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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: Kylie B on Thursday 15 March 12 07:41 GMT (UK)
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Hi there
I am trying to trace the parentage/family of Christian Sinclair- who married John Laing in Montrose on 27 Sept 1789.
Christian and John had a large family:
William Born Logie Pert in 1791
John born Logie Pert in 1793
Jean or Jane born St Cuthberts Edinburgh in 1795
David born St Cuthberts Edinburgh in 1797
James born St Cuthberts Edinburgh 1800
Ann born St Cuthberts Edinburgh in 1802
Margaret born St Cuthberts Edinburgh 1805
Christian died in 1821 aged 54 years- she died in Edinburgh as is described as the wife of John Laing- shoemaker.
As they married in Montrose, and the earlier children were born in Logie Pert- I am assuming Christian was most likely from that area?? But I am not sure.
The family moved to Edinburgh around 1794.
Several of the children appear to have moved to London (William, Margaret, James definately, and Jean/Jane possibly)- I am not sure if their father John Laing remained in Edinburgh, returned to Montrose or also moved to London.
On the baptism records, Christian is listed as surname 'Sinclair' and also 'St Clair' or 'St Clare'.
Any ideas on tracing her before her marriage to JOhn Laing please?
Many thanks
Kylie
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Hi
Could this be your Christian Sinclair.
Name: Christian Sinclair
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 May 1767
Baptism/Christening Place: CALLANDER,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 25 May 1767
Father's Name: Donald Sinclair
Mother's Name: Murray Mcarthur
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Thanks very much-
That is the right year based on her age at death.
Would it be reasonable to think she could have been born in Callander- and ended up in Montrose marrying John Laing 22 years later?
Murray is an unusual first name for her mother- any ideas? COuld it be a family name?
Thanks again- any more thoughts would be very welcome!!
Kylie
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Hi Kylie
I'm trying to figure out if the John Laing born in Logie Pert is my gg grandfather. I have copies of his army discharge papers which have him born in Arbroath in 1793 however I've not found a record of that birth but "your" John Laing in the only one I can find born in the correct year and county. According to my research he married Marion Bruce and had at least one child named John Bruce Laing.
does this fit with any of your research?
Regards
John
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Hi John
Apart from knowing he was born in Logie Pert in 1793, I don't know anything else for sure about my John Laing. I have a couple of possible marriages- but none confirmed.
Do the army discharge papers you have give any other clues at all?
Have you checked out the possible marriage- again any clues in there such as fathers name/occupation??
Let me know what you know about your John Laing and I will go back through all my possibles and see what we can come up with- feel free to PM me if that's easier!
Kylie
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Hi Kylie
Thanks for quick response. Apparently I can't PM until I've done 3 posts so here's No 2!
The only additional info from the army discharge papers that seem to be relevant is that his profession is given as a bookbinder which sounds like something he might have done as a lad perhaps following his father as it seems unlikely to be a trade he learned in the army!
He was discharged in 1818 and returned to Edinburgh. As I said earlier he then married Marion Bruce (previously TOD) in Stirling in 7/7/1833.
There were 2 children that we know, John Bruce Laing b 1836 and William Laing b 1841
I have more on the later generations if you think them relevant
Regards
John
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Hi John
Is there any further information on the marriage to Marion Bruce such as a fathers name or occupation of father?? Or witnesses??
Are there any other Army records- such as actual joining papers- you could check that might give his address, or family details (normally a next of kin is needed I think- at least on more modern records) that might help us out??
Its not enough to confirm the connection- but if 'my' John and yours are one and the same, then at least one of his brothers was also a book binder....possibly family occupation? 2 brothers- James and William- moved to London, as well as at least one, possibly 2 sisters from my family. I am not sure about the siblings who remained in Scotland.
Also the other son being William- again its a common name, but also a family one for 'my' Laings.....so possibly!!
Let me know if you have anything more and hopefully we can work it out :-)
Kylie
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Hi Kylie
Yes a little more about the Laing Bruce marriage. Firstly I made a mistake in one of my earlier messages. The marriage was in St Cuthberts Edinburgh not Stirling (that was where the bride was from). Her father was Wiliam Bruce a (black)Smith. She was the widow of Alexander Tod a Weaver.
John Laing's address is Little King Street.
According to my family lore/history their son John Bruce Laing joined the army (details unknown) and fought in the Crimean war. His brother also fought and I have an India medal showing him in the 92nd Gordon Highlanders.
Both of them ended up in Australia (where he founded my direct line) although apparently John Bruce returned to Edinbugh where he died and is buried in Warrington cemetery.
Are we getting closer?
Regards
John
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Possible record for Christian
SINCLAIR, Christian
Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 7 May 1767
Christening Date: 24 May 1767
Recorded in: Oldhamstocks, East Lothian, Scotland
Father: George SINCLAIR
Mother: Catharine MARTIN
Source: FHL Film 1067853
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Siblings of Christian all born Oldhamstocks, East Lothian, Scotland
SINCLAIR, John Bir
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1760
Christening Date: 22 Apr 1760
Fa: George SINCLAIR
Mo: Catharine MARTIN
SINCLAIR, Alison
Birth Date: 13 Oct 1761
Christening Date: 22 Oct 1761
Fa: George SINCLAIR
Mo: Catharine MARTIN
SINCLAIR, William
Birth Date: 3 May 1763
Christening Date: 8 May 1763
Fa: George SINCLAIR
Mo: Catharine MARTIN
SINCLAIR, Alexander
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 Feb 1765
Christening Date: 24 Feb 1765
Fa: George SINCLAIR
Mo: Catharine MARTIN
SINCLAIR, Robert
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1769
Christening Date: 1 May 1769
Fa: George SINCLAIR
Mo: Catharine MARTIN
SINCLAIR, George
Birth Date: 29 Oct 1770
Christening Date: 2 Nov 1770
Fa: George SINCLAIR
Mo: Catharine MARTIN
SINCLAIR, James
Birth Date: 28 Oct 1770
Christening Date: 10 Nov 1770
Fa: George SINCLAIR
Mo: Katharine MARTIN
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Also another John 1793
for barrymore23
LAING, John
Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Feb 1793
Christening Date: 7 Mar 1793
Recorded in: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Collection: St Cuthbert
Father: Joseph LAING
Mother: Janet WALKER
Source: FHL Film 10667
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Hi John
What about info on father of the groom? for that marriage??
You need info about John Laing himself, rather than descendants, I think, if we are going to work out if he belongs to my Laing clan.
I have had another look, and my John Laing was the last one to be born in Logie Pert- all his other younger siblings were born in Edinburgh. Their mother- Christian- died in Edinburgh, so it would appear the family stayed put there once they moved, although as I mentioned a number of Johns siblings did then move to London...not sure exactly when or why.
Do you have anything more on your John Laing?
Kylie
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Thanks for the 2 options for Christian-
Name: Christian Sinclair
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 May 1767
Baptism/Christening Place: CALLANDER,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date: 25 May 1767
Father's Name: Donald Sinclair
Mother's Name: Murray Mcarthur
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Possible record for Christian
SINCLAIR, Christian
Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 7 May 1767
Christening Date: 24 May 1767
Recorded in: Oldhamstocks, East Lothian, Scotland
Father: George SINCLAIR
Mother: Catharine MARTIN
Source: FHL Film 1067853
My difficulty is both places are quite a way from Montrose, and I have no other reason to think the couple married there other than that was where Christian was living. And neither set of parents names were passed on in Christian's children.....
Are there any other options for the same year closer to Montrose?
Being not that long after the 1745 rebellion could mean her father being a soldier and the family moving around.....but hard to determine......
Not sure where else to look/ how else to confirm Christian's roots.....??
Any other suggestions please?!
THank you!!
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JOhn- I think this looks a good likely match for your John Laing!!
THanks Partoon!!
Also another John 1793
for barrymore23
LAING, John
Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 Feb 1793
Christening Date: 7 Mar 1793
Recorded in: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Collection: St Cuthbert
Father: Joseph LAING
Mother: Janet WALKER
Source: FHL Film 10667
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Hi Kylie
I think I'm done.. I don't have anything further to add re my John Laing so I'll spend some time digesting this info to see if i can make any more sense of it. I sort of feel I'm getting close and thank you also to Partoon-Researcher - that's certainly a possibility as the year is correct and St Cuthberts keeps turning up.
Thanks for all your kind assistance
Regards
John Laing (yes I'm another one!)
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Good luck John!
If I find anything that might link in for you- I will let you know. If you do find a definite link to my Laings- let me know and I am more than happy to share what I have so far :-)
Kylie