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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: 19cats on Saturday 24 March 12 13:21 GMT (UK)
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Wondering if the house my great-grandfather Patrick Preston lived in still exists. He and his wife Mary rented from Charles Gardiner. The location would be somewhere within plots 7, 8 and 9 on Griffiths Valuation, Knockaun, County Mayo. As nearly as I can tell, the property would have been southeast of Downpatrick Head. They lived in house number one in the area in the 1911 census and also had a cow building and a stable.
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The numbers on the census dont help with the location, but the Griffith's plot number and map should..
Can you confirm the first name - I dont see a Patrick Preston in Kilbride civil parish ?
Shane
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found a Michael Preston at Knockaun townland on Griffith's - dated 1856. He's the one with sites 7,8 and 9
S.
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Based on the Griffith's returns the house Michael Preston lived in was somewhere in site 9 since sites 7 & 8 are listed as just land, although the house is not shown on the maps on AskAboutIreland. These maps date from slightly later, so sometimes the sites change.
The closest buildings seem to be those in sites 11 and 7 (where the return indicated there's just land...) - so maybe the house was one of these.
There are some buildings at the same location shown on the OSI maps that might be worth checking. See : 'Park', Knockaun (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,512378,841357,6,9) There's no sign if this small road on Google Maps..
Shane
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Thanks for the replies and especially thanks for the link to the ordinance map. I'm fairly certain that Michael Preston was Patrick's father. Patrick's elder son, Michael, was my grand uncle. Also, the Valuation lists Gardiner as the landlord for Michael and I know that Charles Gardiner was Patrick's landlord.
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Shane,
Would you have any idea where I could find "Park" on a "real" map? I've tried to look on Google Earth. I was hoping perhaps the coordinates on the ordnance map related to specific locations.
Thank you,
Pat
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The small road that runs past Park is not included on Google maps - but you can see it on the modern version of the OSI map. This is the option labelled - 'Street Map Beta'
see : Park / Knockaun (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,512378,841357,6,3) (Modern view)
you can also select an aerial view using the 'Ortho' views :
Park / Knockaun (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,512378,841357,6,0) (2005)
This is the equivalent view on Google satellite, which does show the small road/driveway :
Park / Knockaun (http://www.google.ie/maps?ll=54.313031,-9.346962&spn=0.007022,0.0109&hnear=Dublin,+County+Dublin&t=h&z=16)
Shane
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Shane,
Thank you for the information. When I get home tonight, I'll check these out.
Pat
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the full coordinates for the location are :
Lat = 54 degrees, 18.8 minutes North
Long = 9 degrees, 20.8 minutes West
(or decimal 54.313181,-9.346558)
S.
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Is there any way to determine if one of these is the original Preston homestead? The one on the right looks like a possibility even though it doesn't have a thatched roof since presumably the roof would have been replaced with more modern materials. I work for the Recorder of Deeds and know how to trace properties back in this country, but don't know how Irish property records are kept.
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If you have the household on Griffith's then you can trace the property forward using the Revision books also known as the Cancelled land books. Most of these are held in the Valuation office in Dublin (Irish Life building).
The format is similar to Griffith's with occupant and immediate landlord, but each time's there's a change in either, the older record is crossed out and the new details are added in a different coloured ink. Every so often a new volume is started and the the latest details are transferred. The previous volume is then 'cancelled'. These books usually cover up the the 1970s or so.
The National Library has better maps on internal PCs to go with Griffiths - you might be able to establish where the building was on these. They have an arrangement with Origins Network who scanned the returns and maps.
Shane
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sorry - just spotted that you are in the US, so neither of those resources would be possible for you to access.
The problem with the Griffith Maps on AskAboutIreland is that they are not from the same timeframe as the valuation - so it's not possible to be certain about the location of a property or building, or even if it still existed by the time those maps were created.
S.
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A few years ago, I contacted the Land Registry Office (think that was it) in Dublin and, for a reasonable fee, I was sent copies of the records as outlined by Shane.
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Thank you for the information. I'll check out the Land Registry.
Pat
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a sample image from the cancelled Land Books held by the Valuation Office (http://www.valoff.ie/). The books are by Electoral District (DED) and within these have sections for each townland. There are a number of volumes for each DED, each covering about 10 years.
(http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396930.0;id=147530)
Shane
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Great link! It looks as though maps will be coming online for the area in the future.
Pat