but search.All comes with experience Scarisbrick.
Carol
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yes i will have take trip down to seacombe and look up the paper work
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so william taylor is a step son
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william t taylor age 15 think it says railway labour
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Have you got access to 1891 census?
If not do you want the full details?
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i got the 1880 cenus of new york
i got the 1891 cenus of uk
then i have 1901 and 1911 cenus uk
then i got robert howland morris wedding paper to sarah taylor that his father and mother
if u got any thing else in any cenus i could have look at would be nice tank u
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i got the 1891 cenus of uk
I havent got any more than you then - but it says clearly on here that William Taylor is step son.
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i was narrow it down on the bmd of marriage just take w/derby birkenhead, wirral and chesterfield 6 marriages for charles morris that robert henry brother and there 6 for frank morris marriage got nothing for charlotte c going to c if anything for fredrick morris
oh yes what i did do is that there age from 20 upwards so if charles was born 1891 add 20 years on and work though the years to see what i could find that how i got 6 marriages for him
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6 marriages !!! :o :o :o
Just think ,6 mother in laws ;D
Carol
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yes my poor head
dalzell w/derby 1912 mar
huntington birkenhead 1912 sep
partington wirral 1916mar
malia wirral 1929 dec
gray birkenhead 1934 mar
goodwin chesterfield 1934 mar
so now i have to c which one is the right one i will pin to the dartboard and closeeyes and throw dart at it
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Do you know for sure that Charles did marry?
And if so, that it was in one of those areas?
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in 1911 cenus he was 21 so iam think he could of married after the cenus was done take guest that these r quite close to his area where he live in seascombe
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That is a lot of guesswork.
MAybe he never married.
Maybe he moved away to another part of the country.
SO you have no guarantee that one of these 6 marriage are him, without sending for 6 certificates! Unless there are on the cheshirebmd yuo used earlier and you can rule some out from there.
I think without more info you may be on a wild goose chase.
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Earlier on Scarisbrick you said you'll have to get down to Seacombe,do you live near enough to do so? You haven't completed your profile so we have no idea where in the World you are..........apologies if you live in OZ lol
Using parish records would be ideal here,probably best to contact the Cheshire Record Office to see f they hold them there.
A lot of your time and money would be wasted if you go off chasing the wrong family.
Carol
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i live up in scotland where the haggis runs wild lol
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i have found out weather it ture or not but robert henry morris married sarah anne hughes but no date when she was born yet had son called frank morris in 1908 wife margaret mcwilliam born 1909 died in 1974 age 65 weather she had more kids pass
plus robert morris who was born in 1803 new york married to a mary e brown not found that out yet she was born 1840 new york
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i have found out weather it ture or not but robert henry morris married sarah anne hughes
Carol found this in reply #21 on 15th MArch!
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going to find if robert morris who was born about 1840 in the new york cenus fingers cross
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I am a grand son of frank morris who married margaret mcwilliam my name is robert h morris i have some family history going back to robert h morris who married sarah taylor in liverpool 1882 we know his father was robert morris who was a lawyer in the usa we think this is robert hunter morris whoo married mary e brown if this helps
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hi there i am son of william scarisbrick my grand dad william robert who married caroline morris and her dad called robert howland morris and her mother sarah taylor and his dad was robert morris who his was mary emma brown y she use he madien name pass i am also on facebook ron scarisbrick and skype to if wish to have look on that my email is (*) thank u tell me look forward to hear what else u have about morris like if robert howlandhad any more brothers or sisters even uncles and aunts thank u all the best to u and your family
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so your great dad is called robert henry morris 1883 married sarah anne hughes did they have any other kids or just frank morris who u say marreid margaret mc william who was his kids names
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hi yes robert henry morris had 8 children
charlotte emma born 1907
frank born 1908 died 1962
norman
stanley
grace
lily
fredrick
robert
shown to live at 28 byron road seacombe
on the 1911 census their was also a elizabeth alice thomas age 23
the road was their till around 1970 then the area got redevelpoed
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so r this your uncles and aunts u put up
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yes they were my great uncles and aunts i never met robert morris he died in action in italy around 1944 stanley i met once he died in wallasey 1976 he lived in the states have not met any of his children norman had one daughter jackie grace i did not meet. fredrick was un married and died in 1977 lilly was also un married and died in the ninetys charlotte had children i met one daughter at fred s funeral but unsure were they are living
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i never met caroline my grand mother nor granddad i met uncle frank scarisbrick and aunt winne his wife met his dad twin elizabeth who use live in the u.s.a did not met sarah scarisbrick and her husband i am taxi driver with my own company in scotland it was my brother who got me into this find my past find things out who with who been brought up not know if got cousion at all so it nice to c how far bk u can get
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Hello. I am Grace Johns' daughter in law, married to her son David. I am attempting to trace the Morris line and have been successful back to Robert Howland Morris married to Sarah Taylor. I have tons of questions that you may be able to answer and would love to get in touch. I also have information about Grace Morris and her family after marriage.
If you could get in touch tat would be great!
Hoping to hear from you!
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HI. I am coming into this discussion late, but am related (by marriage to Robert Henry Morris) Maybe I can shed some light.
He married Sarah Annie Hughes and had a slew of children, one being my mother in law. I also do not know why Robert Henry is on the 1901 Census listed as married for 6 years. I know he married twice Sarah Annie Hughes is his second wife. The first one died. I think her name was Martha Chapman, but they got married in 1903 (no kids). Strange he was listed as married, but I have it from authority that they put anything on the Censuses in those days and they have to be taken with a grain of salt. He married Sarah Annie Hughes in 1906 (Aug 22).
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Hi all if you are still doing family research i have more information on the morris family sorry i have not been back intouch the photo attached is my grandad frank morris who married Margaret mcwilliam and also my dad frank mrris
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See photo of robert h morris and family
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Is your grandmother Olive? I have Robert Howland: son Frank died in 1917. Son Robert Henry married Sarah Annie and had Frank married to Olive Moore. That is where my tree ends. If so would like to add your branch. thanks. My husband is son of Grace Morris who was Robert Henry’s youngest daughter
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Hi frank morris my dad married olive moore , the frank morris that died in 1917 is robert henry morris brother there dad is robert howland morris he was born in new york in 1883 and died in wallasey 1933 i have attached some more photos
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The first photo is of sarah robert henry morris wife with her son robert henry who was killed in cassino in 1944 , tha second and third picture are graves in rake lane cemetery wallasey
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I have attached a photo of lilly fred and stanley morris graces brothers and sister , grace also had two other brothers frank morris my granddad , norman howland morris, and two sister Charlotte and Caroline all on the morris photo taken ln 1899
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Sorry can not attach photo if you go onto my heratige site they have photos plus more information , as we have traced the family back in the usa and have found links to the declaration of independence signed by lewis morris and estates in new york
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Hi did grace have any old photos of the morris family as children as i can remember a few of them as adults and some members of the family went to a dental practice in manor road in wallasey
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Yes, I have all of those pictures as well. I posted some on Ancestry and also on My Heritage when building our trees. I will try and find your tree and review notes. I have also made the connections to the Morrisania family but Robert Howland’s father appears to have been misteriously omitted from some publications and appears to have abandoned his family after the civil war. Mary Emma, his wife had three husbands and was listed as widowed each time she remarried. I can prove she was not widowed but only separated or maybe divorced, although I cannot find evidence of a divorce yet. If you would like to collaborate we need to find an easier way than this forum. I have trouble navigating this site and posting information such as pictures and documents
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Maybe via email i do have a little more info on robert howland but as you said difficult to post not sure how to pass my email address onto you
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Hi bubble bee are you related to the morris family
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Sorry, no I'm not related to the Morris family.