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GDAY:)
trying to find info on this family please
JOHN Swayne married Cecilia Clendinnen in Newtonbarry Wexford, date Unknown
Children
Anna Cecilia Swayne
Mary Charlotte Swayne
Elizabeth Luanda Swayne
Samuel frederick Alexander Sawyne
Also found this on 1901/1911 census
1901/1911 Censuses found Swaine/swayne from gorey Wexford, with a Cecelia Swayne aged 85 on 1901 Census with sons John, Richard, and joseph, Joseph Born 1861 .John born ..1850
Richard born..1856...Now im trying to find out what Cecilias Maiden name was, i think maybe Clendinnen, but need proof so thanks for anyhelp or suggestions here...Cheers!
or can someone find the births please of this John, richard and Joseph swayne and Parents Names
..thanks
regards
Cathy:)
Also is Newtonbarry near Gorey
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1901/1911 Censuses found Swaine/swayne from gorey Wexford, ....a Cecelia Swayne aged 85 on 1901 Census
... sons
.... Joseph Born 1861, John born 1850, Richard born 1856
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im trying to find out what Cecilias Maiden name was, i think maybe Clendinnen...
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The sons were all born before the start of civil records so you will need to check for Church records for possible baptisms and possibly the marriage record also if they were RC. Were there any younger children ?
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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census returns for reference :
1901 - Swaine household, Ballyeden townland (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Balloughter/Ballyeden/1792332/)
1911 - Swaine household, Ballyeden townland (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Balloughter/Ballyedan/682958/)
The Swaine/Swayne family are listed as Church of Ireland, so their parish would be Toome, sometimes listed as Toombe. Baptism, marriage & death/burial records for this parish go back to around 1770 and are available in the RCBL Library in Co. Dublin
p.s. there are apparently some gaps in the records around 1820..
Shane
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Gday shane:)
Thanks for all that....Im only surmising this Cecilia Swayne and her children John, Joseph, Richard Swayne connect to my lot of Cecilia Clendinnen and john swayne...but cecilia and john were from around Gorey/Newtonbarry area...Also found this on later records for swayne
ANNIE CECILIA SWAYNE marriage in 1938 in Gorey Wexford and these names seem to follow thru with family...Wonder who her parents were and who she married
Family search.org not picking up on that tho
No idea if any later children born to cecilia, but will keep looking
Thanks
Regards
cathy:)
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You would need the cert to find out more on Annie Cecilia - that's just the index entry.
There are much older Swaine marriages in the extracted records on FamilySearch that are worth checking out if you have not already done so..
see : Swaine marriages (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3ASWAYNE~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3AWexford~&collection_id=1584964)
see : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Anna Cecelia Swaine, marriage July-Sept 1938. Volume 2, page 703.
Only corresponding entry I can find is Maurice Graham Oliver marriage July-Sept 1938. Volume 2, page 703.
THree children registered in Gorey district with surname Oliver, mother Swaine.
* 1939, * 1942, * 1942
Birth of Cecelia Annie Swaine, registered Gorey district 1st quarter 1914
Newtownbarry is the old name for Bunclody.
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Gday culbaire:)
Thanks for that info...Hmmmm wonder who anna Cecilia Swaynes parents were
My lot werre from around Newtonbarry/bunclody and even tho it was spelt swayne, i dont take much notice of spellings ..Swaine/swayne etc
and as i have an anna cecilia swayne in my lot..born 1835 in newtonbarry but i havent been able to find her baptism...her parents are we think john swayne and cecilia clendinnen ..the name seems to follow thru the generations
ty for the info re her marriage to graham oliver too, and children
much appreciated
cheers
regards
cathy:)
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i have an anna cecilia swayne in my lot..born 1835 in newtonbarry but i havent been able to find her baptism...her parents are we think john swayne and cecilia clendinnen ..
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Unfortunately Church of Ireland parish records for Newtownbarry only seem to go back to 1837 - so possibly slightly too late for Anna Cecilia's baptisms.
Shane
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Thanks Shane!!
Trying to find what happened to one of these Swaynes
Samuel Alexander Frederick Swayne...born wexford 1839
Any Takers Please
Thanks
Regards
cathy:)
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there is a swaine/swane family still living at Ballycarney I used to know a fred swaine in the early 60"s. they live
at Ballingale on the Ballycarney to clohamon road. I would inquire at the ballycarney inn <pub>, they are nice people there and they might be able to help you. If they confirm the family is there , just send the sweine/swane family a nice note with your enquiry leaving them a contact number. What have you got to lose by doing so. There is a church of ireland parish church at ballycarney, they may have some information . Bunclody is about 4 miles from Ballycarney.
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Gday John:)
Thanks for your Reply..Nice to hear From u
Im in Australia but would Love to Go to Ireland one day as most my ancestors from there
are u in Co wexford?
regards
Cathy:)
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Found one Swaine in Brian J Cantwell's Memorials of the Dead;
Ballycarney graveyard;
Cecilia Elizabeth Beatrice Swaine; 1888-1962
45 years devoted service and organist in Ballycarney church.
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Jack
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GDAY jack:)
Wow thanks for that....Cecelia was a Name Used in Our Swaine/Clendinnen Family wonder??If she connects to our line
any suggestions how we can check that out please...Descendants etc
Thanks
regards
cathy:)
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Hi John:)
Thanks for that...wonder if Connect to my lot of swaynes
Regards
Catny:)
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G`day Cathy!
Small world...I`m also from OZ and was in Wexford researching my WILKINSON family and we have a connection to the SWAINE SWAYNE family and guess what....I met the family that John WHELAN mentions!!
They gave me their email, however they have never replied back :( Send me a message and I can pass on the details, maybe you will have better luck than me.
Cheers
ps If anyone has ANY Wexford WILKINSON connection please touch base with me :)
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GDAY tg:)
Thanks for your reply re SWAYNE!!!Great to Hear from you
So we have actually a connection with my Swayne lot???GREAT!!!Can u email me please re this
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Thanks
regards
cathy:)
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First post. My grandfather was Richard M Swaine from near Camolin. My great grandfather was Roger Swaine who married M Cecilia Steacy They lived at Medop Hall near Camolin. John
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Following thru with this SWAYNE/SWAINE lot
> ?
> On 1901/1911 Censuses found Swaine/swayne from gorey Wexford, with a
> Cecelia Swayne aged 85 on 1901 Census with sons John, Richard, and joseph,
> Joseph Born 1861 .John born ..1850
> Richard born..1856...Now im trying to find out what Cecilias Maiden name
> was, i think maybe Clendinnen
source: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WEXFORD/2012-03/1332435261
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James Doyle of Boolacreen, born abt. 1830, married Elizabeth Doyle of Ballymore (Carrigrew Hill), born abt 1830. They were married in Ferns in the Catholic church on 19 Oct. 1851. They left Ireland for Philadelphia in 1854.
The descendants of Elizabeth Doyle (nee Swayne) include Mrs. Elizabeth Byrne of Ballyoughter (born 1901)and Mrs. Margaret Brennan of Ballymore (born 1907), who lived on the old homestead in a mobile home. They were the daughters of Patrick Doyle and Mary Gahan from the same area.
http://www.irelandxo.com/ireland/wexford/ferns/message-board/doyle-family-ballymore-camolin-carrigrew-hill
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I presume there's a Generation missing or something!
Patrick was possibly James/Elizabeth's son ??
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The Cecilia Elizabeth Beatrice Swaine mentioned by Jack2227 was my great aunt. Her maiden name was Earle. She married Alexander Swaine on 3 April 1918 at Clone Church, Enniscorthy. She was a National Schoolteacher.
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Hi Lemon:)
This Swayne Lot in wexford I would love to Unravel And thanks for your reply too
I think this Cecelia was nee Clendinnen (A sister??Or daughter of my ggggrandfather John Clendinnen who was born According to Wesleyan archives in Downpatrick Co Down circa 1770 He was a Wesleyan Minister so consequently travelled all over with his religious postings)
Have the marriage certs of Mary Charlotte Swayne Who was born circa 1821 In wexford She married Thomas brend in 1846 in Devon Father listed as john Swayne Yeoman
Then we have a Anna Cecilia Swayne Listed a Cecilia Swayne On her marriage(have cert)To Charles henry wade in 1863 in Swansea She was listed as aged 30 (born circa 1833) Hubby was aged 65 and a widower Father listed as John Swayne(deceased) Merchant
Theres also another brother I think too Mary and anna Cecilia a Samuel Alexander Frederick Swayne born according to a clendinnen researcher 28 Jan 1839 Newtownbarry Wexford
On 1851 census u have Anna C Swayne Living with Grandparents John C Clendennen and wife Mary C in bideford Devon Anna listed as being 20
Mary charlotte Clendinnen with her granddaughters ran a boarding school for women in wexford too for awhile
Love to try and sort these swaynes out
thanks
cathy:)
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Hi again:)
Forgot to mention there is also a Elizabeth Luanda Swayne born circa 1820 She worked as a Governess/Teacher in England on several English censuses and was living with an Ellis Family in devon in bideford , who we think may connect to john clendinnens wife Mary Charlotte nee ellis
We think she also connects to family but no proof
cathy:)
Have been unable to find her death
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Hi Cathy, I don't have a huge amount of info on the Swain's as my ancestry is through the Earle's. There seem to be a few vague 'touching points' with some that you've mentioned but nothing more than the locations really.
I have John Swaine, born about 1826 (can't find a birth record record) but in 1854 he was in Ballycarney, Wexford (Griffiths Valuation). He married Sarah Jane Bates on 22 Sep 1868, Ferns, Wexford. He was 42 she was 23. They had at least 9 children. John 1869, William 1870, Edward Samuel 1872, Abraham 1873, Peter 1875, Henry R 1879, Mary Frances 1879, Jeremiah Thomas 1881 and Alexander 'Alec' 1884.
Alec. Birth registered Enniscorthy 1884.
1901 census, aged 16, he was living at 8 Main Street, Newtownbarry in what appears to be some kind of hostel/boarding house. He was working as a drapers assistant.
1911. Back home with mother Sarah Jane (widow) and several adult siblings at House 8, Scarawalsh, Wexford
3 April 1918 he married Cecilia Elizabeth Beatrice Earle at Clone Church, Enniscorthy.
3 children form this marriage, all registered Enniscorthy.
(*) 1921 (still alive and living in Gorey)
(*) 1924 (no further info)
(*) 1927 (no further info)
Alec died on 17 Sep 1949. He was living in Scarawalsh at the time of his death.
Hope you get your Swaine's sorted! Good luck :)
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Hi lemon:)
Thanks for your reply...Nice to hear from you
I have access to Irish Newspaper Archives Thru my Australian National Library Card will see if I can find anything re these Swains That may link to My swaynes
They were as far as im aware Wesleyan/Church of Ireland
Have had contact in past with someone who has a Roger Swaine from Ballyeden with wife Cecilia Annie
Does that ring a bell to you
cathy:)
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Hi Lemon:)
Do u Have Swaine from Gratton Rd Gorey?
Found a newspaper article re 4 Swaine brothers from there in 1933
Cathy:)
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Hi Cathy, the only Swaine I have from Gorey is Removed, who is actually still alive aged 96. There is quite a useful website that has lots of Irish parish and church records online. I've confirmed quite a few of my 'Earle's' BMD's from this site
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
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Wills
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jtv/
lots more here under either spelling
Swayne/Swaine
Just enter surname into search archives
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
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Hi lemon:)
Thanks for that...I love that site Its fantastic
Will keep looking in irish newspaper archives see what I can find Also with different spellings of surname too
Cheers
If I find anything re your lot will post
Cathy:)
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Thanks for the wills site too Dathal
cheers
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Thank you Dathai :)
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Hi I'm just starting out on my family history and came upon this site and thread I hope you don't mind me posting, concerning the Swaines in Gorey, James in my Grandfather on my mother's side, he married Elisabeth Devine at St Micheal's Oct 19, 1916, From the marriage record His father was Patrick and her Father James Devine (D) 78Y 16th Dec 1936, I'm still looking to find the names of the Brothers and so on
My mum had 10 siblings I'm not yet sure of much else ATM apart from my grandparents and my mum moved to London in 1947 they died around 1960-64
My mum past in April this year :-(
@Cathy_Aus If you are still posting could you direct me to the newspaper article
Hi Lemon:)
Do u Have Swaine from Gratton Rd Gorey?
Found a newspaper article re 4 Swaine brothers from there in 1933
Cathy:)
Thanks
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Welcome to RootsChat Helen,
The marriage cert says both Elizabeth and James were minors, that is under 21 years so is this Elizabeth in 1911 aged 14
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Gorey_Urban/Clonattin_Road/685156/
Mother Anne's surname is Mape.
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Welcome to RootsChat Helen,
The marriage cert says both Elizabeth and James were minors, that is under 21 years so is this Elizabeth in 1911 aged 14
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Gorey_Urban/Clonattin_Road/685156/
Mother Anne's surname is Mape.
Wow thanks for the link that does look like the right Devine family but while Anne (wife) death 1938 @ 70y corresponds just about, James (Head of Family) I have a death @78y in 1936 a couple of years out he would have been 76? going by 1911.
His death was registered by Elizabeth (then Swaine)
Anne's (Wife) was registered by James (son) so it looks right apart from that
It does give me the names of the siblings (if correct) which is great
Thank you
So Yes she and J Swaine were Minors, she is around 19
Also found this I find this strange
DEVINE JOSEPH 21 07/02/17 SON OF JAMES AND ANNIE DEVINE, OF GOREY; HUSBAND OF MARY HAYDEN (FORMERLY DEVINE), OF 1, WILLAM ST., GOREY, CO. WEXFORD.
There is also a marriage of him aged 20 to a Mary Cullin 25 April 1915 this seems more believable more so as his father is named and Joseph unable to write put an X as does Mary Cullin and also the 2 witnesses.
There could I guess be another Joseph in the family not on the 1911. they had 9 children all said to be living but only 7 showing living at that address.
Anne's maiden name (Mape) is also of help... I hope lol where did you get that from, please.
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Ages on dearth Certs are often incorrect, in fact ages on just about everything are often incorrect even dates on birth certs.
Birth, marriage and death Certs are free online with some date limits.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Here is the youngest boy in the census Daniel
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01667/1664310.pdf
And another child Michael born after the census
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01520/1617186.pdf
The registration district is Gorey from Matthew forward.
Note the children on the census are born in Counties Kildare, Dublin and Wexford.
The parents marriage is also there but in a different district, it was 1886 in Rathdrum, I'll leave you to have fun finding it and the other births yourself but we are here to help if you get stuck.
Hopefully it's the correct family.
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Where did you find the Devine Hayden record?
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This looks like the family in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Rathdrum/Garrymore_Upper/1816378/
The places of birth don't quite match, not unusual, there is a birth for Anne in 1899 registered in Naas which covers parts of Co.Wicklow and although the birth place looks like Shankhill I believe it's Shankill which is in Wicklow and Naas reg district.
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Devine/Hayden
https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/154936/devine,-joseph/
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So Mary Cullin could have remarried.
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The problem with Mary Cullin is she may be illigitimate
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09812/5562761.pdf
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The problem with Mary Cullin is she may be illigitimate
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09812/5562761.pdf
I noticed that but she was only briefly part of the family if it is the same Joseph, still I can't find a second marriage for her, of course she could have left the country.
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Thanks, everyone some good links and info
I'll come back to each later
I have James being from Co Roscommon, Anne being from Co Kildare so ill look into that as well.
Looks like there were lots of Swaines in and around Gorey
Interesting that I can not find any Swaine's or Devine buried locally
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Deaths for Swaine
SWAINE (née McDonnell), Mary Dublin 02/10/12
Swaine, James Dublin 23/11/06
SWAINE, Jimmy Kilmore West Dublin 27/03/10
Whelan (Swaine), Joanna Walkinstown Dublin 14/04/14
SWAINE, Kevin Crumlin Dublin 30/12/12
Swaine, Desmond (Des) Donabate Dublin 19/08/15
SWAINE, Brendan Dublin 21/07/11
SWAINE, Kevin Dublin 19/03/14
Swaine (née Tormey), Josephine Dublin 2 Dublin 12/09/15
Swaine (née Leech), Mary City Centre Dublin 13/08/17
Whelan (Swaine), Joanna Terenure Dublin 14/04/14
SWAINE (née Kavanagh), Kathleen (Kay) Dublin 11/12/11
SWAINE (née Murphy), Ellen Anne (Helen) Loughrea Galway 25/11/08
SWAINE, John (Oxo) Athy Kildare 17/11/11
SWAINE (née Doherty), Alice Castledermot Kildare 03/05/09
Swaine, Sarah (Janette) Kilcullen Kildare 07/01/16
SWAINE, TERESA Ballacolla Laois 01/04/16
SWAINE (née Tomas), Mary Ballycastle Mayo 23/11/08
SWAINE (née Fallon), Annie Mullingar Westmeath 18/12/09
Swaine (née Mahon), Margaret (Rita) Delvin Westmeath 11/06/16
Swaine, Annie Elizabeth Gorey Wexford 10/01/16
Swaine, Noel Enniscorthy Wexford 01/07/15
Swaine (née Binions), Kathleen Enniscorthy Wexford 28/12/17
Swaine, James Dunlavin Wicklow 26/05/15
Swaine (née Mahon), Margaret (Rita) Donard Wicklow 11/06/16
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Deaths SWAYNE
Swayne, Patrick (Pat) Baltinglass Wicklow 17/11/13
Swayne, John Baltinglass Wicklow 02/02/18
SWAYNE, Martin Baltinglass Wicklow 10/12/09
Swayne, Thomas Stradbally Laois 09/12/17
Swayne, Patrick (Pat) Celbridge Kildare 17/11/13
SWAYNE, Mary Catherine (Kitty) Beaumont Dublin 25/09/09
Swayne, Thomas Clondalkin Dublin 09/12/17
Swayne (née Kenneally), Margaret (Peg) Youghal Cork 12/02/18
SWAYNE, Maurice Youghal Cork 06/10/07
SWAYNE, Marian Youghal Cork 23/09/13
Swayne (née Kenneally), Margaret (Peg) Garryvoe Cork 12/02/18
SWAYNE, Patrick (Paddy) Youghal Cork 29/12/08
Swayne, George Cork 06/11/06
SWAYNE, Kitty Esther Youghal Cork 07/03/13
Swayne, John Rathvilly Carlow 02/02/18
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Dates are Publication Dates of Obits!!
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Deaths SWAYNE
Swayne, Patrick (Pat) Baltinglass Wicklow 17/11/13
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=209684/Patrick%20(Pat)SWAYNE/Baltinglass/Wicklow
Swayne, John Baltinglass Wicklow 02/02/18
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=345128/JohnSWAYNE/Baltinglass/Wicklow
SWAYNE, Martin Baltinglass Wicklow 10/12/09
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=91426/MartinSWAYNE/Baltinglass/Wicklow
Swayne, Thomas Stradbally Laois 09/12/17
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=338747/ThomasSWAYNE/Stradbally/Laois
Swayne, Patrick (Pat) Celbridge Kildare 17/11/13
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=209684/Patrick%20(Pat)SWAYNE/Celbridge/Kildare
SWAYNE, Mary Catherine (Kitty) Beaumont Dublin 25/09/09
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=85141/Mary%20Catherine%20(Kitty)SWAYNE/Beaumont/Dublin
Swayne, Thomas Clondalkin Dublin 09/12/17
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=338747/ThomasSWAYNE/Clondalkin/Dublin
Swayne (née Kenneally), Margaret (Peg) Youghal Cork 12/02/18
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=346188/Margaret%20(Peg)SWAYNE/Youghal/Cork
SWAYNE, Maurice Youghal Cork 06/10/07
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=28498/MauriceSWAYNE/Youghal/Cork
SWAYNE, Marian Youghal Cork 23/09/13
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=205431/MarianSWAYNE/Youghal/Cork
Swayne (née Kenneally), Margaret (Peg) Garryvoe Cork 12/02/18
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=346188/Margaret%20(Peg)SWAYNE/Youghal/Cork
SWAYNE, Patrick (Paddy) Youghal Cork 29/12/08
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=62807/Patrick%20(Paddy)SWAYNE/Youghal/Cork
Swayne, George Cork 06/11/06
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=7313/GeorgeSWAYNE/Cork
SWAYNE, Kitty Esther Youghal Cork 07/03/13
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=189236/Kitty%20EstherSWAYNE/Youghal/Cork
Swayne, John Rathvilly Carlow 02/02/18
https://www.rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=345128/JohnSWAYNE/Rathvilly/Carlow
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Thanks, everyone some good links and info
I'll come back to each later
I have James being from Co Roscommon, Anne being from Co Kildare so ill look into that as well.
Looks like there were lots of Swaines in and around Gorey
Interesting that I can not find any Swaine's or Devine buried locally
Don't jump around too much or you could tie your self up in knots.
Concentrate for now on finding all the children's births, that will track the movement of the family, than try to work back on one line as far as possible before going to the other line.
When you have that you can go over all again looking for marriages of siblings, deaths etc. you can than look again at the early records and possibly get even further back with all that search experience under you belt.
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Grave of Joseph Devine
Kemmel Chateau Military Cemetery
(https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2010/302/12582040_128848422789.jpg)
I know my Grandmother Elisabeth was close to Joseph and deeply hurt by his loss ( my mum often said about it ) as I expect were the rest of the family.
My granduncle, or commonly great uncle
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Thanks, everyone some good links and info
I'll come back to each later
I have James being from Co Roscommon, Anne being from Co Kildare so ill look into that as well.
Looks like there were lots of Swaines in and around Gorey
Interesting that I can not find any Swaine's or Devine buried locally
Don't jump around too much or you could tie your self up in knots.
Concentrate for now on finding all the children's births, that will track the movement of the family, than try to work back on one line as far as possible before going to the other line.
When you have that you can go over all again looking for marriages of siblings, deaths etc. you can than look again at the early records and possibly get even further back with all that search experience under you belt.
Yes I'm finding that out, going which way and that ::)
Mostly Just Devine, need to find more Swaine
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After advising you not to spread yourself too thin I'm off looking for Swaines.
I was looking at this family to see if it could be the correct James
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Irish_Street/1790796/
so decided to look for marriages for the children to see if I could spot a connection.
A Thomas Swaine, father Patrick married 1919 to Alice Cullen, her witness was Mrs Mary Hayden.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09666/5505106.pdf
Could it be the same Mary!!
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MMmmmm...what ya think?
Mary Cullin had no father on her marriage to Joseph Devine
There is a marriage of Mary Devine widow to Thomas Hayden in 1918 her father is James Sullivan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09729/5530182.pdf
Alice Cullen's father is James no surname.
There is a Mary 1896 and a Alice Cullen 1900 born to Elizabeth Cullen unmarried.
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After advising you not to spread yourself too thin I'm off looking for Swaines.
I was looking at this family to see if it could be the correct James
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Irish_Street/1790796/
so decided to look for marriages for the children to see if I could spot a connection.
A Thomas Swaine, father Patrick married 1919 to Alice Cullen, her witness was Mrs Mary Hayden.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09666/5505106.pdf
Could it be the same Mary!!
HAHA is addictive LOL
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
Wonder if only the older children moved to Gorey.
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
Wonder if only the older children moved to Gorey.
Pretty sure that's not the family I'm looking for as James my grandfather is not listed and he would have been around 14/15 in 1911
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
Wonder if only the older children moved to Gorey.
Pretty sure that's not the family I'm looking for as James my grandfather is not listed and he would have been around 14/15 in 1911
That's what I mean about the older children moving out, they do have a James he's there in 1901 so I thought maybe this could be James in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Rossminoge/Boley__Lower/683561/
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
Wonder if only the older children moved to Gorey.
Pretty sure that's not the family I'm looking for as James my grandfather is not listed and he would have been around 14/15 in 1911
That's what I mean about the older children moving out, they do have a James he's there in 1901 so I thought maybe this could be James in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Rossminoge/Boley__Lower/683561/
Yes always possible :)
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
Wonder if only the older children moved to Gorey.
Is that wife Sarah this one
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09983/5630430.pdf
Married in Dublin 1910, the thing is that does not tally with my G father James being around 13-15y at that time... it's never simple lol
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No I think she was Sarah Foley
James 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02169/1821785.pdf
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Married 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10687/5895052.pdf
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Married 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10687/5895052.pdf
No I think she was Sarah Foley
James 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02169/1821785.pdf
Yes that looks possible
Thanks
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
Wonder if only the older children moved to Gorey.
On that marriage to Mary Gilbert, Patrick's father is Stephen Swaine
Both marriages in Newtownberry
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
Wonder if only the older children moved to Gorey.
On that marriage to Mary Gilbert, Patrick's father is Stephen Swaine
Yes also on the marriage to Sarah Foley it's Stephen, and one of the sons is Stephen.
Were you expecting for a different name? Could Stephen rule this family out?
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
Wonder if only the older children moved to Gorey.
On that marriage to Mary Gilbert, Patrick's father is Stephen Swaine
Yes also on the marriage to Sarah Foley it's Stephen, and one of the sons is Stephen.
Were you expecting for a different name? Could Stephen rule this family out?
No not at all could have been named after the Grandfather :)
However, there is no James my GFather on that 1911 but as said before may have been living elsewhere
Stuff all over the place to try and work out :o
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However, there is no James my GFather on that 1911 but as said before may have been living elsewhere
Stuff all over the place to try and work out :o
And no Stephen either, no idea where he went.
And no proof it's the correct Swaine family.
The church entry of James and Elizabeth's marriage might give mothers names.
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Hi Cathy, I don't have a huge amount of info on the Swain's as my ancestry is through the Earle's.
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Source: Will
Written: February 11, 1959
Will of Sophia Grace Leggett ( Earle )
of Ballygahan, Avoca, County Wicklow.
( Wife of Robert Nassue Leggett of 86 Main Street, Gorey )
This is the last will and Testament of SOPHIA GRACE LEGGETT of Ballygahan,
Avoca, County Wicklow, Widow, and I hereby revoke all former Wills made by
me.
I appoint my sister Sarah Greene of Ballygahan, aforesaid, and my nephew
Arthur Greene to be Executors and Trustee of this my Will. I direct that my
holding in War Loan shall be realised and divided equally between those of
my nieces and my nephew namely
:-- Olive Gertrude and Gladys, daughter of my sister Annie Swaine,
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wexford/wills/leggette37gwl.txt
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Thomas Swaine born Newtownbarry joined Royal Irish Regiment 5924 1st June 1917 to June 1919 he then re attested at Rugeley Camp June 1919 to 31st March 1922 appears to have been a prisoner of war 1918 address given on discharge 8 William St,Gorey
one known son Patrick born ? 20th April 1920 mother Alice Cullen
Family Search shows a death 1979 in Bedfordshire,England for a man with similar date of birth 20 March 1920.
Rugeley Camp
https://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/local-news/first-world-war-training-camp-3907369
Thomas
https://www.nam.ac.uk/soldiers-records/persons?ss=%7B%22q%22:%22heyden%22%7D
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Why the Cullin's said their father was James Sullivan
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Rossminoge/Ballyregan/683550/
married 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10274/5739269.pdf
looks like the 2 birth's Sinann gave you are bang on.
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They appear to be in the workhouse hospital 1901
Elizabeth 30 Mary Ann 4
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Gorey_Rural/Ramstown_Lower/1794294/
Alice age 0 with bronchitis
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001281746/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Gorey_Rural/Ramstown_Lower/1794295/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001281741/
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Thomas Swaine born Newtownbarry joined Royal Irish Regiment 5924 1st June 1917 to June 1919 he then re attested at Rugeley Camp June 1919 to 31st March 1922 appears to have been a prisoner of war 1918 address given on discharge 8 William St,Gorey
one known son Patrick born ? 20th April 1920 mother Alice Cullen
Family Search shows a death 1979 in Bedfordshire,England for a man with similar date of birth 20 March 1920.
Rugeley Camp
https://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/local-news/first-world-war-training-camp-3907369
Thomas
https://www.nam.ac.uk/soldiers-records/persons?ss=%7B%22q%22:%22heyden%22%7D
The Nam, Thomas-Says NoK Ellen Swaine 37 Willam Street
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Hi Helen
you obviously looked at the wrong record
see Thomas Swaine 1919 Rugeley
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Hi Helen
you obviously looked at the wrong record
see Thomas Swayne 1919 Rugeley
Hi Dathai
I'm just getting a news story on that link ???
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The second link put Swaine in the search box than look at Thomas Swaine
opps wrong place Rugeley
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The second link put Swaine in the search box than look at Thomas Swaine
opps wrong place Rugeley
Yes was getting confused!
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Stephen Swaine 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Moyacomb/Ballyshonock/681373/
actual census return says church of Rome
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003570589/
there is a death 1953 Burnley,Lancashire for a man of that name unfortunately Family Search does not show how old he is.
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Thomas Swaine born Newtownbarry joined Royal Irish Regiment 5924 1st June 1917 to June 1919 he then re attested at Rugeley Camp June 1919 to 31st March 1922 appears to have been a prisoner of war 1918 address given on discharge 8 William St,Gorey
one known son Patrick born ? 20th April 1920 mother Alice Cullen
Family Search shows a death 1979 in Bedfordshire,England for a man with similar date of birth 20 March 1920.
Rugeley Camp
https://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/local-news/first-world-war-training-camp-3907369
Thomas
https://www.nam.ac.uk/soldiers-records/persons?ss=%7B%22q%22:%22heyden%22%7D
The Nam, Thomas-Says NoK Ellen Swaine 37 Willam Street
Ellen died 1919 husband Thomas same a son then?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05135/4414658.pdf
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Helen are you happy this is the correct Swaine family?
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Helen are you happy this is the correct Swaine family?
To be honest I'm not sure too many Swaine's and early days for me
I need a big wall LOL
One of my sisters did some research before but she is no holiday ATM hopefully I can find out what she has when she is back.
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Okay, if it's not yours I'm sure it will all be useful to someone some day.
Fingers crossed it is yours.
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Okay, if it's not yours I'm sure it will all be useful to someone some day.
Fingers crossed it is yours.
What I have so far is my GrandP marriage, Swaine/Devine. and Devine's going back to 1911
Patrick Swaine as GGP and then it's all over the place with so many Swaine's
Yes I hope it helps others too
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The parents marriage is also there but in a different district, it was 1886 in Rathdrum, I'll leave you to have fun finding it and the other births yourself but we are here to help if you get stuck.
Hopefully it's the correct family.
I've tried to find this but ill no luck, do you have a link please
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The parents marriage is also there but in a different district, it was 1886 in Rathdrum, I'll leave you to have fun finding it and the other births yourself but we are here to help if you get stuck.
Hopefully it's the correct family.
I've tried to find this but ill no luck, do you have a link please
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10851/5962180.pdf
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The parents marriage is also there but in a different district, it was 1886 in Rathdrum, I'll leave you to have fun finding it and the other births yourself but we are here to help if you get stuck.
Hopefully it's the correct family.
I've tried to find this but ill no luck, do you have a link please
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1886/10851/5962180.pdf
Thank you for whatever reason it would not find it for me, it's happened a few times.
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The filters can get 'blocked' on that site, it's a good idea to click on Start a new search every now and than if you are using it a lot.
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Welcome to RootsChat Helen,
The marriage cert says both Elizabeth and James were minors, that is under 21 years so is this Elizabeth in 1911 aged 14
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Gorey_Urban/Clonattin_Road/685156/
Mother Anne's surname is Mape.
Wow thanks for the link that does look like the right Devine family but while Anne (wife) death 1938 @ 70y corresponds just about, James (Head of Family) I have a death @78y in 1936 a couple of years out he would have been 76? going by 1911.
His death was registered by Elizabeth (then Swaine)
Anne's (Wife) was registered by James (son) so it looks right apart from that
It does give me the names of the siblings (if correct) which is great
Thank you
So Yes she and J Swaine were Minors, she is around 19
Also found this I find this strange
DEVINE JOSEPH 21 07/02/17 SON OF JAMES AND ANNIE DEVINE, OF GOREY; HUSBAND OF MARY HAYDEN (FORMERLY DEVINE), OF 1, WILLAM ST., GOREY, CO. WEXFORD.
There is also a marriage of him aged 20 to a Mary Cullin 25 April 1915 this seems more believable more so as his father is named and Joseph unable to write put an X as does Mary Cullin and also the 2 witnesses.
There could I guess be another Joseph in the family not on the 1911. they had 9 children all said to be living but only 7 showing living at that address.
Anne's maiden name (Mape) is also of help... I hope lol where did you get that from, please.
I found Mary Devine marriage to Thomas Hayden 1918 her father James Sullivan Or has someone posted this before ??? so if they did
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09729/5530182.pdf
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Reply #50 top of page 6
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Reply #50 top of page 6
yes sorry about that, me bad
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Lot of links in this thread, easy to get confused, it might be worth making a list of them for each family than you can see what you have and what you still need to find. That will save you repeating searches.
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A few buried here....
http://www.stmichaelsgorey.ie/listofgraves.html
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A few buried here....
http://www.stmichaelsgorey.ie/listofgraves.html
Both Surnames!!
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The parish of Taghmon is one of the most historic in the diocese of Ferns.
John Keating was Rector and Prebendary from 1365 to 1389. His successor, Thomas Snell ' (1390-1395). was made Bishop of Waterford and Lismore,
....who was succeeded by John Swayne (1401-1417), made Archbishop of Armagh, in 1418.
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A few buried here....
http://www.stmichaelsgorey.ie/listofgraves.html
Both Surnames!!
He is one of mine
Swaine Joseph 41 Eire Street St Mark 12 16 19/11/1941
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Patrick Swaine and Mary Gilbert had 3 Children
Dora 4 in 1911
Robert 1 ""
Nellie/Ellen 3 ""
Patrick spent lot of time and money in the Petty Sessions Court mostly drunk or result
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
Wonder if only the older children moved to Gorey.
Pretty sure that's not the family I'm looking for as James my grandfather is not listed and he would have been around 14/15 in 1911
That's what I mean about the older children moving out, they do have a James he's there in 1901 so I thought maybe this could be James in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Rossminoge/Boley__Lower/683561/
Just to confirm that is the right family, for me anyway
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
It looks like Sarah's records were lost in 1922 there is some info on a Will
Swaine, Sarah, Templeshannon, Enniscorthy, County Wexford. Widow. Probate Office copy probated will ,1893. Principal Registry
ReferenceT/2862
Date1893
Creator Public Record Office of Ireland
I don't know how to see that or what it would reveal.
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Have you not looked at Wills yet??
Samuel Swaine 13 Feb 1885 Wexford
Sarah Swaine 13 May 1892 Wexford
John Swaine 4 May 1892 Wexford
Margaret Swaine 3 Jan 1899 Wexford
Richard Joseph Trevor Swaine 6 Apr 1909 Wexford
Ellen Swaine 24 Jul 1920 Wexford
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Daniel T Swayne 10 Jan 1916 Wexford
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Have you not looked at Wills yet??
Samuel Swaine 13 Feb 1885 Wexford
Sarah Swaine 13 May 1892 Wexford
John Swaine 4 May 1892 Wexford
Margaret Swaine 3 Jan 1899 Wexford
Richard Joseph Trevor Swaine 6 Apr 1909 Wexford
Ellen Swaine 24 Jul 1920 Wexford
Hi
I don't know how to find or view them
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Found them but not the right people for me
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Do you have a link please
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Wow.... Sarah had 7 houses in Bath Avenue Dublin!!
Also name of son in law on Will
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
It looks like Sarah's records were lost in 1922 there is some info on a Will
Swaine, Sarah, Templeshannon, Enniscorthy, County Wexford. Widow. Probate Office copy probated will ,1893. Principal Registry
ReferenceT/2862
Date1893
Creator Public Record Office of Ireland
I don't know how to see that or what it would reveal.
What makes you think they were lost??
Bet you've been reading all the doom and gloom about the wee fire in Dublin that burnt some stuff!
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Sarah died between 1901 and 1911.
And she wasn't a widow at the time and she didn't live in Templeshannon.
Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
It looks like Sarah's records were lost in 1922 there is some info on a Will
Swaine, Sarah, Templeshannon, Enniscorthy, County Wexford. Widow. Probate Office copy probated will ,1893. Principal Registry
ReferenceT/2862
Date1893
Creator Public Record Office of Ireland
I don't know how to see that or what it would reveal.
Alive and well in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Irish_Street/1790796/
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Sarah died between 1901 and 1911.
And she wasn't a widow at the time and she didn't live in Templeshannon.
Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
It looks like Sarah's records were lost in 1922 there is some info on a Will
Swaine, Sarah, Templeshannon, Enniscorthy, County Wexford. Widow. Probate Office copy probated will ,1893. Principal Registry
ReferenceT/2862
Date1893
Creator Public Record Office of Ireland
I don't know how to see that or what it would reveal.
It was
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Quote from: Sinann on June 10, 2018, 08:08:34 PM
Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
It looks like Sarah's records were lost in 1922 there is some info on a Will
Swaine, Sarah, Templeshannon, Enniscorthy, County Wexford. Widow. Probate Office copy probated will ,1893. Principal Registry
ReferenceT/2862
Date1893
Creator Public Record Office of Ireland "
I was referring to!
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Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
It looks like Sarah's records were lost in 1922 there is some info on a Will
Swaine, Sarah, Templeshannon, Enniscorthy, County Wexford. Widow. Probate Office copy probated will ,1893. Principal Registry
ReferenceT/2862
Date1893
Creator Public Record Office of Ireland
I don't know how to see that or what it would reveal.
What makes you think they were lost??
Bet you've been reading all the doom and gloom about the wee fire in Dublin that burnt some stuff!
Well in Sarah's case, there does not seem to be any record of her death apart from Patrick remarrying in Abt 1905/6 and listed as Widower
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Do you have a link please
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/index.jsp
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and....
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
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Sarah died between 1901 and 1911.
And she wasn't a widow at the time and she didn't live in Templeshannon.
Still not sure if this is the correct Swaine family, they haven't moved to Gorey by 1911.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Newtownbarry_Town/681671/
Patrick has a new wife and 3 children with her.
Don't see a death for his first wife Sarah but there is a marriage for widower Patrick to Mary Gilbert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10129/5685487.pdf
It looks like Sarah's records were lost in 1922 there is some info on a Will
Swaine, Sarah, Templeshannon, Enniscorthy, County Wexford. Widow. Probate Office copy probated will ,1893. Principal Registry
ReferenceT/2862
Date1893
Creator Public Record Office of Ireland
I don't know how to see that or what it would reveal.
Alive and well in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Newtownbarry/Irish_Street/1790796/
Yes so must have died between 1901-1905
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Thanks Hallmark
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Well in Sarah's case, there does not seem to be any record of her death apart from Patrick remarrying in Abt 1905/6 and listed as Widower
Exactly, and not at all unusual not to have a death cert at the time.
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Well in Sarah's case, there does not seem to be any record of her death apart from Patrick remarrying in Abt 1905/6 and listed as Widower
Exactly, and not at all unusual not to have a death cert at the time.
I guess but as my Great Grandmother would be nice to know when and why ???
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Well in Sarah's case, there does not seem to be any record of her death apart from Patrick remarrying in Abt 1905/6 and listed as Widower
Exactly, and not at all unusual not to have a death cert at the time.
I guess but as my Great Grandmother would be nice to know when and why ???
Sadly many of us know that feeling only too well.
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The sadist think I've learned today, is that my Mum's Sister who we had lost contact with in the mid-1980's lived just a mile away from my mum, she died in 2011 aged 80
I lived just 2 streets away from my Aunty 2002-2008 and one of my girls still lives there
One of my sisters works at a local doctors a few streets away, she could even have been a patient there.
I've blown away and so sad
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Hi:)
Back onto These Swaines/Swaynes again in Wexford I think my Lot were Protestant/church Of Ireland The Lot im interested In To Try and Fill in this Swayne/Clendinnen/Ellis Jigsaw is a Crawford Frances Middleton (Father Rev T Middleton) Married Rev John Swayne on June 1812 In Ireland Im Surmising That Rev John Swaynes Wife Died Young then he Married a Annie(Cecilia) Clendinnen And Had children Elizabeth Luanda Swayne(She did not marry) And Annie Cecilia Swayne who married Charles Henry Wade in 1863 In Swansea.. Elizabeth Was on 1871 Census in Bideford Devon With Edmund Ellis And family Working as a Governess/teacher...This Family is a Nightmare to Research But they connect to My Direct Clendinnen/Ellis Line thru Rev John Charles Clendinnen Born 1770 Downpatrick Co Down Who Died in Bideford Devon in 1855.
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Theres Apparently a Samuel Alexander Swaine(swayne) Born According to a Clendinnen researcher On 28 Jan 1839 In Newtownbarry Wexford Samuel and Alexander Both Names often used with the Clendinnen Family but i cannot Locate him Presumably the Son of Swayne/Clendinnen Marriage..
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Hi:)
Back onto These Swaines/Swaynes again in Wexford I think my Lot were Protestant/church Of Ireland The Lot im interested In To Try and Fill in this Swayne/Clendinnen/Ellis Jigsaw is a Crawford Frances Middleton (Father Rev T Middleton) Married Rev John Swayne on June 1812 In Ireland Im Surmising That Rev John Swaynes Wife Died Young then he Married a Annie(Cecilia) Clendinnen And Had children Elizabeth Luanda Swayne(She did not marry) And Annie Cecilia Swayne who married Charles Henry Wade in 1863 In Swansea.. Elizabeth Was on 1871 Census in Bideford Devon With Edmund Ellis And family Working as a Governess/teacher...This Family is a Nightmare to Research But they connect to My Direct Clendinnen/Ellis Line thru Rev John Charles Clendinnen Born 1770 Downpatrick Co Down Who Died in Bideford Devon in 1855.
Hi Cathy, we have spoken before. Sorry for the delay in responding, I don't visit this board often.
The Rev. John Swayne who married Frances Crawford is NOT the same John Swayne you are talking about here.
Rev. John Swayne and Frances Crawford had a number of children, the last one born in 1821. Rev. John Swayne died in Tipperary in 1866 and Frances Crawford died in 1863 in Tipperary. I have records for all of this.
As for your branch, John Clendinnen was the second husband of Mary Charlotte Crane. Her first husband was Middleton Robson who died during the 1798 uprising (he died on Wexford Bridge). Middleton Robson and Mary Charlotte Crane had a daughter named Mary Cecilia Robson. She married John Swayne in Newtonbarry in 1818. It was their daughter, Anna Cecilia Swayne, who married Charles Henry Baseley/Wade.
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Hi DRL
Thanks for your Reply Nice to Hear From u Again Cecilia Swayne who Married Charles Henry Wade in 1863 In England on her Marriage Cert it Stated Her Father John Swayne a Merchant Was Deceased Her Half Sister Mary Charlotte Brend (nee Swayne) was a Witness at the Marriage Of Mary Charlotte Swaynes Marriage in 1846 to Thomas Brend Witnesses Were John Clendinnen(rev)Cant quite make out the Other Witness Mary Charlotte Swaynes Father was Listed as John Swayne Yeoman A clendinnen researcher Thinks these 2 John Swaynes May have been Cousins But ive found Nothing more on them Even using Different Spellings I gather Both may Have been from Wexford Also Ive found Nothing more on Samuel Alexander Frederick Swayne Born 28 Jan 1839 In Wexford Son of John Swayne and Annie Cecilia Clendinnen Brother of Cecilia Swayne This lot is Definitely Confusing me Any Thoughts?? Thanks.
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Hi DRL
Thanks for your Reply Nice to Hear From u Again Cecilia Swayne who Married Charles Henry Wade in 1863 In England on her Marriage Cert it Stated Her Father John Swayne a Merchant Was Deceased Her Half Sister Mary Charlotte Brend (nee Swayne) was a Witness at the Marriage Of Mary Charlotte Swaynes Marriage in 1846 to Thomas Brend Witnesses Were John Clendinnen(rev)Cant quite make out the Other Witness Mary Charlotte Swaynes Father was Listed as John Swayne Yeoman A clendinnen researcher Thinks these 2 John Swaynes May have been Cousins But ive found Nothing more on them Even using Different Spellings I gather Both may Have been from Wexford Also Ive found Nothing more on Samuel Alexander Frederick Swayne Born 28 Jan 1839 In Wexford Son of John Swayne and Annie Cecilia Clendinnen Brother of Cecilia Swayne This lot is Definitely Confusing me Any Thoughts?? Thanks.
Rev John Swayne and the John Swayne from Wexford might have been related but it's impossible to tell since records don't go back that far.
Rev John Swayne was born about 1786, the son of John Swayne, Esq and Charlotte Connor of Midleton, County Cork. John and Charlotte had at least 11 children, most of which I have been able to trace, and have death records for many of them. None of them, that I can tell anyway, ended up in Wexford. Rev. John Swayne, as near as I can tell, never lived in Wexford. It appears he lived most of his life in Kilworth, Cork and moved to Tipperary about 1834.
I have a Memorial of a Deed that places John Swayne and his wife, Mary Cecilia in Carley's Bridge (just outside of Enniscorthy) in 1832. John and Mary Cecilia were quite active in the Methodist church until 1831, when they disappear out of the Methodist Class books. I don't have a death record for Mary Cecilia but John Swayne died in 1847. Their two eldest daughters, Elizabeth and Mary Charlotte, were living in England by 1841. Mary Charlotte's wedding announcement notes that she is the niece of John Clendinnen. They also had a son named William Middleton who emigrated to the US after he married Sarah Owens.
The first record of Anna Cecilia Swayne being in England is in 1851, when she is living with her grandparents - John and Mary Cecilia Clendinnen.
So, why is Mary Charlotte called John Clendinnen's niece when he was technically her step-grandfather? I don't know. Could be a lot of reasons she called herself that when the relationship was technically something else.
There was actually a lot of Swaynes (and various spellings) living in Wexford, many in Gorey, some near Newtonberry (Bunclody) some in Ballycarney and some in Monart. I suspect that John Swayne is connected to either the Newtonberry or Monart branch. I don't know if they are connected to another Wexford branch or not. Unfortunately, finding records for them are difficult since most are not online. There is no way with available records to connect the Swaynes that lived in Cork to the Swaynes that lived in Wexford.
I have to say that I haven't done a whole lot of research on the Clendinnen's so I can't really comment on the research of someone who has. They possibly have sources I'm not aware of. What I have done is a great deal of research on the Swaynes in Ireland, and I'm not even close to being done yet. I've spent a lot of time going over whatever online records I have been able to find, which include newspapers and some other really obscure records that you have to dig through. Unfortunately, many of those records are NOT available in Wexford. There were a number of John Swaynes in Ireland during that time period and it seems like everyone who does research on Swaynes tries to connect them to the Rev. John Swayne.
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Hi HDL
Thanks for your Reply Nice to Hear from you again And Thanks for all that info too. I have a Memorial of a Deed that places John Swayne and his wife, Mary Cecilia in Carley's Bridge (just outside of Enniscorthy) in 1832(Is there anyway i can get a Copy of that please? Having 2 John Swaynes Married to The Daughters of Rev John Clendinnen throwing me for a Sixer Were they Cousins? as One was Listed as a Yeoman and One Listed as a Merchant on the Girls Marriage Certs (which i have copies of)u also mentioned they had a Son Wiliam Middleton Swayne?? Who was the Mother?
Have used different Spellings with these Swaynes too Have u Found anything at all re Samuel Alexander Swayne? I would love to Find the Marriage of Cecilia(Annie) Clendinnen and John Swayne But no luck yet
Will keep Looking
Regards
Cathy:)
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In your searches don't forget the alternative spellings of Clendinnen
Clendon
Glendinning
Glendinnen
Clendinning
etc.
I have come across the name in Co Antrim and Co Derry where they were mainly Presbyterians, CoI, Methodists etc
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Hi Shanreagh
Most definitely My lot who Came to Australia Tended to Use Clendinnen In Vic and SA etc Tho my gggrandfather was Listed as Samuel Alfred Clindinning(Clendinnen) On passenger list here Can u be different ways to Spell any surname
Yes My lot originated from Scotland as Glendinning Then Went to Co Down Then u see The Different Spellings Clindinning/Clendinning/Clendinnen etc A nightmare For researchers.And Yes mainly Presbyterian My ggggrandfather was John C Clendinnen a Wesleyan Minister born Circa 1770 in Downpatrick Co Down.
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Hi HDL
Thanks for your Reply Nice to Hear from you again And Thanks for all that info too. I have a Memorial of a Deed that places John Swayne and his wife, Mary Cecilia in Carley's Bridge (just outside of Enniscorthy) in 1832(Is there anyway i can get a Copy of that please? Having 2 John Swaynes Married to The Daughters of Rev John Clendinnen throwing me for a Sixer Were they Cousins? as One was Listed as a Yeoman and One Listed as a Merchant on the Girls Marriage Certs (which i have copies of)u also mentioned they had a Son Wiliam Middleton Swayne?? Who was the Mother?
Have used different Spellings with these Swaynes too Have u Found anything at all re Samuel Alexander Swayne? I would love to Find the Marriage of Cecilia(Annie) Clendinnen and John Swayne But no luck yet
Will keep Looking
Regards
Cathy:)
I'm confused. Where are you getting that there were two different John Swaynes that were married to daughters of John Clendinnen?
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I'm going to try to clear up some confusion, and I apologize that this is going to be long. First of all, prior to 1842, no marriages were allowed in the Methodist church, so people had to get married in Church of Ireland churches. Some Methodists allowed baptisms early on, but not all. Baptismal records for Methodists are few and far between early on and they are generally not online. Which means you'd have to visit an archives somewhere to find these records or hire someone to do it. The records I have are mainly from what I can find online and some are from another researcher collecting those records when they visited the RCB at Dublin a few years ago. This researcher collected any Swayne records they could in certain parishes that were of interest to them and to myself. Not all parish records were looked through because of lack of time and generally speaking, they are transcripts not copies of the records. Having said that, this is what I have and keep in mind I have not done a great deal of research of the Clendinnens, but only as they connect to the Swaynes.
John Clendinnen married Mary Ann Ellis in the Diocese of Kildare in 1802. This record is available here - http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/dm/IRE_DIOC_007246535_00057.pdf This record is just a book of Marriage License Bonds and not the actual marriage record. If those records do exist, they are not online and would have to be searched for at the RCB in Dublin.
I do not have birth/baptismal records for any of their children and I do not have a death record for Mary Ann. There are other records that state the two sons I have in my tree (John and William) were born in County Cork. I have no further information on them until they married. I have no further information on whether or not John and Mary Ann had any other children besides those two.
John Clendinnen married Mary Charlotte Robson in the Diocese of Ossory in 1813. Here is that record - http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/dm/IRE_DIOC_007246537_00138.pdf. This record also includes Mary Charlotte Crane marrying Middleton Robson in 1797 and Mary Cecilia Robson marrying John Swayne in 1818.
I have no records for any children they might have had. The Gorey parish records don't start until 1827 and the first Clendinnen in those records is a grandson named Joseph born in 1828. The Newtonbarry parish records are available online at the RCB (google Anglican Record Project). There are a few other parishes available as well. The only Clendinnen record in the Newtonbarry parish records is William's marriage to Lydia Deaker.
Middleton Robson and Mary Charlotte Crane were married in the Diocese of Ossory in 1797. Middleton Robson died in 1798 on Wexford Bridge. Mary Charlotte Robson then married John Clendinnen in 1813. It is unknown if they themselves had children. What I have right now is that John Clendinnen had two children with his first wife, Mary Ann Ellis, and Mary Charlotte Crane had one child with her first husband, Middleton Robson. It's possible there were other children, I just don't have records for them at this time. Mary Cecilia was John Clendinnen's step daughter, not his daughter and I have no records that state he had any biological daughters at all.
I do have the transcript of John Swayne and Mary Cecilia Robson's marriage. It states they were both from Newtonbarry and that they married in Enniscorthy on 26 July 1818. They are listed in the Methodist Class books from 1819 to 1831. I have a memorial of a deed that places them in Carley's Bridge in 1832. There aren't any baptismal records for any of their possible children available online. Possible children are Elizabeth, born about 1821, Mary Charlotte born about 1822, William Middleton born about 1825 and Anna Cecelia born about 1825. It's possible they had other children. John Swayne died 27 Aug 1847. I don't have a death record for Mary Cecilia.
I, personally, do not have any records that state what John Swayne's profession was. It is however possible that he was both a yeoman and a merchant. It is also confusing as to why in the announcement for Mary Charlotte Swayne's married to Thomas Brend that she is referred to as John Clendinnen's niece. I don't have an answer for that.
I have also realized that many researchers appear to have Mary Ann Ellis and Mary Charlotte Crane/Robson confused and/or combined. They also appear to have placed Anna Cecilia Swayne as their daughter and not their grand-daughter, which is why there is confusion about "Cecilia Clendinnen". This is why it's really important to take what other people have in their trees with a grain of salt. Many people get so far into something and then don't do follow up. I think this is also why there is confusion about a son named Samuel, who I haven't found any records of. The person that put them in their tree cites no sources of where this son was supposedly born. I would suggest you ignore what other people have in their trees unless they have a record to back it up and in this case, they don't.
I hope this has cleared up some confusion.
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Hi DRL
Wow thanks For all That Info Much Appreciated Yes U have to Watch some of those Trees on Ancestry etc As u find many without Sources Etc etc Will Have to Recheck My Tree And Sort some out Myself As People Tend to Copycat Other Trees
The one now Im interested in is
I have no records for any children they might have had. The Gorey parish records don't start until 1827 and the first Clendinnen in those records is a grandson named Joseph born in 1828
So thats Joseph Clendinnen???Who were His Grandparents?? As Joseph is a Name quite Common in our Clendinnen Lines Wonder who his Parents were?? I do have a Joseph Clendinnen Born 1838 Died 1838 Possibly soon aftrer Birth Parents William Clendinnen and Lydia Deaker They did have another son Called Joseph George Clendinnen Born 1844 Died 1895 In England
But u are so Right Its all About Sources For Records, Certs Etc
Thanks Again For all Your Help Cheers
Regards
Cathy:)
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Hi DRL
Wow thanks For all That Info Much Appreciated Yes U have to Watch some of those Trees on Ancestry etc As u find many without Sources Etc etc Will Have to Recheck My Tree And Sort some out Myself As People Tend to Copycat Other Trees
The one now Im interested in is
I have no records for any children they might have had. The Gorey parish records don't start until 1827 and the first Clendinnen in those records is a grandson named Joseph born in 1828
So thats Joseph Clendinnen???Who were His Grandparents?? As Joseph is a Name quite Common in our Clendinnen Lines Wonder who his Parents were?? I do have a Joseph Clendinnen Born 1838 Died 1838 Possibly soon aftrer Birth Parents William Clendinnen and Lydia Deaker They did have another son Called Joseph George Clendinnen Born 1844 Died 1895 In England
But u are so Right Its all About Sources For Records, Certs Etc
Thanks Again For all Your Help Cheers
Regards
Cathy:)
This Joseph Clendinnen's parents were John Clendinnen and Ann Green. He was born 18 Feb 1828 and baptized 9 Mar 1828.
For the same parents, I also have John born 25 Feb 1829 and baptized 4 Mar 1829. Frances born 7 Sept 1830 and baptized 5th Oct 1830 and died 19 May 1842, Mary Charlotte born 6 Nov 1836 and baptized on 1st Jan 1837, Isabella born 21st Dec 1838 and baptized on 13th Feb 1839, Frances (named for elder sister who died) born 19 Nov 1842 and baptized on 5th Dec 1842.